I am. I'm okay with a point at Anfield, it's when we're drawing to fecking Stoke at home after missing a billion chances that concerns me. But yes Chelsea is a must win, they're not as good as you lot.
PL D FA Premier League
Liverpool 0:0 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Mon, 17 October 2016
I only watched the second half and it was all Liverpool. Saying that Liverpool were in some great form sweeping teams to the side and scoring goals for fun so for me this is a point gained and for them 2 points lost.
I would of taken a point before the game so I am pleased we have. Hopefully this will inject some confidence we obviously have been lacking. I was not a fan of the starting line up, very negative but it is what it is. After the Chelsea game we have some good games ahead and hopefully we can start kicking off in the right direction.
The key thing is we are only 5 points behind city so we are still in a shot for the league.
I would of taken a point before the game so I am pleased we have. Hopefully this will inject some confidence we obviously have been lacking. I was not a fan of the starting line up, very negative but it is what it is. After the Chelsea game we have some good games ahead and hopefully we can start kicking off in the right direction.
The key thing is we are only 5 points behind city so we are still in a shot for the league.
I thought that we needed to get four out of six from these two games so I agree. Dropping points against Stoke was a bad misstep. We would be one behind the last wonder of the world if we had beat them
We dealt with them much better than I expected, and yet I'm still disappointed.
Ok, we soaked them up, we had two incredible saves from De Gea and a great tackle from Valencia....but we offered so little else.
Zlatan looked isolated, as did all our attackers. Obviously because of how defensive we were, but it's not good enough. There needs to be more purpose moving from that defensive position towards the opposition goal if that's how we're going to play.
Ok, we soaked them up, we had two incredible saves from De Gea and a great tackle from Valencia....but we offered so little else.
Zlatan looked isolated, as did all our attackers. Obviously because of how defensive we were, but it's not good enough. There needs to be more purpose moving from that defensive position towards the opposition goal if that's how we're going to play.
We're pretty much yoyoing this season so far this season, started off high with 3 wins and Charity Shield win just for it to go to shit against City and then another shite loss at Watford, then to have a very good game against Leicester and disappointing and poor result against Stoke.
Today's game been a good game imo, I'm sure most of us would've taken a point before the game given the circumstances.
Plus I think that if we look at a bigger picture, things are starting to clear up a bit for us and are starting to fall into place at last. Getting rid of Rooney from the starting XI, Herrera as a holding midfielder, I hope we stay with Blind at LB, Smalling & Bailly at CB, if we can sort out Pogba and Zlatan's recent form then we'll be sound I guess. Hoping for Mkhitaryan's positive influence in some time too.
Work in progress, Pogba and Zlatan are our two best players but have been our worse performers in the last two games, that does not help and had they been on their game we'd be looking at 6 points from these last two. We're not as good as the top 4, no point being deluded about it, but considering Liverpool were heavy favourites tonight, a point is very satisfactory especially knowing that it pissed off Liverpool fans, the way in which it was achieved.
We look like we can be solid defensively which is a good start as it's so soon in Mourinho's reign, the next step will be to find a competent attack and to get Pogba and Zlatan playing properly.
Exactly.
From this disinterested point of view
Classic Mourinho making sure he doesn't lose, knowing he couldn't win
What this means for the title is probably already obvious
Man Utd are not contenders
Mourinho is playing for top 4
Too many players to move on (Rooney, Fellaini,
Ibra, etc)
Players to bring in.
Given where you lot are, he's doing the right thing.
But top 3 will be City, Arse and Spurs
Classic Mourinho making sure he doesn't lose, knowing he couldn't win
What this means for the title is probably already obvious
Man Utd are not contenders
Mourinho is playing for top 4
Too many players to move on (Rooney, Fellaini,
Ibra, etc)
Players to bring in.
Given where you lot are, he's doing the right thing.
But top 3 will be City, Arse and Spurs
People are being very harsh on Chelsea, in my opinion. I think part of it stems from how easily Arsenal dismantled them.
They'll be a tough test. I would be more confident in Chelsea beating United than Liverpool beating United, honestly.
They'll be a tough test. I would be more confident in Chelsea beating United than Liverpool beating United, honestly.
I am but if we say anything we will get told we are knee jerking and everything is fine.
I'm sorry but not as good as top 4? Absolutely no chance. We finished on the same points last year, one team has dropped off a chasm and we've spent record amounts!
Any lfc fan laughing at Utd fans for being happy with the draw...
There is six teams (seven if you include everton) going for four spots, so two teams have to lose out. I hope it isn't us, but someone big must lose out.
Sexond half was yours. But you couldn't score simple as. We couldn't score our one chance either, it was the type of header he's scored like two times already for us during his short United career.
