"clear and obvious " concept is their get outta jail free card
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Ederson got a touch on the ball first - quite clear even first time round
Lee Dixon thinks it wasnt a penalty
He is having a meltdown on TV
Must be a strange one for him, being a City supporter, but obviously an Arsenal old boy.
Probably old school that wouldn't be a pen, but these days you can't just grapple someone like that.
City did us a huge favour - and doing what we used to. I swear their bench could beat our fist XI
It's upsetting thinking how much Walton must be paid for this guff.
My biases? Its actually better for us that Arsenal lost for top 4 goals and City won for Liverpool's title race.
Getting a slight touch on the ball does not exempt the Ederson from fouling Odeegard. Also Xhakas knee contact isn't enough for a penalty, I don't think the referee saw that, he must have thought the foul was with the leg where there was no contact at all and a clear dive. After making the call and reviewing VAR it's all about saving face and looking for anything to claim you didn't feck up.
As long as the referee's keep deciding by looking at the video instead of VAR directly making the call we'll keep getting biased decisions from them. No one like to admit they feck up, it's human behavior and natural that referees will incline to back up their decision rather than objectively making a call.
It's either a right or wrong decision. This clear and obvious needs to go
got to watch the highlights.
Peter Walton is loses so much credibility in that chair. What's the point if you're just going to always stand by the referree decision every single time. Daft prick.
Not sure what Walton is on about. It’s old clowns like him who are behind the terrible use of VAR in England.
it was two fouls... left his leg there and pulled the shirt
I think he's clearly got his hands tied there. It's obvious he thinks the arsenal one is a penalty
he's as bad a pundit as he was a ref!
You keep saying that, but it was VAR not the ref who gave the penalty for City.
Yeah I want to dodge bullets from Arsenal fans but I think the ref got most of the decisions ok today. VAR was inconsistent, it should have given them a pen first half but I think that's the only overall error aside from Rodri escaping a yellow.
I see them happy that they finally have some "metal" in the team but they are over emotional and its cost them with the red card today, they need calmer heads. They were the better team by far up to that point.
I see them happy that they finally have some "metal" in the team but they are over emotional and its cost them with the red card today, they need calmer heads. They were the better team by far up to that point.
I think if it was just the impact then it would have been debatable decision but Xhaka pulled his shirt as well which made it easy decision in the end.
They showed a slow mo replay at halftime. He came through Odegaard's foot to get to the ball.
Bernado was already diving down by the time the shirt was pulled. They're either both clear and obvious errors, or neither. Ederson clearly made enough contact with Odegard to bring him down, and didn't get the ball. He kicked through Odegard FFS
Either give both or give none.
Should VAR be used like challenges in tennis? at the end of the day it’s still a single referee deciding what to check further on the monitor or what isn’t. They can choose like the 2 penalties today which goes further and what doesn’t.
Sometimes on TV you can see it over and over and after the game and say how did they get it wrong? It’s definitely the inconsistency that’s the big issue.
Sometimes on TV you can see it over and over and after the game and say how did they get it wrong? It’s definitely the inconsistency that’s the big issue.
Humphrey clenching his butt cheeks while calling for a change at the top of PGMOL. He's about to find a horse's head in his bed.
Yeah but as the rules stand it’s for ‘clear and obvious’ and that was the difference between the two incidents.
Personally I’d rather no VAR whatsoever rather than the ref going to the screen for every single incident in the box.
You have to draw the line somewhere in order to let the refs on the pitch to do their job and to let the game flow.
Personally I think Ederson connects with his heel on the ball at the same time as connecting with the player. The rules now state that contact with the player alone is not enough to secure a foul/pen, so when you layer that on it as well, I think no-pen is the right decision.
If the Odegaard penalty wasn't a clear and obvious error, then neither was the Bernardo one. You can't have two standards applied in the same match.
But encouraging performance otherwise, and gives me confidence that we'll be involved in the top four race till the last few matchdays.
