Pro Evolution Soccer 2012

I have only played on the new "tele broadcast" camera, the player graphics look good on them and i have it completely zoomed out as well.

Mockney, how many games have you tried with the Demo and be honest?

First game i didn't feel that much different, after playing 9 games now - i can see there have been a lot of tweaks in each department that makes it a bit better in each aspect than Fifa 11 (once again imo)
 
I quite liked the first demo to be honest in terms of the general feel and control. Only issue is it didn't solve the biggest problem of the PES 2011 which was that you could still easily without any problems hold on to the ball for over 65 per cent of the game every game and which team you chose to do so was almost irrelevant.

I'm not downloading a revised demo to find that out. I'll be getting the final version anyway.
 
Red Pavan said:
I have only played on the new "tele broadcast" camera, the player graphics look good on them and i have it completely zoomed out as well.

Mockney, how many games have you tried with the Demo and be honest?

First game i didn't feel that much different, after playing 9 games now - i can see there have been a lot of tweaks in each department that makes it a bit better in each aspect than Fifa 11 (once again imo)
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Well of course it's a bit better than FIFA11. It's be an absolute travesty if it wasn't at the very least a bit better than FIFA11. That's the minimum I'd expect from a new game. The point being, why should I shell out close to £50 in some cases to get something only a bit better than something I've already got, and that I've been buying every year? When I could spend that money on a game that is actually completely different from it's last installment, like an Uncharted or a Modern Warfare? It's just "doing the bare minimum" IMO to justify a yearly release and not just an updated teams & kits patch. It could, and should, be much better than FIFA11. What have they been doing for a year?

I've played about 7 or 8 against the computer and 3 against my flatmate. Against the CPU I've noticed quite a few things that are improved yes -Through passing and first time shooting to name but two ones I've liked. Not sold on the defending yet because it's making it more difficult, and as such, I'm having to get used to it a bit first. But it's getting used to the difficulty and a certain way of positioning (a bit like playing an incredibly good opponent in FIFA11) it's not changing the way I'm approaching attacking at all, which, if I'm honest is what I, and probably most people, want to do in this game.

Against my flatmate, it was pretty much the same as playing 11. Obviously, also, IMO.

Incidentally, this is in the wrong thread Pav.
 
That video pissed the hell out of me. Haven't played the demo since.
 
The video plays after I've had a game, which isn't too bad as I just go to the dashboard each time. I'm liking the demo so far after a few games.
 
I prefer it to FIFA. Even if the ball does appear glued to your foot at times. And despite the fact that I just lost to fecking Rangers.
 
First impressions the gameplay pisses all over Fifa from close proximity,mouth wide open.

Very fun. Pes have gone back to the basics of being fun, cutting out the gayness.

Shocking atmosphere which is integral to all PES games though.
 
Can anyone else not score a goal in this? 25 minutes in, all against Rangers, and I can't score.
 
The drought is over. 2 nil after 20 minutes. I should have chosen to play against Spuds sooner. :lol:
 
Apparently you can stop the video from appearing after you've watched it once. Not sure how though.

Also I really like this game. With the full game I can see it being a grower. The AI really is fantastic.
 
Keepers are still fecking shit.

I've been saying this is a decent game since the first demo. No one fecking listens to me.
 
I don't think it pisses over FIFA either, but it is more interesting than FIFA, by virtue of being different from something I've been playing for about 3 years now.
 
The goalies are shit. And I still can't score against Rangers.
 
I got PES11 last year and ended up thinking it was pretty bad to be honest. Although I did get quite addicted to the online play and building a team, entering tournaments. I thought they did that really well. I might try it again this year anyway.
 
Brophs said:
Apparently you can stop the video from appearing after you've watched it once. Not sure how though.

