[Kraftwerker]

Outside of it being a decent performance and a fine result for us, I hope beyond the game this dents Liverpool's confidence somewhat.

I think many expected them to batter us and we made them look distinctly average at home last night, in a game they should have been fired up for more than any other.

I'd expect them to struggle massively around Christmas and towards the end of the season, especially with 2 or 3 injuries. They look distinctly average when they lose their bum-rush intensity.

Our first half was a masterclass in how to nullify a pressing side, especially for those 20/25 minutes where the entire game was in their half.

 

[finneh]

It's just a shame that our three most attacking player's didn't turn up in an attacking sense.

There were a few opportunities when making the right decision could have seen us create some good chances (when Pogba made the ridiculous decision to shoot from 45 yards, Rashford on a couple of occasions trying to take on Milner when crossing was the right decision, Ibrahimovich lazily straying offside and misplacing a few important passes).

I think we'd be waxing lyrical about a disciplined 1-0 or 2-0 masterclass had those player's turned up.

 

[trevor newnham]

Everyone was moaning about Rooney slowing everything up but I reckon Ibra is doing the same. He is too sliw. Its ok being sliw if you bury the few chances youre going to get in games like this but , last night, he didnt. I would honestly rather have Rashford or Martial up front. Happyish with the defence. Not enough creativity but I expected that. It wasbpretty obvious that Mourinho would srt up that way at Liverpool. And I would also praise the ref who was under a lot of pressure . Well done.

 

[Mani]

Well planned game play on which our players played it to perfection,there were slight lapse of concentration at the end but we manged to get through.
Also I don't think Ibra's header was any easy considering the position he took his header from.Team should be more positive with the performance.
Herrera was simply brilliant.This match remember's me of Jose's Inter on 2010.

 

[FacerTheRed]

When did we turn into Sunderland? This type of performance is one of the reasons I didn't want Jose in the first place.

Considering where United are at in terms of form, I'd take a point. Defensively United were superb, Sunderland couldnt defend like that. If United went on the attack and pressed Liverpool, they would of ripped United apart. Jose went into this game in right mind set on playing deep and closing the gap for liverpool players to run into on goal. It's just unfortunate our attacking players didnt turn up to hurt Liverpool on the counters, but like i said due to where United are in terms of form and transition. A point is a decent result.

Like the great man himself said, "Attack wins you games, defence wins you titles." - SAF

 

[Parma Dewol]

I always find it interesting that a lot of people, and in particular the pundits, hate these sorts of games whereas I really enjoy them. Of course, I prefer an end-to-end 4-3 win, but it's a bit like snooker, where I also love the scrappy, tactical sessions. Last night's match was definitely one of them.

Went into the game fearing that Liverpool would blow us away in the first 20 minutes, as they have done against so many sides in the last 12 months. Wasn't to be and I was hugely impressed with how we nullified everything about them in the first 45 minutes. They looked genuinely shell-shocked and didn't know what had happened to them. Even the crowd were quiet.

Lots of positives in our performance, too. Herrera has convinced me he should be one of the first names on the team sheet, his partnership with Fellaini worked surprisingly well, Smalling and Baily are getting better together, and even Ashley Young showed that he can do a job. I'd liked to have seen a bit more from Zlatan/Pogba/Rashford going forward, but I'd have taken a draw at the start of the game so can't complain.

We might have lacked flair, but we had strength, commitment, teamwork, organisation and resilience. Those attributes will hold us in good stead going forward.

 

[PSingh]

Glad to see jose has learnt from the mistakes against City. IIRC after the city game he mentioned a couple of players were not able to cope with the dimension of the match. After last nights performance its safe to say he can trust the likes of Herrera, Fellaini and Young.

I see it as a point game rather than two points dropped. The media had hyped this Liverpool team up as unstoppable and i was worried we would be blown away in the first 20 minutes. Credit to the team for diggining in and matching Liverpools intensity.

