[Dribbles]

With this current squad there are very few players that belong there. Players that are just not good enough. Too soft. Too old. Too lazy. Over rated and injury prone. Over paid. Low football IQ.

 

[Sea-Cow]

You can’t walk out at the beginning of both halfs and concede inside 2 minutes. It’s child’s play.

Onana been great this season but that was perhaps his biggest mistake yet

Glad to see Bruno removed. Good goal but outside of that he was terrible. Miss place pass. Hit first man. Miss place pass. Weak in the challenge. Miss place pass. Gift them opportunity for second goal. Hit first man. Miss place pass. Wave arms about. Cry when tackled. Miss place pass. Hit first man. Cry a bit more. Miss place pass

Thank you for the effort in typing that out, because its perfect.

He's incredibly frustrating.

 

[Sea-Cow]

That third goal. Yikes. How did Onana, De Ligt and Martinez contrive to not clear that off the line.

Not a Forest player in sight. Someone, please, for the love of God, take responsibility and clear it!

I hope Diego Dalot is embarrassed when he watches that third goal. He is so insanely soft in "challenging" for that ball that drops right in front of him, and then he takes his sweet fecking time out to "challenge" the guy that puts in a hopeful cross.

 

[elmo]

What did Rashford do so wrong in this game?

Garna was horrible 2/3 of the game, if anything Rashford was an improvement when he came on.

That said, don't think any of them were good or above average except for Amad and Ugarte

More like what did Rashford do right, he had one decent shot. That’s all. Constantly making the wrong decisions all game and pulled out of any 50/50 balls. He’s a fecking waste of space.

 

[1988]

What a disappointing game that was. We fielded what I felt was close to the strongest eleven we have and we completely faulter. Disheartening.

We have to better on setpieces. It's mad how terrible we are at them both defending and attacking

 

[Escobar]

Yes that is true but the test of a keeper is what he has to do when the big moments come. He always seems to make a mistake every time we start playing a bit better.

We lose a few more games now and then team starts throwing the towel because we aren’t winning games. Rinse and repeat.

When did he make a costly mistake this season vs how many times has he saved us?

 

[Yakuza_devils]

The usual suspects for calamity Onana and Martinez. Martinez had cause us a lot of goals this season. Strange that he didn't get as much criticism as Maguire.

Maguire need to be one of the 3 CBs, his passing may not be very good but he is very strong in the air to defend set pieces. We need to figure out a way to keep leaking goals from set pieces

We need to stop passing around the 3 CBs and GK. Is this the only way we can control the game and hold the ball?

 

[Himannv]

I think Onana is one of the few who can make a mistake this season and not deserve the criticism. He's been outstanding for pretty much every other game of the season.

 

[Banana Republic]

Mainoo and Yoro have both just come back into the team and lack match practice, so I don’t pin any blame on them.
The rest are trying to do what the manager is asking and it looks very disjointed.

That back 3 needs beefing up (Harry?) and Casemiro might be a better fit next to Ugarte, to strengthen the CM.
In just 2 games we’ve conceded 5 goals and dropped down from the joint 3rd best defence (on goals conceded), to mid table in the goals conceded rankings.



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[Banana Republic]

I think Onana is one of the few who can make a mistake this season and not deserve the criticism. He's been outstanding for pretty much every other game of the season.

Agreed.
Until yesterday, Onana has been outstanding for us this season and without some of his saves, we’d be in or close to the relegation zone.

Let’s just hope it was a blip.


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[nottinghamred]

Morning all. Forest fan here. I’ll give an honest assessment. First off ,old Trafford is absolutely phenomenal. My first time there. Onto the game,forest went for you from the start, but when you can’t do basic defending from a corner, you are going to concede. I was amazed at how disorganised united looked. Didn’t seem composed on the ball at all. I thought Bruno was your best player ,but I know he blows hot and cold. Rashford made an instant impact,but then disappeared for the rest of the game. As for your keeper. I’ve seen him have some fantastic games,so no idea what he was doing yesterday. It just doesn’t look like a Manchester United side at all. That’s an absolutely massive rebuilding job there. I do wonder though what needs doing ,as you’ve had managers that have won stuff everywhere else,yet can’t get a tune out of players at united and I don’t know why. Oh and 66 quid for a kid to attend a game of football is an utter disgrace. No wonder so many are fuming especially when they get served up what I witnessed yesterday.

 

[Overhaul FC]

Dalot has been awful so far this season, Martinez and Yoro were not aggressive at all yesterday.

Onana was half asleep despite being very good this season.

