Prince Philip Dead | Ceremonial Funeral to take place on Saturday 17th April | Prince Andrew is NOT a pedophile

Pogue Mahone said:
I do think it’s mental. I’m just commenting on this weird binary approach we’re supposed to have to people in the public eye. I know very little about DMX as a person. I didn’t feel the need to slag him off or express remorse when he died. So I didn’t post in his thread. I don’t know Prince Philip much better. The over the top response to his death by the uk media (and some members of the public) is completely mad - and worthy of discussion - but I’m not going to crack a funny about him dying either.

And believe me, as an Irish man, I have more reasons than most to rejoice at the decline of a British institution.
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I think there maybe a little closet royalist in everyone. Whenever situations like this occur, the closet royalist isn't sure how to respond. I can understand your curiosity.
We're all brought up to respect our queen, but most in reality don't give a shit. At Charles and Dianna's wedding, I went to the fair ground with my mates (free rides). Didn't care about the other marriage either.
Showed no interest in the kids weddings, apart from the day off. And have never cared about jubilees etc. However, Dianna's death was so hyped by the media, I went to Buckingham palace a few days after to try to understand why people were so overcome with emotion, when I felt nothing. Now that Phillip has popped his clogs, again I feel nothing. It is remarkable how people are stirred whenever jubilance and sorrow find the royal family. I don't know what it is. Inner nationalistic pride? A sense that the nation is somehow unified by the royal family, as though we're all related somehow through them. When they hurt we hurt, or when they're joyous we should be. I think the institution is very good for the country, but on a personal level they mean very little to me.
The affect of the royal family on people is a worthy debate I think.
 
11101 said:
I'm not totally convinced he was a racist old bloke. His comment over the years have come from a general belief that he is better than everybody else, not specific to race or anything else. He looks down equally on everybody.
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This literally reminded me of one of the most derogatory monologues ever filmed. So I would say that's an apt description.

 
It's always sad when a very wealthy old guy that came across as an arrogant racist dies.

It's a tragedy and well deserving of this mental response from the media.
 
Pogue is spot on about DMX vs Prince Phil.

Crack a joke in this thread and you’re a hero, do likewise in the rapper’s and you’re likely to be run off the Caf.

As an aside, the press coverage of Prince Phil’s death is sycophantic as feck, but they do have this weird obsession with the Royals so we shouldn’t be surprised.

I do think the decent thing would be to give us a Bank Holiday, and let everyone drink inside pubs.
 
Feed Me said:
Pogue is spot on about DMX vs Prince Phil.

Crack a joke in this thread and you’re a hero, do likewise in the rapper’s and you’re likely to be run off the Caf.

As an aside, the press coverage of Prince Phil’s death is sycophantic as feck, but they do have this weird obsession with the Royals so we shouldn’t be surprised.

I do think the decent thing would be to give us a Bank Holiday, and let everyone drink inside pubs.
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The rappers?
 
Maybe we should gather a list of all our racing parents/grandparents that say racist, bigoted things on occasion, then we can collectively go shit on their graves when they die.
 
Moby said:
This literally reminded me of one of the most derogatory monologues ever filmed. So I would say that's an apt description.

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I thought of that scene as I wrote it, it fits him well. He didnt look down on black people or anybody else specifically. He looked down on everybody, so I'm not sure that makes him a racist. Just an arsehole.
 
esmufc07 said:
DMX was a cnut too.
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His name was a bit of a rip off really. A DMX was a oberheim drum machine used heavily within hip hop in the 80s. It's iconic, but not like the 808.
A legendary session bassist (David Reeves Jr) made several hip hop electro jams in the mid 80s, under the name Davy DMX.
 
11101 said:
I thought of that scene as I wrote it, it fits him well. He didnt look down on black people or anybody else specifically. He looked down on everybody, so I'm not sure that makes him a racist. Just an arsehole.
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A cnut of the highest order, one might say.
 
Feed Me said:
Pogue is spot on about DMX vs Prince Phil.

Crack a joke in this thread and you’re a hero, do likewise in the rapper’s and you’re likely to be run off the Caf.

As an aside, the press coverage of Prince Phil’s death is sycophantic as feck, but they do have this weird obsession with the Royals so we shouldn’t be surprised.

I do think the decent thing would be to give us a Bank Holiday, and let everyone drink inside pubs.
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Probably due to the fact DMX fans would have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours listening to his music, potentially going to see him in concert etc etc.

I’d be willing to bet a huge amount of people that are mourning Phillip have never even watched him speak or no much about him at all, bar the obvious. There’s no actual sense of connection, he’s just married to the queen and therefore they feel the need to be sad.
 