In attack we was poor. Has to be said that zlatan and pogba were non existent. Granted we didnt get the ball to them enough. But at least expected the hold up play to be a decent base for the team.

 

[Rafateria]

I'd expect them to struggle massively around Christmas and towards the end of the season, especially with 2 or 3 injuries. They look distinctly average when they lose their bum-rush intensity.

Our first half was a masterclass in how to nullify a pressing side, especially for those 20/25 minutes where the entire game was in their half.

The first 20-25 mins our passing was atrocious .. and not from pressure, it was just extremely inaccurate. SOme of that had to do with Can coming in for his first starting PL game of the season so it was understandable he was on another wave-length, however after 20-25 mins he settled down and so did the team. From then on, bar another 10 mins at the beginning of the second half when they seemed to need time to settle into a rhythm again, we dominated. But for De Gea proving what a world-class keeper he is with one stupendous save (low-down from Can) and one very fine save (top of his left from Coutinho) you'd have lost and nobody would be saying a good point won.

For the first 20 mins, due to our passing ineptitude, Mou's tactics and United's initial enthusiasm, it looked like United had come to play but even then whenever we got the ball United resorted to 10 men behind the ball. It seemed like we were playing against a relegation fodder team made up of stars rather than United, I've never seen a United team this negative, even under Moyes or LvG. It was however a typical Mou team when playing against a team he fears, in essence his tactics and team were totally anti-Liverpool and not designed in any way to play the United way or to their real strengths.

Fine if that is what the fans are willing to accept and fans can say that it's only while the team is in transition but you don't make that transition if you are reading from a defensive bible. The comments in this thread make grim reading ... happy with a point but not the style of play people want to see .... is repeated over and over. Do the United faithful really want to hear Mourinho say "This is a point that stopped them winning three," ?

As for us and dropping 2 points, we played a top team full of quality players, intent on nullifying us, and even then came close to winning it, we were totally dominant over the final 30 mins. So I'm disappointed not to win but still somewhat satisfied that that is how far we have come in one season under Klopp, that fear of our attacking play can now force United to adopt such a defensive posture and tactics. Starting this season without a single defeat to any of Arsenal (A), Spurs (A), Leicester (H), Chelsea (A) and United (H) ? Every Liverpool supporter would have taken that considering where we were over the previous 2 seasons.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

We are clearly not going to be in the running for the title this season, & might struggle for top four. Good defensive performance, but nothing going forward. Not helped that our two front players were the worst in the game, & added nothing. Looking more like our so called glorious transfer window is a myth. Serious doubts about Ibrahimovic when he was signed about the direction of the side, which unfortunately are being proved correct. Also. you would expect if you pay a world record fee for a player, then that player can change games & score & make goals, which Pogba has shown none of so far. Worrying times ahead I feel.

 

[Kraftwerker]

The first 20-25 mins our passing was atrocious .. and not from pressure, it was just extremely inaccurate. SOme of that had to do with Can coming in for his first starting PL game of the season so it was understandable he was on another wave-length, however after 20-25 mins he settled down and so did the team. From then on, bar another 10 mins at the beginning of the second half when they seemed to need time to settle into a rhythm again, we dominated. But for De Gea proving what a world-class keeper he is with one stupendous save (low-down from Can) and one very fine save (top of his left from Coutinho) you'd have lost and nobody would be saying a good point won.

For the first 20 mins, due to our passing ineptitude, Mou's tactics and United's initial enthusiasm, it looked like United had come to play but even then whenever we got the ball United resorted to 10 men behind the ball. It seemed like we were playing against a relegation fodder team made up of stars rather than United, I've never seen a United team this negative, even under Moyes or LvG. It was however a typical Mou team when playing against a team he fears, in essence his tactics and team were totally anti-Liverpool and not designed in any way to play the United way or to their real strengths.

