That's why we started with Rafael and Park (not Pogba) in central midfield against Blackburn.So rooney as gk > amos?
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We can always Play nani there. After all hes a more experienced winger then brady.
Sir Alex praises Jesse Lingard for his hard work and says he has developed a lot recently
Did Alba not start as a winger?
He was a winger who had a couple of chances at left back due to not competing very well with Mata. Mathieu, Valencia's left back, got injured for a long period and so Alba had a consistant spell in the team
It helps that he immediately did a decent job defensively so Valencia werent suffering too hard. We have no idea whatsoever if that'll be the case for Brady. His downsides are a million miles worse than Baines at any price and really Valencia just did it to keep a young talent involved in the team and not want to leave for lack of chances.
Brady is a ferocious tackler, so he certainly has the mentality to be a defender.
Fergie mentioned his tenacity as a reason they're trying him at left back.
Thats more important for a Fletcher type midfielder than for a fullback. If he isnt fairly disciplined positionally then for every nice tackle he makes, he'll be out of position to defend or play people on side all the time.
There was a defender at Valencia like this called Miguel. He was an absolute nightmare but he could tackle
We'll get an idea of what he's capable of at left back during this tour, if it's a disaster then we'll probably sign someone, but personally I hope it works out and Brady is Evra's back up this season.
Sure. Somebody with connections to the club please give them Ekeke's resume. He seems to know more about what Brady's capable of than the gaffer and the youth coaches.
To be honest our staff thought that the likes of Kleberson and Bebe were good enough for United. They are good but far from perfect.
I hope Brady does enough to prove his worth as a backup for the coming season.
The Baines link needs to die..
The Baines link needs to die..
You think coaching is the same as scouting?
I have yet to understand how a preseason game against some random third rated clubs can influence SAF on whether Brady can/cannot act as Evra's cover. I acknowledge that 12-15m on Baines may be over the top, however there are other and better options then relying on some kid whose experience as lb is virtually nil.
If Evra gets injured then we're in serious trouble. To be honest you expect better cover from a big ambitious club then a makeshift winger with little EPL experience.
They are brought by the same people and on the same standard. I can list you various mistakes done from our youth coaches. A classic is to consider Ronnie Wallwork as the next Steve Bruce. Not to forget when we released a kid (for not being good enough) which went on to become England's captain and an important player at Sampdoria (then a top club) and Arsenal.
Mistakes do happen and no one is perfect.
Nobody says that staff can't make mistakes, geez all of us make mistakes or wrong judgment calls in our daily jobs. Point is, I'd rather trust SAF and his staff to get right MORE OFTEN than not, as their track record shows. Also, my comment was in particular trying to point out that Ekeke's decided what Brady's abilities are without seeing him develop or play or train daily. It might of course be an experiment that SAF is doing but then again, I'd make a call for myself once he's played the games on tour.
Also, I don't think Brady will be the more direct backup to Evra, I suspect it will be Evans if we don't sign a LB.
Can you blame him though? We're moving an inexperienced winger to a new position and expect him to cover Evra if shit hits fan. If we cant afford a fullback then it would have been better not to loan Fabio in the first place (and give him more matches).
Evans is no left back and considering our yearly defensive injury crisis, he will be needed somewhere else. Honestly Im sick of seeing United moving players in awkward positions! Occasionally it works (ex Scholes who was moved from forward to CM), but most of the time it hinder players (Ando, Jones and Smith are classic examples). If you need a left back, then you play a left back.
I would mind if SAF decides to rely on Blackett. If he's good enough then he's old enough. But Brady is a winger, he's been groomed as a winger and giving him some random games on the rear flank wont make him a fullback. There are other options, many of whom are not as expensive as 12m rated Baines.
Rio targets 35-game season
Rio Ferdinand believes he can make more than 35 appearances for Manchester United in 2012/13.
Although the defender, currently in South Africa captaining the Reds on the DHL 2012 pre-season tour, admits he's had his fair share of niggles in recent years, he's confident his body can still stand up to the rigors of top-flight football.