Penna said:
I think it's better to look at a life in its entirety (I don't mean Colin's). He did good things, he did bad things. He was a product of his very unsettled upbringing and the strange world that European aristocracy inhabited many decades ago. However, his primary job was to support the Queen and he appears to have done that pretty well.
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You couldn't pay me enough to keep making public appearances when I'm 97. I don't care if I live in one of my umpteen palaces or a one bedroom cottage beside a landfill. If I make it to 90+ I'm spending my days shouting at people through my window whilst watching Antiques Roadshow.
 
Pexbo said:
I don’t think it’s binary though. Nobody has called him Hitler. The criticisms have been borne out of frustration at the ridiculous sycophantic coverage that has painted him as some sort of saintly figure. As I said above, he could by all accounts be a bit of a tosser and I personally don’t see anything wrong with highlighting that rather than expect everyone to give him a glowing tribute or keep their mouth shut. There’s no close friends or relatives on here so people need to stop being so precious about it and getting offended for the sake of getting offended which is ironic when you consider which people it is that are getting offended. It’s PC gone mad I tell you.
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On bolded: the PC brigade on the left has its issues, but for some people it's always 'PC gone mad' when a leftie tries to censor something yet (for whatever reason) it's 'no decorum' when the same leftie is exercising his free speech by making a witty remark about him upon the news of his death. Some of the stuff being said on this thread have admittedly been nasty for the sake of it and personally I'm not a fan of this, but I dunno, at least try to be a bit consistent.
 
Dan_F said:
Probably due to the fact DMX fans would have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours listening to his music, potentially going to see him in concert etc etc.

I’d be willing to bet a huge amount of people that are mourning Phillip have never even watched him speak or no much about him at all, bar the obvious. There’s no actual sense of connection, he’s just married to the queen and therefore they feel the need to be sad.
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I reckon The Crown on Netflix has made millions more people feel a connection to him than would otherwise.

To Prince Philip that is. Not DMX.

My missus tried to make me watch it. Couldn’t hack it at all.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I reckon The Crown on Netflix has made millions more people feel a connection to him than would otherwise.

To Prince Philip that is. Not DMX.

My missus tried to make me watch it. Couldn’t hack it at all.
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Yeah that’s true, I’d forgotten about that, due to the fact I wouldn’t go anywhere near it. I mean it’s a weird connection, given it’s an actor and lots of the storylines are apparently made up, but I’m sure you’re right.
 
Feed Me said:
How come?

I know little of his backstory, so genuine question.

I understand he was a drug addict, but that alone doesn’t make him a cnut.
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Animal abuse? Think that alone would qualify him as a cnut in most people’s books. Mine certainly
 
Feed Me said:
How come?

I know little of his backstory, so genuine question.

I understand he was a drug addict, but that alone doesn’t make him a cnut.
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He has some overtly homophobic lyrics. But homophobia tends to get a free pass in hip hop for some reason.

I like some of his music, but I'm equally indifferent to his passing as I am Philip's. It's perhaps a little strange that Philip is getting dragged for being a bigot, but DMX isn't (or certainly to a lesser degree anyway).

He seems to have multiple charges for animal cruelty too. There was a lot of reports at the time that it involved dog fighting, but I don't know if that was ever proven.
 
Dan_F said:
Probably due to the fact DMX fans would have spent hundreds and hundreds of hours listening to his music, potentially going to see him in concert etc etc.

I’d be willing to bet a huge amount of people that are mourning Phillip have never even watched him speak or no much about him at all, bar the obvious. There’s no actual sense of connection, he’s just married to the queen and therefore they feel the need to be sad.
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Rightly or wrongly a lot of people do have a strong connection to the Royals, Prince Phillip included, so I‘m not sure where you’ve got that idea from.

If you look at all the tributes from leaders across the world and how this has made front pages across the world it does highlight the unique cultural power of the Royals and their importance to the UK as a soft power brand. There is at least some logic in the OTT coverage.

That said, I’m doing my best to avoid it all.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Look, ultimately a man has died and his family will be absolutely devastated. There will obviously be a lot of observers who will be upset by the news. I completely respect that. I wish his family every blessing I can, especially the Queen who has lost the love of her life.

But the absolutely pathetic, opportunistic, faux despair being pedalled by the mass media, and politicians using his death as a political football to once again try and force everyone into being overcome with grief, lest they be accused of being a terrible uncaring human being, is what pisses me off. Fair enough, the jokes when the body is "still warm" are a bit on the nose, but what about folk like Boris using it as an opportunity to stand by a grand lectern showing the cameras how prime ministerial he is? There's probably hundreds of cnuts firing up the printing presses for tomorrow's Special Memorial Edition front pages, and a hundred more cnuts adding the finishing touches to the new shirts and tea cup sets that they can't wait to see sell out on their website. Everyone is at it.