Fine if that is what the fans are willing to accept and fans can say that it's only while the team is in transition but you don't make that transition if you are reading from a defensive bible. The comments in this thread make grim reading ... happy with a point but not the style of play people want to see .... is repeated over and over. Do the United faithful really want to hear Mourinho say "This is a point that stopped them winning three," ?

As for us and dropping 2 points, we played a top team full of quality players, intent on nullifying us, and even then came close to winning it, we were totally dominant over the final 30 mins. So I'm disappointed not to win but still somewhat satisfied that that is how far we have come in one season under Klopp, that fear of our attacking play can now force United to adopt such a defensive posture and tactics. Starting this season without a single defeat to any of Arsenal (A), Spurs (A), Leicester (H), Chelsea (A) and United (H) ? Every Liverpool supporter would have taken that considering where we were over the previous 2 seasons.

Liverpool were far more negative considering they were the home team. Showed no attacking intent and were scared to come at us. As comfortable as we've been at a Anfield for a while. We just didn't do enough to punish.

Surely fingers should be pointed at your manager for not attacking at home. Even the likes of Houllier and Benitez would try to come out at home. We'll not be as negative at OT as you were last night. No chance.

Don't think anyone should fear you. So easy to take the sting out of the myth crowd and ride out the initial 20 minute bum rush and there's little to worry about. You're talking like you're a top side who have won multiple trophies. You'll do well to get top 4.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...utation-jurgen-klopp-red-monday-a7366811.html

 

[jojose]

I thought we were very good. I don’t have an issue with that set up away in big games.

Herrera was outstanding. The whole team very disciplined. Bailly has an exceptional ability of sniffing out danger.

Valencia was fantastic. Fellaini very good. Tough for Pogba but very disciplined in a different role and produced the moment of pure class in the match.

I think the turning point has been coming for us recently. I thought it had arrived against Leicester. The performance was very good against Stoke. But I think last night will have given Jose confidence in the players and the players confidence in Jose. Something we haven’t had for a while. He’s also starting to build the “us against the world” mentality which as long as he doesn’t over do is great too.

In ten league games time when we take 25+ points, the pundits will be pointing to last night as “the turning point”

 

[Infra-red]

If only we'd played this way vs City. De Gea, Bailly, Valencia and Young all did well, Herrera was great. Mourinho has always excelled at the big away game; it appears he has not lost his touch in this regard.

 

[EmPeeKay]

Liverpool were there for the taking, but it's understandable why Jose played for a draw. He knows that his team are not firing on all cylinders and therefore he played it safe against an in-form Liverpool team who were built up by Sky and other
media outlets as the next title contenders. I also don't accept the excuse from some LFC fans that they had an off-day. Liverpool met their defensive match and United simply didn't allow them to play their expansive game of football, it's that simple. It is of course a compliment to them when we go to Anfield and set up defensively, but a loss would have been a disaster leaving us further adrift from the top four.

No disrespect to Liverpool, they are a good team and Klopp is getting a tune out of them, but to call them title contenders at this stage of the season is a bit premature. We are due a good few performances and once we have a fully fit squad I believe we can be a threat ourselves. The best is yet to come from this United team.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Considering where United are at in terms of form, I'd take a point. Defensively United were superb, Sunderland couldnt defend like that. If United went on the attack and pressed Liverpool, they would of ripped United apart. Jose went into this game in right mind set on playing deep and closing the gap for liverpool players to run into on goal. It's just unfortunate our attacking players didnt turn up to hurt Liverpool on the counters, but like i said due to where United are in terms of form and transition. A point is a decent result.

Like the great man himself said, "Attack wins you games, defence wins you titles." - SAF

So now Man Utd are afraid of Liverpool they are so much better than us that we have to defend with 9 players and only hold on to a point through some brilliant saves from DDG.
Everybody is saying that Liverpool would've destroyed us that we are not at Liverpool's level. That the only way we could live with Liverpool is to park the bus. That wasn't the case last year we beat them twice in the league.
What has changed since last season? We've changed manager and spent a fortune on players.