It was a well deserved draw.
Our 5th place finish IMO was probably the most undeserving 5th place finish in the PL era. We were so so bad. It was a minor miracle we were able to finish that high to be honest. City and Arsenal have been better than us for a few years now, Liverpool and Spurs have an identity and style of play and have had time to progress and develop under managers. We've only just got Mourinho, our squad has had the most changes, it wont all turn on over night.
I'm usually bricking it whilst watching United play at Anfield. That was the easiest watch in about 30 odd I've ever seen.
Liverpool were poor compared to what was expected of them, and we were okayish. I felt we should have beat them at their own game and nicked a goal in that good first half an hour of pressure. After that the game was dull. A point will do though.
Liverpool were poor compared to what was expected of them, and we were okayish. I felt we should have beat them at their own game and nicked a goal in that good first half an hour of pressure. After that the game was dull. A point will do though.
For someone who is so disinterested in the club, you do seem to spend a lot of time telling us how awful we are....
Basically it's Mourinho's fault Klopp didn't get to play his fantastically, fluid, gegenpressenning football tonight.
We were solid defensively but lacked penetration going forward.
Hilarious isn't it? Another day in the life of a 'Charlton' fan.
The defense is solidified...and I like Herrera's role.
The rest (including Rashford, Ibra, Pogba, Martial and Rashford) is completely open for adjustments.
Ibra looks useless out of the box. Pogba really needs two additional mids so that he can roam.
Martial and Lingard are probably the best we have on the outside (including Rashford)
The team has no attacking identity at all. NONE.
I'd say frustrated with results which have put us significantly on the back foot rather than concerned at the form performance wise. The last 5 games could easily have been 10-15 points had a couple more things gone our way.
I'd add that we've barely seen Martial and Mkhitaryan yet this season who I think could significantly improve our attacking play once we settle on a best 11.
Slicker and more decisive in forward areas and we win that game.
Defence rock solid, midfield tenacious. We'll get there.
Defence rock solid, midfield tenacious. We'll get there.
I'm trying to decide whether that was a good point for United. Considering how we've been playing and how we've done against the other big sides so far, it probably is. The thing is that results like this are fine, but when they're put alongside a draw at home to Stoke and a loss at Watford then suddenly a point doesn't look as good, even if it is against one of your rivals. I suppose it depends on whether or not you think United will get better. If you beat Chelsea next week then four points from two away games against Liverpool and them looks pretty good.
I think it's ok for us but only if we get back to winning ways next week. We shouldn't be letting one bad game disrupt our confidence going forward.
I think it's ok for us but only if we get back to winning ways next week. We shouldn't be letting one bad game disrupt our confidence going forward.
Time will tell, I guess. If we beat West Brom next week and they fail to get three points at the Bridge, I'll be happy with this point. It was Mourinho tonight after all, it was never going to be a straightforward win. Let's just hope Wijnaldum and Lallana are back next week, Sturridge shouldn't be starting games for us anymore.
Yeah you'd think Mkhitaryan will improve you more if Mourinho can get him into the side. I don't think he likes him for games like tonight though. Young and Rashford were so disciplined defensively that it made it impossible for us to see any space, although we never seemed to get going in the first half. Mkhitaryan is one for games like Sunderland, Hull and other sides down the bottom.
Keep reaching, lads. Hypothetical future results are irrelevant to which team/fans should be more pleased with tonight's result.
I'm more looking at it in blocks. First block was with Rooney and Fellaini starting, which had a few wins but then 2 shit losses. Since then, we beat Leicester and got unlucky against Stoke where by the chances we really should've won like 5-0. Today was at Anfield which is always decent enough to draw. Chelsea away isn't a must win, formula is always to draw the big away games and then win the home games and win what you should win. With 30 games left in the season, a draw away to Chelsea would be fine especially if we follow that with playing consistently and getting the results we should.
How an away draw to our bitter rivals can be considered anything but a positive is beyond me.
They created nothing at home with the shiny new stand. In the first half we looked like our game plan was working flawlessly.
I wa almost laughing my arse off when Lallana was brought on to win them the game. Utter madness.
Happy with the point and progress under Jose.
They created nothing at home with the shiny new stand. In the first half we looked like our game plan was working flawlessly.
I wa almost laughing my arse off when Lallana was brought on to win them the game. Utter madness.
Happy with the point and progress under Jose.
Agreed on Sturridge. His pace has gone and he seems to play with his back to goal more often than not. Can was useless as well for the most part. Wijnaldum and Lallana are always looking forward but Can looked like he needed three touches just to control the ball. Make or break season for him possibly. Hopefully we beat West Brom and all will be well but you know Pullis isn't going to be very ambitious either.