We missed Mazraoui at the back. Mainoo isn't fit enough yet. Garnacho was poor, Rashford awful when he came on.

Way too many players were off the pace to beat Forest. Alarming for Amorim. Has player power started already? Are they acting too tired for his intense training?

 

[The Urban Goose]

Morning all. Forest fan here. I’ll give an honest assessment. First off ,old Trafford is absolutely phenomenal. My first time there. Onto the game,forest went for you from the start, but when you can’t do basic defending from a corner, you are going to concede. I was amazed at how disorganised united looked. Didn’t seem composed on the ball at all. I thought Bruno was your best player ,but I know he blows hot and cold. Rashford made an instant impact,but then disappeared for the rest of the game. As for your keeper. I’ve seen him have some fantastic games,so no idea what he was doing yesterday. It just doesn’t look like a Manchester United side at all. That’s an absolutely massive rebuilding job there. I do wonder though what needs doing ,as you’ve had managers that have won stuff everywhere else,yet can’t get a tune out of players at united and I don’t know why. Oh and 66 quid for a kid to attend a game of football is an utter disgrace. No wonder so many are fuming especially when they get served up what I witnessed yesterday.

Can we have MGW, Milenkovic, Murillo, Aina, Morato, CHO and Jota please?

Swap you Bruno, Rashford, Casemiro, Maguire, Lindelof, Malacia and Zirkzee.


Edit: this started as a joke but it's actually depressed me. We're paying circa £1.5m/week salary for that lot whereas Forest are probably paying circa £500k for your lot? Utter shambles of recruitment and contracts from the Glazers and Ineos.

 

[RedFanaticTattooist]

"I hope Bruno is rested for three games so this forum can see how useless, blunt, and cowardly the rest of our attack is.

This fanbase is lower IQ than the average fanbase. They’d rather watch Mount hide, Zirkzee stroll around, Mainoo not get in the box for rebounds, rather than Bruno try a shot...".

I agree with this part. Wether anyone likes it or not, Bruno Fernandes is our ONLY class player in the squad, the only one who could be a starter in probably any top team in Europe. And i really appreciate
that he is still fighting after spending years in a mediocre team with mediocre teammates and basically wasting the best years of his career in Manchester.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Morning all. Forest fan here. I’ll give an honest assessment. First off ,old Trafford is absolutely phenomenal. My first time there. Onto the game,forest went for you from the start, but when you can’t do basic defending from a corner, you are going to concede. I was amazed at how disorganised united looked. Didn’t seem composed on the ball at all. I thought Bruno was your best player ,but I know he blows hot and cold. Rashford made an instant impact,but then disappeared for the rest of the game. As for your keeper. I’ve seen him have some fantastic games,so no idea what he was doing yesterday. It just doesn’t look like a Manchester United side at all. That’s an absolutely massive rebuilding job there. I do wonder though what needs doing ,as you’ve had managers that have won stuff everywhere else,yet can’t get a tune out of players at united and I don’t know why. Oh and 66 quid for a kid to attend a game of football is an utter disgrace. No wonder so many are fuming especially when they get served up what I witnessed yesterday.

Glad you had a good time!

 

[Lentwood]

I have been saying for a while that I have doubts about Martinez and he's arguably been worse this season than he was at the start of last.

Having a CB that short and that slow is a hindrance that you really just don't need at the top level.

He has some qualities for sure but I don't think he's an elite PL CB.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Hard to watch United these days. Poor performance and really poor goals to concede.

Our upcoming fixtures in league aren't getting easier either: City (A), Bournemouth (H), Wolves (A), Newcastle (H), Liverpool (A). We may even win few of those games but it's not impossible for us to fail to win any of those.

 

[justsomebloke]

Missed the game yesterday, just watched it now.

For once, with having read the post-match thread prior to the seeing the game. On that basis, I expected to see a horror show by Onana, and a weak performance all around, with stinkers from Bruno and Dalot.

From Onana, I certainly did. Passes sprayed over the line, and I think the most inexplicable keeper blooper I've seen on the second goal. Nevertheless, he's been arguably our best player this season, and those who come crawling out of the woodwork calling for him to be sold after ONE bad performance, please crawl back in. It's absurd.

What I saw from Bruno was an excellent performance, even with his fatal giveaway for the second Forest goal factored in. I can only assume that there are people on here who've hardwired themselves by habit to experience the red ping of rage every time they see a mishit pass, while somehow convincing themselves that all those creative contributions can just be taken for granted and are nothing special. Newsflash: They are. If you need reminding, try to remember what our offensive game looked like after he went off.