Speaking in Durban at a press conference ahead of United's clash with Amazulu FC on Wednesday, Ferdinand praised the Reds' medical staff and refuted claims he's now injury-prone.
"It's been well documented I had injuries over the last few seasons," he said. "But I think last season I played about 35 games for United [he played 38]. I felt I managed myself really well in terms of my back injury, with thanks to the physios and sports science team at United. They helped me through that as well.
"Long may that continue. Hopefully this season I can continue to play a similar amount of games. That would be great."
Indeed, Ferdinand's 38 appearances in 2011/12 was an improvement on his tallies in the two preceding campaigns (29, 21) and makes a mockery of claims that the 33-year-old can't handle life at the top anymore.
He's still one of the best centre-backs in the world... although he has no plans to force his way back into the England set-up following his non-inclusion in Roy Hodgson's squad for last month's European Championships.
"To be honest, I'm not thinking about playing international football," he said. "Manchester United is at the forefront of my mind. It's my club and this is what I love doing. If anything else comes of it then so be it.
"But I don't think about anything except for playing for Manchester United and, hopefully, winning back the league."
Rio is expected to start United's first Tour 2012 fixture on Wednesday when the Reds take on Amazulu FC at Durban's Moses Mabhida stadium. ManUtd.com, MUTV Online and MUTV will have full coverage of the match.
Rio Ferdinand believes he can make more than 35 appearances for Manchester United in 2012/13.
Although the defender, currently in South Africa captaining the Reds on the DHL 2012 pre-season tour, admits he's had his fair share of niggles in recent years, he's confident his body can still stand up to the rigors of top-flight football.
Speaking in Durban at a press conference ahead of United's clash with Amazulu FC on Wednesday, Ferdinand praised the Reds' medical staff and refuted claims he's now injury-prone.
"It's been well documented I had injuries over the last few seasons," he said. "But I think last season I played about 35 games for United [he played 38]. I felt I managed myself really well in terms of my back injury, with thanks to the physios and sports science team at United. They helped me through that as well.
"Long may that continue. Hopefully this season I can continue to play a similar amount of games. That would be great."
Indeed, Ferdinand's 38 appearances in 2011/12 was an improvement on his tallies in the two preceding campaigns (29, 21) and makes a mockery of claims that the 33-year-old can't handle life at the top anymore.
He's still one of the best centre-backs in the world... although he has no plans to force his way back into the England set-up following his non-inclusion in Roy Hodgson's squad for last month's European Championships.
"To be honest, I'm not thinking about playing international football," he said. "Manchester United is at the forefront of my mind. It's my club and this is what I love doing. If anything else comes of it then so be it.
"But I don't think about anything except for playing for Manchester United and, hopefully, winning back the league."
Rio is expected to start United's first Tour 2012 fixture on Wednesday when the Reds take on Amazulu FC at Durban's Moses Mabhida stadium. ManUtd.com, MUTV Online and MUTV will have full coverage of the match.
I think you completely missed the point. I said that he'll need to have decent positioning not just being a tenacious tackler to have the right mentality to be a defender. I wasnt talking about Brady because I dont know about his positioning. I was debating what makes a good mentality for a fullback and tackling isnt most important.
Again, this goes back to having to watch Miguel and debate with Valencia fans who didnt mind him so much because he was "a good one on one defender, can tackle" so they'd ignore all the mistakes he'd make all over the place. To me being a good tackler doesnt make up for being a bad defender
I can blame him though. Sir Alex Ferguson, the most successful manager in the history of British football. Ekeke and devilish, two caftards online ranting about doom and gloom if we don't sign a LB. I'm not saying one can't have an opinion, it is a forum after all and I've got my opinion too but I'm in no position to make a judgement call on Brady...YET!
I think it was right to loan out Fabio so that he gets guaranteed football which he's not guaranteed here. Remember that Fabio was rated higher in terms of potential than Rafael when they got promoted to the 1st team but because of Pat he's not had a chance to develop. Rafael was lucky that Gary was on his last legs so he could make the RB his own. Fabio will be better for it and I suspect it was a very mutual agreement for him to go on loan. Not just the club's choice.