Do you feel like we're lacking an out and out striker at the moment? Origi hasn't really got going this season, Sturridge looks awful and Ings is on the outskirts. I feel like we do need a goal scorer.
I'm willing to give keepers time but Karius needs to sort himself out. The pass to Pogba was awful and he flaps at crosses all the time. Frustrating game for us.
Lallana did influence the game though. We looked a much better team when he came on. We just weren't at it in the final third in the second half.
They're definitely relevant. Our win against Arsenal meant nothing because we lost to fecking Burnley next week. If you mean that United should be happy with a point at Anfield, tonight and in general, then I definitely agree with you. A point away to a rival is always nice. I'm merely pointing out that a point tonight will become acceptable for us if and only if we win against West Brom next week. If you ignore context, the away team in a clash like this should always be more pleased with a point than the home team.
Not sure about the striker situation - I'm happy with Firmino up top and I think Ings and even Origi can do a job as well in that position. Especially the Ings situation is a weird one, he keeps banging them in for the U23s but still isn't selected for the bench.
Agreed on Karius. I keep telling all my Belgian friends how he's definitely an upgrade on Mignolet (who wouldn't) but he's making it so much harder with performances like tonight. I haven't seen enough of him to judge his actual goalkeeping skills but his football is suspect at the moment. Luckily it hasn't cost us yet but he needs to sort that out asap.
Agree. Not much, but it's always good to know your back 5. This was the one game where I thought Blind might struggle at LB, but he was mostly fine. So we can be pretty certain that, injuries/suspensions aside, we'll line up with Valencia, Bailly, Smalling, Blind at the back. A good situation with Shaw, Rojo, Darmian (until January), TFM, and Tuanzebe for defensive cover.
Mkhitaryan is the one player who could transform our attack. If he can recapture the form he showed last year (has to play first), then we'll look a lot better up top.
Enjoyed watching Klopp struggling to explain in post match interview why his team couldn't perform....you got schooled by Jose mate!
Obviously Ander was superb, this new role has been a superb switch. Bailly looked v solid, yet again.
Zlatan was average, granted he was also pretty isolated, but should have a scored that chance.
I thought Pogba was decent in the second half. Definitely not getting hysterical about him or the team.
Get a win against Fenerbhace and go to the Bridge with another disciplined performance, and hopefully Zlatan finds the net this time!
Obviously Ander was superb, this new role has been a superb switch. Bailly looked v solid, yet again.
Zlatan was average, granted he was also pretty isolated, but should have a scored that chance.
I thought Pogba was decent in the second half. Definitely not getting hysterical about him or the team.
Get a win against Fenerbhace and go to the Bridge with another disciplined performance, and hopefully Zlatan finds the net this time!
Well it depends if you thought that we could be got at or not. Considering how weak we are from set pieces, I'm surprised we didn't face more of an aerial threat from you. Over the course of the season this could be a very good result for United as others have said, but then if you lose at Chelsea and the teams above you win then it starts to look a bit bleak.
If you're confident United will get there under Mourinho then you're entitled to take this as a good result.
Yeah I find the Ings thing weird as well. Sturridge and Origi haven't even scored in the league and yet Ings who works as hard as anyone up top doesn't get a look in.
I know he will cost us at some point. I want him to keep playing to build up his confidence but sometimes I think that Mignolet would be doing some of the basics better than Karius is at the minute.
I am not least worried about Jose. He always compete in his second season. He will know his best team and buy reinforcement in the summer. This draw is a good point, it stops Liverpool's momentum which is a good thing. I don't want to see Liverpool win another title. I hope that we can go on a run of wins starting Chelsea away.
Came with a plan, executed it well. Can't complain about that. Looking at the big picture, losing two points at Anfield is not the end of the world, considering most team will lose points there.
Herrera, Bailly, Smalling, and even Valencia and Fellaini did a solid job. Zlatan and Pogba were too isolated up top, we really missed that body up there who could help with the link up play.
Liverpool were absolutely knackered towards the end, going down with cramps like it is the end of April. They will run out of steam come February, and like every other Klopp team, they will get the applauds for the high pressing game, but will finish empty handed come May.
Herrera, Bailly, Smalling, and even Valencia and Fellaini did a solid job. Zlatan and Pogba were too isolated up top, we really missed that body up there who could help with the link up play.
Liverpool were absolutely knackered towards the end, going down with cramps like it is the end of April. They will run out of steam come February, and like every other Klopp team, they will get the applauds for the high pressing game, but will finish empty handed come May.
Just to add some context, Coutinho and Firmino had been away with Brazil on international duty so I think that may have had something to do with it, considering they were two of the players pulling up with cramp. I think Rashford and Milner were the other two, although I wasn't sure if they were injuries or not.