 

[NK86]

The first 20-25 mins our passing was atrocious .. and not from pressure, it was just extremely inaccurate. SOme of that had to do with Can coming in for his first starting PL game of the season so it was understandable he was on another wave-length, however after 20-25 mins he settled down and so did the team. From then on, bar another 10 mins at the beginning of the second half when they seemed to need time to settle into a rhythm again, we dominated. But for De Gea proving what a world-class keeper he is with one stupendous save (low-down from Can) and one very fine save (top of his left from Coutinho) you'd have lost and nobody would be saying a good point won.

For the first 20 mins, due to our passing ineptitude, Mou's tactics and United's initial enthusiasm, it looked like United had come to play but even then whenever we got the ball United resorted to 10 men behind the ball. It seemed like we were playing against a relegation fodder team made up of stars rather than United, I've never seen a United team this negative, even under Moyes or LvG. It was however a typical Mou team when playing against a team he fears, in essence his tactics and team were totally anti-Liverpool and not designed in any way to play the United way or to their real strengths.

Fine if that is what the fans are willing to accept and fans can say that it's only while the team is in transition but you don't make that transition if you are reading from a defensive bible. The comments in this thread make grim reading ... happy with a point but not the style of play people want to see .... is repeated over and over. Do the United faithful really want to hear Mourinho say "This is a point that stopped them winning three," ?

As for us and dropping 2 points, we played a top team full of quality players, intent on nullifying us, and even then came close to winning it, we were totally dominant over the final 30 mins. So I'm disappointed not to win but still somewhat satisfied that that is how far we have come in one season under Klopp, that fear of our attacking play can now force United to adopt such a defensive posture and tactics. Starting this season without a single defeat to any of Arsenal (A), Spurs (A), Leicester (H), Chelsea (A) and United (H) ? Every Liverpool supporter would have taken that considering where we were over the previous 2 seasons.

If Zlatan had not fluffed his chance, we would have come back with 3 points and the plan would have worked to perfection. Not sure what made you think you "dominated". We pressured you and were the better team in the first half. Second half, we dropped deeper and let you play in front of us. That was a classic away game from us. Not sure what makes you think you deserved to win.

 

[NK86]

I'd expect them to struggle massively around Christmas and towards the end of the season, especially with 2 or 3 injuries. They look distinctly average when they lose their bum-rush intensity.

Our first half was a masterclass in how to nullify a pressing side, especially for those 20/25 minutes where the entire game was in their half.

The thing with Liverpool is that they can press hard but they collapse under pressing as well. They don't have a lot of really technical players to play out of a tight corner and that is what we showed up yesterday. It was funny how they struggled against pressure but the resident Pool fans lay it down to Can not starting well

 

[Fully Fledged]

If Zlatan has not fluffed his chance, we would have come back with 3 points and the plan would have worked to perfection. Not sure what made you think you "dominated". We pressured you and were the better team in the first half. Second half, we dropped deeper and let you play in front of us. That was a classic away game from us. Not sure what makes you think you deserved to win.

And it DDG hadn't performed 2 Worldies we would have lost 2-0 tell me one time that we tested the goalkeeper.

 

[VeevaVee]

For the first 20 mins, due to our passing ineptitude, Mou's tactics and United's initial enthusiasm, it looked like United had come to play but even then whenever we got the ball United resorted to 10 men behind the ball. It seemed like we were playing against a relegation fodder team made up of stars rather than United, I've never seen a United team this negative, even under Moyes or LvG. It was however a typical Mou team when playing against a team he fears, in essence his tactics and team were totally anti-Liverpool and not designed in any way to play the United way or to their real strengths.

Fine if that is what the fans are willing to accept and fans can say that it's only while the team is in transition but you don't make that transition if you are reading from a defensive bible. The comments in this thread make grim reading ... happy with a point but not the style of play people want to see .... is repeated over and over. Do the United faithful really want to hear Mourinho say "This is a point that stopped them winning three," ?