Ok, retract all comments toward what you said, including my post above.
No word on Fryers? I take it he is leaving.
Already gone, I believe. Just working out compensation via tribunal.
It's not the same. Scouts don't have very much to assess on. When buying foreign players, no matter what league you are in, you can never predict how well the player will adjust. Then there are injuries as well. I'm sure you don't fault the scouts or SAF for buying Forlán or Verón as well?
Full back is and odd position. If the lad is disciplined enough it might turn out to be a master stroke. Who knows? I can't see many wingers come through our youth rank in the next few years given what we have there already and how we usually spend on that position. And what better way to test the waters than in the pre-season?
Seems to have vanished, not training at United, nor anyone else it seems.
Don't think he's officially signed with anyone yet. Usually players sign with a club and then it goes to tribunal. Maybe clubs are put off by what they think United will ask for.
Paper talk was that he was going to sign with Spurs, but it's not been announced and he's not been training with them.
I wont say anything about Forlan since I knew little about his time with Indipendiente. However, I followed JSV quite regularly at Lazio and Parma to know that
a) he's injury prone
b) he's not a hardworker/tackler (ie unsuited for our CM)
c) he was never happy to leave the Serie A in the first place and was only going to sign with us because he feared for his career (a long term ban due to the false dual citizenship scandal seemed possible at that time)
In my opinion the scouts messed it up but the main mistake was made by our coaches/management who thought that United needed someone whose better then the best CM of his generation (Paul Scholes).
The full back position requires decent technique, discipline, stamina, defensive skills and great positioning. He needs to know when to defend and when to attack. Brady had never played there but will be expected to step in in that role despite his experience in the EPL AND/OR in that position is close to nil. That's a tough call for the kid.
Let me check. Ah ok I am at Redcafe and not the manager's wank fest RAWK. And please do enlighten us were we said that (bold part)
I dont mind if we send Fabio on loan as long as we provide decent cover for Evra. We dont need to spend 12m on Baines. There are cheaper alternatives around + we can always sign an experienced fullback on free (similar to the Blanc/Larrson). However we need to provide some cover to Evra and that cant be done by an unexperienced winger.
Such as ...
I agree we need experienced cover or even a replacement, but who are these alternatives or magical oldies who have still got it in them to play for United? Let's not cheapen Baines here, he's a very good full back given our options.
The reason why we're sending Fabio out on loan is that he will get some first team experience in the PL, and hopefully will come back and compete with Evra for a spot in the XI rather then just be a backup. We dont need anyone to replace Evra at the moment, but rather have someone who can play at left back in league cup matches, or someone who can be subbed on for the last 20 minutes of a game.
If Fergie and the entire coaching team believes that Brady can be that person while Fabio is out getting his experience somewhere else, who are we to say that it's cant be done? I'm pretty sure that they've seen the player a hell of a lot more then anyone on this forum, and then to argue that something can't be done?
I doubt that we'll go for Baines, as it seems to me that Fergie believes in Fabio and that we only need someone to cover for Evra whilst Fabio is getting some gametime somewhere else. Not someone who'll replace Evra all together and put Fabio even further down the line for a first place spot. We want to give Brady some Premier League experience aswell, and it's obvious that they believe that he's capable of playing left back, so why pay some old guy to do the job that a young, talented player who've been with the club for many years can do?
I am no scout but Im sure that we can find a decent cover for Evra who cost less then 12m. Zambrotta is a free agent btw.
PS I am not cheapening Baines in any way
As I said before, in my opinion, not bringing someone to act as Evra's cover is a mistake. I hope I am wrong about that as I hoped that I was wrong when SAF decided not to add a new CM to last year's team.