That we're meant to be crying on the streets, or waving flags for a week of national mourning, or that our lives have to be put on hold, or anything because someone who none of us actually know - when right now there's probably a young child dying after having the shit kicked out of them by an abusive parent and someone who had their disability benefits stripped off them by an uncaring system od'ing in their bathtub - is fecking appalling and just a reminder that people in general don't really give a feck when someone they don't know dies. Not unless there's something they can get out of it, such as having people see how sad they look as they stand outside the palace holding their candles in full view of the international press.
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Nailed it mate.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
His name was a bit of a rip off really. A DMX was a oberheim drum machine used heavily within hip hop in the 80s. It's iconic, but not like the 808.
A legendary session bassist (David Reeves Jr) made several hip hop electro jams in the mid 80s, under the name Davy DMX.
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That's not where he got his name from. He was originally called Dark Man X but abbreviated it to DMX.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Rightly or wrongly a lot of people do have a strong connection to the Royals, Prince Phillip included, so I‘m not sure where you’ve got that idea from.

If you look at all the tributes from leaders across the world and how this has made front pages across the world it does highlight the unique cultural power of the Royals and their importance to the UK as a soft power brand. There is at least some logic in the OTT coverage.

That said, I’m doing my best to avoid it all.
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I’m well aware there’s plenty of people that feel a connection to the royals. There will be a large amount of, mainly younger people, who would have probably never heard him (actually him, not in the crown) talk, until they watched any of the programmes yesterday.

I’m someone who actively dislikes the royals, so I’m probably just seeing it from my point of view. Like you, I’d rather just ignore it, not even sure why I opened the thread :lol:
 
11101 said:
I'm not totally convinced he was a racist old bloke. His comment over the years have come from a general belief that he is better than everybody else, not specific to race or anything else. He looks down equally on everybody.

That's why I've never liked him. We are all fawning over his death but he couldn't give a shit about any of us.
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While I understand the point you're trying to make, that certainly doesn't mean he wasn't racist.

OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
He has some overtly homophobic lyrics. But homophobia tends to get a free pass in hip hop for some reason.

I like some of his music, but I'm equally indifferent to his passing as I am Philip's. It's perhaps a little strange that Philip is getting dragged for being a bigot, but DMX isn't (or certainly to a lesser degree anyway).

He seems to have multiple charges for animal cruelty too. There was a lot of reports at the time that it involved dog fighting, but I don't know if that was ever proven.
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DMX definitely wasn't a great person, but surely you can see the difference between someone who grew up in abject poverty, was beaten badly as a child, lived in boys homes and probably received very little education, to a literal prince?
 
Harry Harries said:
That's not where he got his name from. He was originally called Dark Man X but abbreviated it to DMX.
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No he later came up with the name "Dark Man X". Obviously it was a little uncool later in life to have a name in reference to a dated sounding drum machine.
It was the drum machine of choice he used when getting started. I mean, seriously, Dark Man X is a little lame, unless you're force by the abbreviation already established.

Think of any?
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Unpopular opinion on here, but I just don't see it like this at all, not sure many sane people do either.
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In an age where people fall over themselves to be offended by everything, and then I get called insane for not finding the crap posts on this subject funny, and thinking it's maybe in slightly bad taste, odd.
 
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He wasn't racist by 1960s standards but he was a racist by 2020s standards.

I've got a feeling that by the 2060s, things will have come full circle with it being acceptable again to joke about racial/ableist differences as long as there's no malice or discrimination of opportunity behind the sentiment (much in the same way you can take the piss out of gingers for having no souls).

Civil Rights were about opposing hatred that came along with the concepts of racial superiority. Since then, the discourse has progressed into an Identity Politics where any and all aspects of individual's identity has become almost sacrosanct. It was an understandable and necessary evolution in order to correct for extreme prejudices in the opposite direction, so in that respect I support them and adhere to them. But I don't think it's sustainable in the long run (at least not in its present day form). All of which means I don't think it's fair to hammer an old bloke almost a century old for failing to keep up with the latest incarnation of Political Correctness.
 
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vidic blood & sand said:
No he later came up with the name "Dark Man X". Obviously it was a little uncool later in life to have a name in reference to a dated sounding drum machine.
It was the drum machine of choice he used when getting started. I mean, seriously, Dark Man X is a little lame, unless you're force by the abbreviation already established.

Think of any?
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Interesting, I didn't know that. I like Dark Man X though! It sounds like a wrestler's name from one of those weird, underground wrestling promotions.
 
11101 said:
He looks down equally on everybody
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That's inherent to being a royal, how can you even accept the role if you don't believe that.

I think hating royals (and other classes such as billionaires) requires no further justification. Neither should have a place in modern society.
 
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