Personally, I'd be reasonably happy with last night if every other game was a decent performance. But it's not, so it's another demonstration of still not being where we should be at.

 

[NK86]

And it DDG hadn't performed 2 Worldies we would have lost 2-0 tell me one time that we tested the goalkeeper.

DDG is there to make saves. What is wrong with that? You rather we play without a GK and then see if we win?

 

[Denis79]

I struggle to understand how a United fan could find a match against Liverpool boring.
I was actually really impressed with us tonight, thought we looked disciplined and tidy on the ball. Give us a few month and I think we'll be a real force.

Agree. I think we did fantastic considering the form they are in. We gave nothing to them. Won the midfield comfortably and played well in parts being at anfield. Herrera was terrific! Valencia and Bailly did very well aswell. Bit dissapointed with Zlatan and Pogba. All in all a very good result for us. Loved the pressure we put on them!

 

[EmPeeKay]

The thing with Liverpool is that they can press hard but they collapse under pressing as well. They don't have a lot of really technical players to play out of a tight corner and that is what we showed up yesterday. It was funny how they struggled against pressure but the resident Pool fans lay it down to Can not starting well

THIS. You play them at their own game and they collapse under pressure. I heard some LFC fans saying that their passing was off in the first half. That was because United pressed them very well in the first half and dispossessed them. There was a period in the game were they couldn't even string a few passes together due to the pressure. LFC are a good team, respect them, but don't be afraid of them.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Some papers talking about exceptional performance by Anthony Taylor. Hilarious!!!

The only thing he did wrong was not book some Liverpool players as well. The aggression at the start of the game, he let go. Some refs would have been showering cards like confetti.

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

If, if, if …

The talk on here was doom and gloom all day yesterday. I'm happy with the point and think that Jose learnt some things about some players yesterday.

Not perfect. Not what anyone really wants but … it's where we are at the mo. Like it or not, having spent all the money we have, we are rebuilding.

Last night should be viewed as a part of that process and a step in the right direction.

 

[Mark_GrumpyLion]

Disciplined tactical game from Mou, wasn't pretty but I did enjoy it. The hard pressure we put on at the start worked really well but it looked obvious that we could not hold that up since we have not been playing like that consistently over the season. A point gained in my book, score that Zlatan header and we run away laughing manically while RAWK explodes.

 

[Adisa]

Missed the game but a lot of fans I've spoken to seem to feel like this.
This time yesterday, I thought we were going to get dicked 3 or 4.
I have no problem with Mourinho's tactics.

 

[RedDevil@84]

The first 20-25 mins our passing was atrocious .. and not from pressure, it was just extremely inaccurate. SOme of that had to do with Can coming in for his first starting PL game of the season so it was understandable he was on another wave-length, however after 20-25 mins he settled down and so did the team. From then on, bar another 10 mins at the beginning of the second half when they seemed to need time to settle into a rhythm again, we dominated. But for De Gea proving what a world-class keeper he is with one stupendous save (low-down from Can) and one very fine save (top of his left from Coutinho) you'd have lost and nobody would be saying a good point won.

For the first 20 mins, due to our passing ineptitude, Mou's tactics and United's initial enthusiasm, it looked like United had come to play but even then whenever we got the ball United resorted to 10 men behind the ball. It seemed like we were playing against a relegation fodder team made up of stars rather than United, I've never seen a United team this negative, even under Moyes or LvG. It was however a typical Mou team when playing against a team he fears, in essence his tactics and team were totally anti-Liverpool and not designed in any way to play the United way or to their real strengths.

Fine if that is what the fans are willing to accept and fans can say that it's only while the team is in transition but you don't make that transition if you are reading from a defensive bible. The comments in this thread make grim reading ... happy with a point but not the style of play people want to see .... is repeated over and over. Do the United faithful really want to hear Mourinho say "This is a point that stopped them winning three," ?