The only thing that was positive about that game was it was a team performance. We should have kicked on from the first half and tried to commit a bit more ourselves, their keeper was dodgy under pressure and a bit more forward momentum might have resulted in something for us. We played to stifle a Liverpool team that was flying in previous games but didn't react in the game and let them back into it.
Still trying to figure out our best line up, everyone is supposedly fit and hopefully we can get some game time for the players out of the team and get a nucleus of players who can perform week in and out.
Still trying to figure out our best line up, everyone is supposedly fit and hopefully we can get some game time for the players out of the team and get a nucleus of players who can perform week in and out.
Good performance for 30 minutes of the first half and about half of the second. The rest we were too panicky on the ball and we seemed to tire really badly towards the end. Not entirely sure why Young stayed on all game when he was clearly dead by about 65 minutes...that started to affect us badly as he was a non entity.
People trotting out the parking the bus line or making out like it's a poor result...but Liverpool seemed to be expecting to just roll us over and it never looked like happening. They'll resort to putting some silly spin on it being a positive result or performance now but as Anfield games go that was pretty tame from them, and was also the first time this season we've shown the resilience and sharpness required to get where we want to be. We looked determined and organised, and alert. It would have taken either luck or a very good performance to beat us. It didn't take a good performance for Watford to beat us and we didn't look resilient or alert against City.
The disappointment was going forwards. We were too wasteful in good positions and Zlatan I'm afraid was absolutely fecking shite again. A decent striker wins us that game. He spent the game fumbling about like an oaf fouling people and giving the ball away too cheaply, had a goal put on a plate for him and didn't even threaten to score it, then spent the last 20 minutes seemingly just strolling about. Fellaini could have played up front and put in the same performance without it being a surprise. Once Liverpool got to grips in the middle we also needed someone who coould hold onto possession and I don't think he did it a single time. Not good enough really for someone who thinks they're the bollocks. Not even close. It's been the norm from him thus far. Goals only keep masking things if you keep scoring them.
Just alll in all we never looked like winning, and we had enough of the game in the first half especially for that not to have been the case. Liverpool once they eventually did get hold of the gme, did look like winning, just not for long enough to claim they deserved to.
People trotting out the parking the bus line or making out like it's a poor result...but Liverpool seemed to be expecting to just roll us over and it never looked like happening. They'll resort to putting some silly spin on it being a positive result or performance now but as Anfield games go that was pretty tame from them, and was also the first time this season we've shown the resilience and sharpness required to get where we want to be. We looked determined and organised, and alert. It would have taken either luck or a very good performance to beat us. It didn't take a good performance for Watford to beat us and we didn't look resilient or alert against City.
The disappointment was going forwards. We were too wasteful in good positions and Zlatan I'm afraid was absolutely fecking shite again. A decent striker wins us that game. He spent the game fumbling about like an oaf fouling people and giving the ball away too cheaply, had a goal put on a plate for him and didn't even threaten to score it, then spent the last 20 minutes seemingly just strolling about. Fellaini could have played up front and put in the same performance without it being a surprise. Once Liverpool got to grips in the middle we also needed someone who coould hold onto possession and I don't think he did it a single time. Not good enough really for someone who thinks they're the bollocks. Not even close. It's been the norm from him thus far. Goals only keep masking things if you keep scoring them.
Just alll in all we never looked like winning, and we had enough of the game in the first half especially for that not to have been the case. Liverpool once they eventually did get hold of the gme, did look like winning, just not for long enough to claim they deserved to.
Interesting that Tony Marshall wasn't even on the bench tonight.
Was this injury related?
Was this injury related?
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- Man Utd win
- Liverpool win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 19% Liverpool 1:2 Man Utd
- 10% Liverpool 3:1 Man Utd
- 9% Liverpool 2:1 Man Utd
- 9% Liverpool 1:1 Man Utd
- 8% Liverpool 2:2 Man Utd
- 7% Liverpool 2:0 Man Utd
- 6% Liverpool 0:1 Man Utd
- 5% Liverpool 3:0 Man Utd
- 5% Liverpool 1:3 Man Utd
- 4% Liverpool 0:2 Man Utd
- 3% Liverpool 2:3 Man Utd
- 3% Liverpool 0:0 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 0:3 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 0:5 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 3:2 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 4:1 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 4:0 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 2:4 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 1:0 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 1:4 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 1:5 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 5:1 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 4:5 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 3:3 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 4:2 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 0:4 Man Utd
- 0% Liverpool 4:3 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Liverpool
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 65% 35%
- Shots
- 9 7
- Shots on Target
- 3 1
- Corners
- 3 1
- Fouls
- 14 20
Referee
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