I also think Dalot had a completely ok game. Contributed quite a lot going forward, and I've seen him a lot worse defensively.

The back 3 did not have a good evening, obviously. There was a palpable sense of chaos even outside of Forest's goals, all 3 of whom were highly avoidable.

All in all, it was pretty weird spectacle. Defensive solidity blown, but actually a pretty good performance attacking-wise, which was starting to look like something. It almost looked like they've spent all their time in training after Arsenal working on the attack, with everything they've built defensively just slipping everyone's mind.

 

[justsomebloke]

And one more thing. The long and the short of it here is that this was a game we should have won - we dominated it almost start to finish, created enough and were effective in capitalising on what we created. They created very little - they had a better xG in their 0-3 loss at City. We just gave it away through catastrophic mental breakdowns in a limited number of situations.

 

[gerdm07]

Has absolutely nothing to do with figuring out a system. Other teams have endless amounts of video on Pep system..he has been running the league for almost a decade.

If the same players are failing under different systems under different managers then you can't keep blaming systems. We lost because of stupid individual mistakes, can't blame any manager for professionals making avoidable mistakes.

Obvious that our players just aren't good enough. Very very very few of our players would even get into any of the biggest teams in the world. We need upgrades at most positions. Difficult to compete without talent.

Don't at all understand the Ugarte to Rodri comparison. Ugarte isn't that style of player. Stylistically, Mainoo would be the Rodri in our system..not saying Mainoo is at Rodri level.

You didn't see time and again with De Ligt on the ball and the only option was to Martinez or Yoro? This was the obvious plan and it blunted us because we couldn't advance the ball. We cycled and then cycled again. This is why our pass number was so high, but it rarely resulted in getting the ball in their third of the pitch.

I mentioned Rodri because the above doesn't happen if we had a midfielder of Rodri's caliber. I like Ugarte, but we still need better midfielders to break good presses.

 

[U-N-I-T-E-D]

You didn't see time and again with De Ligt on the ball and the only option was to Martinez or Yoro?

The movement was pretty shit as per but there were times that De Ligt was stood on the ball and he had more than enough options.

It was like he’s been told to wait for the Forrest front line to come out to him to create space behind but they just didn’t which led to him awkwardly keeping the ball for 3-4 seconds in the centre of the pitch.

 

[Wazzaduke33]

I fear for Amorim already, I feel like he’s the right type of coach we need and that he has the ability to succeed, but the task is massive. He needs 2-3 years, a truck load of money and serious levels of patience from
all corners. It’s difficult to see that happening as we’ve all been here before, several times now . . .

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Missed the game yesterday, just watched it now.

For once, with having read the post-match thread prior to the seeing the game. On that basis, I expected to see a horror show by Onana, and a weak performance all around, with stinkers from Bruno and Dalot.

From Onana, I certainly did. Passes sprayed over the line, and I think the most inexplicable keeper blooper I've seen on the second goal. Nevertheless, he's been arguably our best player this season, and those who come crawling out of the woodwork calling for him to be sold after ONE bad performance, please crawl back in. It's absurd.

What I saw from Bruno was an excellent performance, even with his fatal giveaway for the second Forest goal factored in. I can only assume that there are people on here who've hardwired themselves by habit to experience the red ping of rage every time they see a mishit pass, while somehow convincing themselves that all those creative contributions can just be taken for granted and are nothing special. Newsflash: They are. If you need reminding, try to remember what our offensive game looked like after he went off.

I also think Dalot had a completely ok game. Contributed quite a lot going forward, and I've seen him a lot worse defensively.

The back 3 did not have a good evening, obviously. There was a palpable sense of chaos even outside of Forest's goals, all 3 of whom were highly avoidable.

All in all, it was pretty weird spectacle. Defensive solidity blown, but actually a pretty good performance attacking-wise, which was starting to look like something. It almost looked like they've spent all their time in training after Arsenal working on the attack, with everything they've built defensively just slipping everyone's mind.

Yeah, that’s how I remember it too. Although the last 15 -20 minutes were VERY frustrating. It felt like we had loads of time to create something if we kept doing what we’d been doing all game long but all our attacking threat seemed to evaporate and the clock just ran down without anything positive happening. Probably because we subbed off our two best players on the night. That was a bummer.

 

[SuperSub81]

£66

 

[SuperSub81]

Storm Darragh

Stormy Daniels

 

[redmanx]

Not really. Not since Barthez has a goalkeeper committed so many mistakes here in the first few seasons after arriving. Atleast De Gea was dropped in favor of Lindegaard for a while. But Onana is untouchable for some reason.