But who are we supposed to bring in who'll allow us to give Fabio more gametime in the next few seasons, aswell as blooding in Brady, Blackett and the likes? I'm sure Rafael is more then capable of playing on the left if Evra is injuried and Brady is not capable of stepping up to the task. It's ignorant to think one season at the time in a club like Manchester United, and bringing in someone like Baines or Alba (I would really like to see Alba here though
) would no doubt make us look alot better this season, but it would also set our talents further down the like in terms of progress or chances in the first team (i.e Fabio next season).But who are we supposed to bring in who'll allow us to give Fabio more gametime in the next few seasons, aswell as blooding in Brady, Blackett and the likes? I'm sure Rafael is more then capable of playing on the left if Evra is injuried and Brady is not capable of stepping up to the task. It's ignorant to think one season at the time in a club like Manchester United, and bringing in someone like Baines or Alba (I would really like to see Alba here though
Don't bother, you're 100 percent right.
I mentioned last week Brady could well be used at left wing back. Seen him play there several times for the reserves over the last couple of years and he impressed. I also think he has a far better chance of having a good career here in that position.
Many of the best full backs in the game started off as wingers until their coaches saw something in them that gave them the confidence to move them back.
Also fantastic news that Jesse Lingard has impressed fergie and will get a start. This lad has an awful lot going for him, technical ability, speed, intelligence and a great attitude. When he gets stronger over the next couple of years he will develop into some player.
Many of the best full backs in the game started off as wingers until their coaches saw something in them that gave them the confidence to move them back.
Also fantastic news that Jesse Lingard has impressed fergie and will get a start. This lad has an awful lot going for him, technical ability, speed, intelligence and a great attitude. When he gets stronger over the next couple of years he will develop into some player.
But who are we supposed to bring in who'll allow us to give Fabio more gametime in the next few seasons, aswell as blooding in Brady, Blackett and the likes? I'm sure Rafael is more then capable of playing on the left if Evra is injuried and Brady is not capable of stepping up to the task. It's ignorant to think one season at the time in a club like Manchester United, and bringing in someone like Baines or Alba (I would really like to see Alba here though
Brady is a winger, Blackett is 18 (and ideally will have 1-2 years on loan before being considered as a LB competitor) and Evra is 31 (and showing early signs of decline). If we're signing big (Baines etc) then its evident that United are thinking of getting rid of Evra in the near future. If United are not interested in buying big, then I dont mind that. However, with Fabio's absence we just need some cover for Evra.
Thanks, you've answered devilish for me. I've nothing else to add.
How many of these gentlemen were able to do that by playing some random match at first team level?
Who knows maybe all of them, maybe none, what kind of question is that? They all had to start somewhere, would you rather we trialed out in a PL game were much is at stake?
Saf has obviously seen him play there for the reserves and in training and liked what he saw.
You're just stating the obvious though. You say that we have to bring in a cover for Evra, though you fail to mention anyone who we can bring in without risking the progress of our talents. If Ferguson and his coaching team say that Bradys natural position is at left back, why should we classify him as a winger? We all know that players are being played in more advanced positions early in their career so they can learn the game without having too much defensive responsibilty (i.e Powell at Crewe). If you say that Brady is a winger on the same day that Fergie has stated that they'll look at Brady as a left back, then I know whos opinion I'll listen to (no offense).
Blackett is young for sure, but he'll spend alot more time with the reserves this season and I'm sure he'll learn alot playing against tougher and older players. We've had plenty of players who've played for the first team without going out on loan, so I have no doubts that he'll get a chance if he's able to prove himself in the reserves. Brady has already been playing at the lower levels and thus should be prepared to take another step in terms of development, and why not let him get a shot with us before we write him off? He's a great talent and I'm sure that he'll be able to perform his duties at left back for 20 minutes in the PL, or in a league cup match if needed.
In Italy its common for a winger to move as fullback (different systems which rely on fullbacks to do the work on the flanks). Cicinho, Zambrotta etc. However I can't think of one capable of doing that by playing in the reserves especially when they only got few months to do so (we need Evra's cover NOW)
I have seen him play there for the reserves and he suited the role, im not saying that means he is a certainty to be a success for us in that position, but it does mean its not unusual for him to be deployed there now hes with the first team.
The reserves, training and pre-season friendlies are a good place to start off developing the extra attributes needed to play that position such as positioning , etc. Like I said all have to start somewhere.
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