As for us and dropping 2 points, we played a top team full of quality players, intent on nullifying us, and even then came close to winning it, we were totally dominant over the final 30 mins. So I'm disappointed not to win but still somewhat satisfied that that is how far we have come in one season under Klopp, that fear of our attacking play can now force United to adopt such a defensive posture and tactics. Starting this season without a single defeat to any of Arsenal (A), Spurs (A), Leicester (H), Chelsea (A) and United (H) ? Every Liverpool supporter would have taken that considering where we were over the previous 2 seasons.

You use the word "dominating" like what LvG used to do. Keeping bulk of possession in your own half is hardly called "dominating". Even getting possession from opponents, running into the other half, but doing feck all with it is hardly dominating.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Personally, I'd be reasonably happy with last night if every other game was a decent performance. But it's not, so it's another demonstration of still not being where we should be at.

That attitude means you're not allowing the team to be a work in progress. Surely the best we can hope from with a new manager and so many new players is gradual improvement? Which means you should take each game as it comes and don't try to downplay the result because of previous, less good, performances.

 

[RedDevil@84]

The only thing he did wrong was not book some Liverpool players as well. The aggression at the start of the game, he let go. Some refs would have been showering cards like confetti.

I am not saying it was Micheal Oliver kind of refereeing. But I would like to see refs maintain consistency at least in the context of the match. If he was showing restraint to dish out cards, he should have been kinder to Bailly. When a ref dishes out a card for a foul, he should set that standard for the match at least, Similar fouls would get booked. But we see Bailly get booked too easily. Then Pogba gets fouled much worse and it is ok.
No wonder Herrera and Young were pissed off.

 

[Jacko21]

I was encouraged by last night's performance. Namely because I didn't think we had that in us. I didn't think our players could yet be resolute enough to execute Mourinho's plan. Happily, I was wrong.

That said, it could easily have gone either way.

But for two incredible saves from De Gea, we would've lost.

And but for Ibrahimovic missing a chance that he would more often than not taken, we would've won.

Liverpool were overly cautious, particularly as the home team.

It's not a popular opinion amongst wider football supporters, but I find this type of performance has the most to admire from a tactical point of view. Akin to what Simeone achieves with his Atletico team. There is no margin for error when you setup in this way and to play with such discipline and to maintain such concentration for 90 minutes, is no easy task. Concede early and your gameplan is tossed out the window. Mentally and physically it must be draining.

This was typical Mourinho. And but for a goal on our part, this would've been as well executed as his victories against Liverpool and City in 2014 with Chelsea and with his Inter team against Barcelona in 2010.

 

[TrueRed79]

All the whinging from Liverpools fans is very heartening! Love it. As people have said, we simply could not get beat tonight under any circumstances. Massive fixtures coming up, so this will stand us in good stead. We simply have to do a number on Chelsea on Sunday though. Can't fall further behind. 3pts please. Happy with last night. Totally nullified Liverpools attacking threat and made them look ordinary.

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

The only thing he did wrong was not book some Liverpool players as well. The aggression at the start of the game, he let go. Some refs would have been showering cards like confetti.

Actually thought his interpretation of the "advantage" was pretty damn hilarious.

Two players on a break accelerating towards 3 lone defenders and our player on the ball gets taken out while passing forward stopping any chance of him running on to a return pass … the "advantage" is played even though the one remaining player has no-one to pass to and is isolated and now surrounded by 7 opposition players. No advantage, no FK and more importantly, no yellow for the Liverpool player.

Cannot understand why Young was carded for remonstrating with the ref when there were times when the man in black was surrounded by at least 6 or 7 'pool players all demanding stronger sanctions for our players?

The imbalance in the yellow card haul alone tells that the press got their way. Asking for Jose to comment on the ref's impartiality actually made the ref overly "partial" for want of a better word!

 

[The Brown Bull]

Missed the game but a lot of fans I've spoken to seem to feel like this.
This time yesterday, I thought we were going to get dicked 3 or 4.
I have no problem with Mourinho's tactics.