Onana is simply not reliable enough to be a Premier League keeper; he can be brilliant, but, like Barthez, the calamities are never far away.

 

[Still ill]

Onana is simply not reliable enough to be a Premier League keeper; he can be brilliant, but, like Barthez, the calamities are never far away.

Yep. You wouldn't catch Ederson making silly mistakes, would you? Or Raya. Or Sanchez. Every keeper has it in them. It's the frequency of the bloopers that's key. Ladt season, far too many. This season he's been pretty sensational. I'll give him a pass this week.

 

[redmanx]

With this current squad there are very few players that belong there. Players that are just not good enough. Too soft. Too old. Too lazy. Over rated and injury prone. Over paid. Low football IQ.

When was the last time we bought a player who came in and really transformed the team? Bruno managed to take us from mediocre to half decent but, since SAF retired nobody has really made a mark, consistently, on the pitch. We've had a bit more joy with academy players like Rashford, Mainoo and Garnacho but Rashford these days blows hot and cold and is a shadow of his former self.

 

[Crimson King]

Missed the game yesterday, just watched it now.

For once, with having read the post-match thread prior to the seeing the game. On that basis, I expected to see a horror show by Onana, and a weak performance all around, with stinkers from Bruno and Dalot.

From Onana, I certainly did. Passes sprayed over the line, and I think the most inexplicable keeper blooper I've seen on the second goal. Nevertheless, he's been arguably our best player this season, and those who come crawling out of the woodwork calling for him to be sold after ONE bad performance, please crawl back in. It's absurd.

What I saw from Bruno was an excellent performance, even with his fatal giveaway for the second Forest goal factored in. I can only assume that there are people on here who've hardwired themselves by habit to experience the red ping of rage every time they see a mishit pass, while somehow convincing themselves that all those creative contributions can just be taken for granted and are nothing special. Newsflash: They are. If you need reminding, try to remember what our offensive game looked like after he went off.

I also think Dalot had a completely ok game. Contributed quite a lot going forward, and I've seen him a lot worse defensively.

The back 3 did not have a good evening, obviously. There was a palpable sense of chaos even outside of Forest's goals, all 3 of whom were highly avoidable.

All in all, it was pretty weird spectacle. Defensive solidity blown, but actually a pretty good performance attacking-wise, which was starting to look like something. It almost looked like they've spent all their time in training after Arsenal working on the attack, with everything they've built defensively just slipping everyone's mind.

Forest are a strong defensive team that made it really difficult for us. We scored two really well worked goals and recorded a good amount of box entries, where normally the final ball/shot let us down or their defenders did well to block.

Like you say, the performance was ok/good in many respects. We lost because we gifted them 3 goals and don't have the attacking players to regularly equal or score more than that.

 

[RaddyRed]

Did we create any chances after Bruno went off?

 

[Craig Ward]

"I hope Bruno is rested for three games so this forum can see how useless, blunt, and cowardly the rest of our attack is.

This fanbase is lower IQ than the average fanbase. They’d rather watch Mount hide, Zirkzee stroll around, Mainoo not get in the box for rebounds, rather than Bruno try a shot...".

I agree with this part. Wether anyone likes it or not, Bruno Fernandes is our ONLY class player in the squad, the only one who could be a starter in probably any top team in Europe. And i really appreciate
that he is still fighting after spending years in a mediocre team with mediocre teammates and basically wasting the best years of his career in Manchester.

Are you mental?

Bruno Fernandes is not captain material. He's a good player, like many other's in our squad. He does nothing to warrant any form of special praise and is on a par with Rashford as being our most frustrating player to watch.

He is capable of moments of pure quality. They just don't happen enough. These moments are also overshadowed by utter abysmal play, lack of positional awareness, mis placing simple passes and generally having the body language of a stroppy teenager.

I think your dramatically over hyping Fernandes quality. He's bang average like the majority of our squad.

He doesn't get into the elite premier league teams, yet alone elite European teams. He wouldn't get a start at any team fighting for the top 4, bar us. We wouldn't miss him all that much honestly

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Are you mental?

Bruno Fernandes is not captain material. He's a good player, like many other's in our squad. He does nothing to warrant any form of special praise and is on a par with Rashford as being our most frustrating player to watch.

He is capable of moments of pure quality. They just don't happen enough. These moments are also overshadowed by utter abysmal play, lack of positional awareness, mis placing simple passes and generally having the body language of a stroppy teenager.

I think your dramatically over hyping Fernandes quality. He's bang average like the majority of our squad.

