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Agreed
It should have been a penalty yeah and how many fouls do City need to make to get a yellow? You see, everyone knows how Pep coaches his teams now when it comes to fouling, they are by far the most intimidating to referees. The ref is more eager to discipline other teams for dissent than he is giving yellow to City. There would be no dissent if he did his damn job.
there was no dive... the defender left his leg there and if you do that there's a huge chance you'll give away a penalty
What does it even mean
Yeah agree, sorry I mean more the ‘exaggerated action’ of the player going down. That’s what most are claiming is a dive.
The leg out is the foul for me, followed up with a pull on the shirt. No doubt for me that’s a pen.
But then if the ref goes over and watches it and sees ah I'm wrong pen, or oh, I'm not sure, stick with the decision he made. It shouldn't take more than 1 min for the conversation and a couple of watches.
I just can't wrap my head around how the ref doesn't get a second look at the arsenal one.
It's not about self hating United. I just find it a bit odd that you point to a failure of Liverpool and Chelsea for failing to make a fight of the title race before considering we are considerably worse.
Their way of bullshitting their way out of any tricky decisions
Yes there is a huge chance you'll give away a penalty. But the ref didn't give it. The linesman didn't give it. VAR had to go into slow motion and give it.
And in much the same way, if you kick through a player to get the ball, there's a huge chance you'll give away a penalty. Again, the ref didn't give it. The linesman didn't give it. But VAR didn't do shit.
So as I said - both clear pens. Or at least, both cases need consistency with the ref to go over to the monitor. VAR is meant to be consistent, the same ref has to go and make the final call. They cant decide one is clear and obvious and one wasn't. They were both obvious as feck.
Dunno how, but I never knew Watford also walked out to the Z cars theme
I always thought it was synonymous with Everton
I always thought it was synonymous with Everton
Because it’s rarely pointed out about those 2 while we have thousands of posts pointing out the obvious about Utd? Utd being shit doesn’t make Klopp or Tuchels challenge any less pathetic.
It’s two separate points
You are right about the caf, but that is because we have a bias toward United. So it's not a barometer to measure if a call is right or not.
Anyway it's Arsenal, it suits us. But I think they got fecked today.
I don't care about other posts. I just saw yours blaming other teams for a boring title challenge before looking at our own team contributing to the shit show.
Can't believe you guys think Bernardo didn't dive for that pen. Odegaard did too but it's a bonkers decision to give one and not the other.
Emmanuel Dennis is a menace.
He dived after he was fouled.
If he had stayed on his feet, he wouldn’t have got the foul.
Hope that clears it up!
He does dive but Xhaka is brainless and grabs his shirt, thus giving the officials a decision to make.
Because the pressure on the ref is to then changed his decision (through being asked to review it on screen) even when arguably the ref gave the right decision, which I think he did, not quite enough for a pen.
You would be in a situation where every refs decision is being questioned for what are fundamentally unclear incidents, the default result will be the reversal of whatever decision the ref gave initially. Which isn’t what we need.
It was a pen imo but I've no idea what the Ronaldo bit is all about. You said in a different post that Bernardo didn't dive (not that his shirt wasn't pulled but I think it's clear as day he threw himself to the ground) but you seem to be suggesting Odegaard did or am I misinterpreting that?
Being a foul doesn't exempt it being a dive.
Anyone that has ever played football knows you simply don't go down as easy as that, almost every time a players falls down in the box its because he's diving. A nasty action that should be banned because it's meant to either exaggerate or simulate a contact. But that's another subject my point is you can think there's a foul on Bernardo but can't claim that wasn't a dive IMO.
True but not every shirt pull is done with enough force to take the player off course and make them go down. Obviously Bernardo's been clever and seen a chance to win the pen but he fell in such an unnatural way and I I think referees need to realise sometimes that things played in slow-motion can make things look worse. I don't think the angle of the VAR replay helped at all.
I suppose the weirdest thing is how he gave it but not Odegaard's because for me there wasn't much difference between them.
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But they were the main 2! We know we have been shit. They literally have the quality and the managers to be closer than this. They were being lauded as the best 3 teams in Europe not a month ago.
I’ll go and edit my post
How were they main two that's what I'm confused with right now. We finished 2nd last year, and signed 3 big big players. We were expecting to make a title challenge as much as Tuchel was going into this year. And our level of implosion is worse.
Anyway lets just move on - I see what you're saying generally - the title race sucks and we've all contributed to it.
The Odegaard one, Ederson got the ball through his leg. Bernardo was already diving when he had his shirt pulled. Both could be given, neither could be given. But if one is given the other not, then questions need to be asked.
But anyway, the red card was clear and that was definitely Gabriels fault. We shouldve been able to win this with 11 men, so I'm not too annoyed at the refereeing.
Maybe I need to see the Odegaard one again because it looked like Ederson won the ball fairly. Bernardo was definitely looking for the pen, but Xhaka was stupid enough to give it to him. City were really poor today, while Arsenal were dogged and dangerous at times. Definitely a missed opportunity.
Ederson got the ball so no pen.
Xhaka tripped him and was pulling his shirt. It doesn't matter if Silva dived. He was fouled already.
Both correct.
Yeah that's how I saw it.
Yep. Even if you think he got a stud on it, he's gone through the player first. This angle in particular shows the ref may have made a clear and an obvious error and he should've been told to go look at it on the screen.
They're completely different incidents though aren't they? With Ederson there was a debate over whether he's got the ball and therefore made a legit challenge. With Xhaka, there's no argument that he's made a fair tackle. He's been beaten and made contact with his leg and then tried to rip his shirt off while getting nowhere near the ball.
I think both were pens, but this controversy around Silva's pen is just so bizarre and reeks of victim mentality - it's an absolutely undeniable pen which is why VAR give it even though they hate overturning the on-field decision.
Except the error can't be clear and obvious since the ref can't see this angle. From the back angle it looks like the ball shoots straight away.
This Spurs game is dog shit
Watford are playing like a League 1 team.
How did these cnuts put 4 past us? They can barely pass or control the ball.
How did they miss that takedown in the box on Dier? 
The only thing more boring than this Watford-Spurs game is this Irish co-commentator.
Mad Kane didn't hit the deck there. Arm's all over him.
Tottenham could keep playing like that for 2 hours and they would not score a goal.