Also I really like this game. With the full game I can see it being a grower. The AI really is fantastic.
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Is it easy to keep the ball for Barcelona-esque proportions game after game or have they made that harder?
 
philipb231190 said:
I got PES11 last year and ended up thinking it was pretty bad to be honest. Although I did get quite addicted to the online play and building a team, entering tournaments. I thought they did that really well. I might try it again this year anyway.
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I bought it as well. It was shitty. This is far better.
 
philipb231190 said:
I got PES11 last year and ended up thinking it was pretty bad to be honest. Although I did get quite addicted to the online play and building a team, entering tournaments. I thought they did that really well. I might try it again this year anyway.
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I got quite addicted to making characters from cheesy 80s action movies into an unbeatable team..Then my playstation broke, got replaced, but without any of the saved team data, and I never played it again.

philipb231190 said:
And I thought the ball felt and sounded like you were booting a rock.
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I hate that. It's still there. I'd like to know how they make that sound effect, cos it sounds like nothing remotely like kicking a ball. Unless the ball was wooden, and it was kicked with a hammer.
 
:lol: Do you any pics of these characters?

I'll probably rent it first. Why the feck do they make it sound like that? I know it's quite a small detail but considering you hear it in a match hundreds of times it gets annoying quite quickly.
 
I might just submit that exact same article again this year. With minor edits. I think I'll get away with it.
 
Pleasantly surprised by this, plays great, and can possibly see me playing more than Fifa. Sort the fecking puns out though Ffs! There's no atmosphere at all....
 
It's a lot better than the first demo, but was still a bit last yeary for me. In fact very last yeary.

Impossible to play neat one touch passing in close proximity, 90 degree robot dance turns, unnecessary bicycle kicks, rocket corners, rocket shots, rocket passes, goalkeepers "diving" by just falling to the floor on either side as the ball flies insatisfyingly into the net. It's all still there.

The AI is much better though. Rangers kept hoofing the ball and trying to win knock downs with players making 2nd man runs.
 
Mockney said:
Well, as DFresh pointed out, the defending's harder. And that's what we all wanted from football games this year isn't it?...Oh if I had a penny for every time I'd thought "I wish they'd re-make FIFA11, but this time make it really hard to defend"
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It makes the game more of a challenge, takes away auto-pilot defending and should mean its easier to expose players who clearly arent as good as you are. Getting rid of the lazy defending system was always going to be a good idea. Really if you only need to brainlessly keep your fingers down on a couple of buttons to defend, you're more or less only playing half a game of football because you only need to think when attacking, not defending
 
I played the Fifa demo last night and was wondering what on earth everyone was going on about. It seemed EXACTLY the same as Fifa 11 (though admittedly I didn't play Fifa 11 that much so wouldn't notice subtle differences). Then my brother pointed out that you can no longer defend just by holding the "pressurise" button or something.

I never knew you could do that anyway. That's great. They've overhauled the game into a new one by getting rid of a control which I never used in the first place.
 
noodlehair said:
I played the Fifa demo last night and was wondering what on earth everyone was going on about. It seemed EXACTLY the same as Fifa 11 (though admittedly I didn't play Fifa 11 that much so wouldn't notice subtle differences). Then my brother pointed out that you can no longer defend just by holding the "pressurise" button or something.

I never knew you could do that anyway. That's great. They've overhauled the game into a new one by getting rid of a control which I never used in the first place.
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Well not everything can be tailored to those who choose whether the game is good or not after about 8 minutes of playing it and then refuse to play it again.

Ultimately you arent going to learn how to play a game with even a decent amount of depth in that time and you certainly arent going to notice any intricacies of a game.

Pressuring became a clearly advantageous tactic early on so people started to abuse it. Changing this defensive system so you have to stay awake when defending represents a departure from the way both games have been in the past couple of editions. And as someone who wants to learn how to play a game and not intuitively be able to do everything and more right from the start, I think its a good move.