He doesn't get into the elite premier league teams, yet alone elite European teams. He wouldn't get a start at any team fighting for the top 4, bar us. We wouldn't miss him all that much honestly

He has his faults but we were absolutely awful after he came off the other day. Without him, we'd be nowhere near where we've been over the last few years and we've been shit.

 

[Zed 101]

I think that Forrest are a better team than many would credit, flying high but there on merit.

We were trash going forward but probably would have ended up creating enough to win had we not given 2 goals away, no way goals 2 or 3 should not be scored.

Seems like we can either attack or defend but not both, or in this game either!

I feel like the Zirkzee experiment has run its course, and can genuinely see little future for Mount, Garnacho or Rashford under Amorim, although things can obviously change.

For a long time I thought we had a lot of untapped quality in our squad, but I am beginning to think that I have overestimated the room for growth

 

[RedFanaticTattooist]

Are you mental?

Bruno Fernandes is not captain material. He's a good player, like many other's in our squad. He does nothing to warrant any form of special praise and is on a par with Rashford as being our most frustrating player to watch.

He is capable of moments of pure quality. They just don't happen enough. These moments are also overshadowed by utter abysmal play, lack of positional awareness, mis placing simple passes and generally having the body language of a stroppy teenager.

I think your dramatically over hyping Fernandes quality. He's bang average like the majority of our squad.

He doesn't get into the elite premier league teams, yet alone elite European teams. He wouldn't get a start at any team fighting for the top 4, bar us. We wouldn't miss him all that much honestly

No, I'm not mental. I just have some knowledge about football, but i can't say the same about you sorry.

 

[gerdm07]

Are you mental?

Bruno Fernandes is not captain material. He's a good player, like many other's in our squad. He does nothing to warrant any form of special praise and is on a par with Rashford as being our most frustrating player to watch.

He is capable of moments of pure quality. They just don't happen enough. These moments are also overshadowed by utter abysmal play, lack of positional awareness, mis placing simple passes and generally having the body language of a stroppy teenager.

I think your dramatically over hyping Fernandes quality. He's bang average like the majority of our squad.

He doesn't get into the elite premier league teams, yet alone elite European teams. He wouldn't get a start at any team fighting for the top 4, bar us. We wouldn't miss him all that much honestly

I agree with everything except "He's bang average." Bruno is above average, somewhere around good. He is not very good and not great by any stretch of the imagination. I also think without him other players would step up. I could see Mount, Amad, and Eriksen (for limited times) doing just as well as Bruno.

 

[GueRed]

Not surprised with the result. Forest is having a decent season, we are not.
Still disappointing nonetheless. Poor goals to give away..

 

[Craig Ward]

No, I'm not mental. I just have some knowledge about football, but i can't say the same about you sorry.

Ha - your funny. Bruno is capable of the brilliant. But its very rare and for me, the negatives outweigh the positives to glorify him as some outstanding player. He's just not consistently good enough or the hype you've put on him

He has his faults but we were absolutely awful after he came off the other day. Without him, we'd be nowhere near where we've been over the last few years and we've been shit.

We've been awful with him on the pitch plenty of times.

 

[Craig Ward]

I agree with everything except "He's bang average." Bruno is above average, somewhere around good. He is not very good and not great by any stretch of the imagination. I also think without him other players would step up. I could see Mount, Amad, and Eriksen (for limited times) doing just as well as Bruno.

Yeah perhaps bang average is a little harsh. My issue is he's a very capable player - just very inconsistent. He;s got moments of brilliance in his locker - but we see much more of the error prone Bruno than the brilliant.

He's droppable for sure

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

I think that Forrest are a better team than many would credit, flying high but there on merit.

We were trash going forward but probably would have ended up creating enough to win had we not given 2 goals away, no way goals 2 or 3 should not be scored.

Seems like we can either attack or defend but not both, or in this game either!

I feel like the Zirkzee experiment has run its course, and can genuinely see little future for Mount, Garnacho or Rashford under Amorim, although things can obviously change.

For a long time I thought we had a lot of untapped quality in our squad, but I am beginning to think that I have overestimated the room for growth

This where I have ended up. Oh well, just going to try and enjoy the down and up ride with Amorim (I hope). Going to be a long road.

 

[mitchmouse]

What a disappointing game that was. We fielded what I felt was close to the strongest elleven we have and we completely faulter. Disheartening.

We have to better on setpieces. It's mad how terrible we are at them both defending and attacking

Yes, I was quite excited when I saw the line-up. In future, really must remember it's United...