I do have a problem with his tactics as I don't accept Liverpool are any great shakes.
I thought we would win reasonably comfortably if we performed.
We did not.Our lack of quality in attack cost us.Playing a team who are poor defensively with a dodgey keeper we were too negative.Simple as that.

 

[Crimson King]

What's all this tosh in the media about this 'not being the Utd way', or it's a 'far cry Fergie's flamboyant attacking teams'.

Sir Alex set up to win ugly/not lose plenty of times, especially against teams like Arsenal in their pomp.

There's been some serious historical revisionism since he retired.

 

[Klopper76]

Liverpool were far more negative considering they were the home team. Showed no attacking intent and were scared to come at us. As comfortable as we've been at a Anfield for a while. We just didn't do enough to punish.

Surely fingers should be pointed at your manager for not attacking at home. Even the likes of Houllier and Benitez would try to come out at home. We'll not be as negative at OT as you were last night. No chance.

Don't think anyone should fear you. So easy to take the sting out of the myth crowd and ride out the initial 20 minute bum rush and there's little to worry about. You're talking like you're a top side who have won multiple trophies. You'll do well to get top 4.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...utation-jurgen-klopp-red-monday-a7366811.html

I don't think you can say that Klopp approached that game negatively. The reality is that we were very poor and combined with United's tactical approach we found it hard to get going. Our passing was all over the shop and Klopp was clearly unhappy with the performance at half time.

It's also a myth that we go all out in the first 20 minutes and if you survive that you're fine. We were poor in the first half against Swansea and Arsenal, took 15 minutes to get going against Leicester and mostly dominant against Spurs and Chelsea. The only game we really 'bum rushed' was Hull. You're knee-jerking based on one game of football. If this happens a few more times then you might be right but there's currently more evidence to suggest that we are a good team capable of challenging for a top four place this season.

 

[Rafateria]

Liverpool were far more negative considering they were the home team. Showed no attacking intent and were scared to come at us. As comfortable as we've been at a Anfield for a while. We just didn't do enough to punish.

Surely fingers should be pointed at your manager for not attacking at home. Even the likes of Houllier and Benitez would try to come out at home. We'll not be as negative at OT as you were last night. No chance.

Don't think anyone should fear you. So easy to take the sting out of the myth crowd and ride out the initial 20 minute bum rush and there's little to worry about. You're talking like you're a top side who have won multiple trophies. You'll do well to get top 4.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...utation-jurgen-klopp-red-monday-a7366811.html

Expected a far more aggressive riposte from you - says it all really.

Rather than saying 'you didn't attack enough' you need to give your defenders more credit : Bailly, Smalling and Herrera as a DM were outstanding yesterday and De Gea world class (again). It was tough to get through a quality 10 man defence (Mourinho said it would be an 11 man defence so I guess he went with a little more attacking intent than he originally intended) however the fact it took two world class saves from De Gea says it all. Had he missed one of those you'd be singing a different song.

Also what is this 'ride out the initial 20 minute bum rush and there's little to worry about' BS ? If you had taken even the slightest notice of our performances this season you'd know that is about as far from the truth as it's possible to get in a football match. Here are our goal times FYI : 49, 45, 56, 63, 43, 13, 89, 31, 56, 17, 36, 17, 30, 71, 36, 52, 54, 84. So basically from 30 mins thru about 60 mins seems to be when we score the most often, not that we don't score in the opening 20 mins but it's not our most effective period. In some matches I suspect we've eased off hence the lower numbers in the final 30 mins.

 

[Fully Fledged]

DDG is there to make saves. What is wrong with that? You rather we play without a GK and then see if we win?

No and I agree he is there to make saves. Their goalkeeper didn't have to make any decent saves though. We had one tame shot on target.
The idea that we should have won because zlatan headed horribly wide when they had a couple
Of decent shots on target is laughable.