Whether they've got it balanced entirely correctly to make it feel like real football is another question. We wont know till we've had time to perfect the tools we've been given to defend with. After a while we'll discover the best way to do it and how effective it can be overall
 
So, Pro Evo Demo part 2

Stupid non-game footage video at the beginning. Then it went into the new features in-game video, and it made me laugh that they are adding the ability to control an off the ball player like Fifa had almost 10 years ago. Dont get me wrong, both games copy each others ideas and Fifa are still adding things that Pro Evo brought to the table. But ideas that are from such a long time ago in a series that were ultimately taken out of the game? Seems a bit odd. Oh and the video is finally done, good god...

Time to play. I forgot to change the difficulty like last time so I'm in a match on the default settings again, instantly able to pass the ball around like nobody's business and make technically difficult passing buildups come to life with a few easy button presses. Gonna get out and put it on a harder difficulty, this cant possibly be on anything above amateur...

Whats this stupid video after I quit the game? Phew this one was only like 30 seconds. Had me there...

Wait, the game was on the second highest setting? Are you kidding? It starts on Pro? Well now I put it onto top player. Lets go back into a match

Straight away my pass and sometimes L1+pass for some extra movement mix-up is foxing the cpu. I plot about outside the box dangerously and win a freekick. My first freekick in PES is fired a good yard or so over the bar with Robben. Not a bad try

Spurs have an attack and I win the ball back half way into my own half. Pass, pass, pass and then I have a run into the box with Gomez, go past a player and then another player clearly brings him down but the ref doesnt give anything

I'm still getting used to the defending having been playing the fifa demo recently and I was playing on classic PES controls so was working out what button does what when I dont have the ball, and Bale scores on a rebound. Found the slide tackle button though

Ribery has a drive and forces whoever Spurs starting keeper in this to tip over the bar for a corner. Oh its Gomes, he caught my header

Defending is easy now, just holding down sprint, x and square to auto-close and call a team mate. Now and then I randomly give away a freekick

Gomes is forced to tip another over the bar this time from Sweinsteiger and I overhit my corner and it goes out

At this point the only part I dont feel Ive got to a good level yet is dribbling at the edge of the box. When its crowded there its easy to keep the ball and all but to make actual inroads and create shooting oppertunities, I dont feel like I've mastered it yet. Done it a couple of times, failed a couple of others. Will try that more in second half

Im winning absolutely everything in the air with rapid pressing of x. Holding L2 in tight areas is helping me keep the ball

Gomes tips another shot onto the post

A few good crosses into the box from the right and this time Mario Gomez gets a good header and Gomes saves it high into the air. As it comes down on the left Krancar controls on his chest, tries to pass it off the line but somehow the ball goes 3 yards to his left towards Gomes' feet. He saves it with his feet and then tries to pounce on it with his hands. At the same time Krancar tries to hook it off the line again. The ball bounces off Gomes and a yard or so over the line. Then magically pings back into his arms like he caught it and now hes laying down on it like he saved it.

Well I was given the goal and I'm now watching the replay. So hard luck Gomes, it was strange and poorly animated but one way or another your clown tendancies have made it into the demo and I've seen it the first game I played. Weird stuff

First game finishes and my honest impression was that while there was nothing to be excited about it was okay and I'd play it again. But the only area where I feel I need to improve to be beating teams on the highest difficulty already, is in my dribbling. As there were times I was dribbling forward with the normal sprint into space, but I dont know how to change it up with a longer stride or something to go past a player trying to catch up. Something like Fifa's right stick flick. I hope I missed this part and Pro Evo has something to change pace on a dribble like that. Any advice?
 
Think you press R1 + R2 at the same time at an angle (sorry for the description, I'm not in front of the game).
 
PES had the ability to knock the ball further into space since it's PS2 incarnation. It was pressing forward twice then and pressing R1 twice now.
 
In the old games it was R1 (sprint) and R2 to do a big stride. I obviously tried that straight away but nothing was happening.

Gonna try pressing R1 twice and see if its the same
 
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