But encouraging performance otherwise, and gives me confidence that we'll be involved in the top four race till the last few matchdays.
You are right, which only makes it more confusing to me. How did he thought that was a penalty? Is the softest penalty if so.
disagree on both accounts. ederson got a toe on the ball first, and where in the rules does it say if a player is going down, you can pull his shirt?Bernado was already diving down by the time the shirt was pulled. They're either both clear and obvious errors, or neither. Ederson clearly made enough contact with Odegard to bring him down, and didn't get the ball. He kicked through Odegard FFS
Either give both or give none.
Which one? The Arsenal one in first half?Lee Dixon thinks it wasnt a penalty
He is having a meltdown on TV
If so then it’s the first bit of sense I’ve heard from him. I suppose he means the City pen though
yeah but would have thought you hated us a lot more, being a direct rival. Find it interesting a city fan wants to see ars fail more but I’m all for it! Just shows how annoying their fans are
Sounds about right.
Where are people seeing this magical touch on the ball from Ederson first? I've seen every replay and I can't see it at all. He kicks Odegaards foot first.
The Odegaard one wasn't a foul. The Bernardo one was. What is the issue?
I think he got the ball first... thought it on first sight. changed my mind on second and changed it back on all the rest. no penalty for me - and I can guarantee ronaldo would have been booked for simulation
He really didn't. I can see 2-3 other people trying to tell you the same above, maybe you need to rewatch the incident. You can see he didn't get the ball clean at all, he kicked through the player.
Anyway on the second - my point is, Bernado was already diving down so to suggest the shirt tug when the player's already half way on the floor is adding to the foul is clutching at straws. He's already made his decision to go to ground - interestingly Peter Walton agreed there was some dive too.
They were both clear pens in my book (I think more Xakha's leg contact than the shirt tug here, and of course Ederson blatantly kicking Odegard). Neither was murkier than the other. The ref should make the final call by the monitor in both decisions.
I can guarantee if the exact same foul happened on Ronaldo the CAF would be up in arms saying the refs shit and where's VAR ?
And if the penalty on Ederson was on De Gea everyone would be saying that's the softest pen in history. No way was that Ederson foul a penalty, I've seen it from every angle if they give that as a penalty they'd be handing out penalties like hot cakes every week.
But all it takes is 30 seconds.
Var:Hi ref, what did you see there?
Ref:ederson got the ball first
Var:no he didn't
Ref:ah I thought he did
Var:he didn't, man first, go and look
Done simple.
This. The dive has no bearing on it, if he doesn’t dive the ref would have played on and VAR wouldn’t have been able to rightly review it
That's an interesting question - I’d assume so since he still removed the shirt, even if that stage of play was invalidated.
City pen.Which one? The Arsenal one in first half?
If so then it’s the first bit of sense I’ve heard from him. I suppose he means the City pen though
Because Klopp having a full squad back and Tuchel being the next coming of Jesus was hyped up on here, and elsewhere to be fair, up until around November. The hype for this race was ridiculous while we still had the HA! not under Ole brigade that (turns out rightfully) dismissed our chances.
Chelsea were many fans picks, Lukaku was the best no 9 in the world and all that jazz.
Now the league title race is dead by Jan 1. The league won before the transfer window opens.
We fired Ole, brought in an interim and there’s a real scenario where we could be twice as close to Chelsea and Liverpool as they are to City just 5 games later.
People may laugh but Klopp and Tuchel should be under pressure after this campaign.
Everything doesn’t have to be focused on self hating Utd, we know we’ve been shit.
not sure where you see that, to be honest. and it certainly wasn't a "clear and obvious mistake", although of course you can argue about that phrase and I'd probably agree with you!
there was no dive, the defender left his leg there, very probably on purpose
Except it’s still not clear now an hour later. I think the keepers heel catches the ball at the same time he connects with the player.
And contact with a player alone isn’t enough for a pen/FK this season anyway, refs confirmed that beginning of season.