 

[LuisNaniencia]

The first 20-25 mins our passing was atrocious .. and not from pressure, it was just extremely inaccurate. SOme of that had to do with Can coming in for his first starting PL game of the season so it was understandable he was on another wave-length, however after 20-25 mins he settled down and so did the team. From then on, bar another 10 mins at the beginning of the second half when they seemed to need time to settle into a rhythm again, we dominated. But for De Gea proving what a world-class keeper he is with one stupendous save (low-down from Can) and one very fine save (top of his left from Coutinho) you'd have lost and nobody would be saying a good point won.

For the first 20 mins, due to our passing ineptitude, Mou's tactics and United's initial enthusiasm, it looked like United had come to play but even then whenever we got the ball United resorted to 10 men behind the ball. It seemed like we were playing against a relegation fodder team made up of stars rather than United, I've never seen a United team this negative, even under Moyes or LvG. It was however a typical Mou team when playing against a team he fears, in essence his tactics and team were totally anti-Liverpool and not designed in any way to play the United way or to their real strengths.

Fine if that is what the fans are willing to accept and fans can say that it's only while the team is in transition but you don't make that transition if you are reading from a defensive bible. The comments in this thread make grim reading ... happy with a point but not the style of play people want to see .... is repeated over and over. Do the United faithful really want to hear Mourinho say "This is a point that stopped them winning three," ?

As for us and dropping 2 points, we played a top team full of quality players, intent on nullifying us, and even then came close to winning it, we were totally dominant over the final 30 mins. So I'm disappointed not to win but still somewhat satisfied that that is how far we have come in one season under Klopp, that fear of our attacking play can now force United to adopt such a defensive posture and tactics. Starting this season without a single defeat to any of Arsenal (A), Spurs (A), Leicester (H), Chelsea (A) and United (H) ? Every Liverpool supporter would have taken that considering where we were over the previous 2 seasons.

I think your post is pretty disingenuous. New stand, Monday night under the lights, you're the in form team in the league and the media and bookies had you as strong favourites. An away draw at Anfield is a good result despite all those factors. If you've ever seen a Mourinho team you know that's how he plays away games against the big teams. Stop you scoring and try to grab a 1-0.

And your "chances", one was a 30 yarder and the other was a scuffed shot through a crowd of players. The real chance to win the game was the Ibra header.

 

[Rafateria]

If Zlatan had not fluffed his chance, we would have come back with 3 points and the plan would have worked to perfection. Not sure what made you think you "dominated". We pressured you and were the better team in the first half. Second half, we dropped deeper and let you play in front of us. That was a classic away game from us. Not sure what makes you think you deserved to win.

The fact you're only talking about one fluffed chance from Zlatan (as if strikers usually have a 100% record), the fact we had 66% possession and the fact that De Gea made two world class saves.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I am not saying it was Micheal Oliver kind of refereeing. But I would like to see refs maintain consistency at least in the context of the match. If he was showing restraint to dish out cards, he should have been kinder to Bailly. When a ref dishes out a card for a foul, he should set that standard for the match at least, Similar fouls would get booked. But we see Bailly get booked too easily. Then Pogba gets fouled much worse and it is ok.
No wonder Herrera and Young were pissed off.

That is it exactly, if you are going to book our players, then book their players for the same thing.

 

[Rafateria]

I think your post is pretty disingenuous. New stand, Monday night under the lights, you're the in form team in the league and the media and bookies had you as strong favourites. An away draw at Anfield is a good result despite all those factors. If you've ever seen a Mourinho team you know that's how he plays away games against the big teams. Stop you scoring and try to grab a 1-0.

And your "chances", one was a 30 yarder and the other was a scuffed shot through a crowd of players. The real chance to win the game was the Ibra header.

Yeah right, a single chance from Zlatan is all you had to show. Suggest you look at those 2 world class saves from De Gea again .. you seem to be the only one in the world dismissing them as anything other, now who's being disingenuous ?