[Charlie Foley]

What is that Cantona song United fans keep singing at every game - home or away? It is fecking infuriating. Those songs of long gone glories can wait when the team is winning 3-0 or something. Against West Ham in the league too when United were fired up and had them on the ropes, instead of urging the players on, they kept singing the Cantona song.

If it isn't a Cantona song but instead is some song to motivate the players, I am going to have some serious egg on my face. fecking furious with today's result, a snapshot of everything that is wrong with the club.

 

[Rob67]

I guess when I mentioned the 'hard plastic sex toy' part there was always going to be one or two fans aggressively turned on by that part. I am sorry for turning you on by mentioning that part. My bad.

No problem. Don't do it again.

 

[Champagne Football]

No problem. Don't do it again.

 

[Kraftwerker]

Amazing how quick I get over poor results these days. Damn conditioning!

Another game to confine to history's dustbin.

 

[The Brown Bull]

What absolute muck that was.
Compare it to City/Chelsea yesterday to see how far off we are.
Bah!

 

[Reggie74]

It is when we're in the form we're in now. It's another must win that we fecked up yet again.

What's more annoying is that it could have easily been avoidable.

Correct. The draw is a poor result with the amount of money spent on this squad. Our tactics are bewildering.

 

[iKeano]

i would put it down to a defensive substitution had he brought Bailley on, but any use of Fellaini at any position not of any game ever, is a defensive grenade.
How many times is Jose going to punish us by employing that lumbering, briandead clown?

 

[VorZakone]

Seems like SAF was a genius after all :-)

Were you in doubt?

 

[Tosicsleftpeg]

Poor performance apart from first 15 mins of the second half. I thought Everton looked a shadow of their usual selves and we still succumbed it was poor.

You don't need to defend deep against a team like that they had nothing to worry us all game then we sat back and have their crap players a chance to have a bit of space making it easy for them to lump it into the box.

Bad tactical approach in general but thought the Fellaini sub made sense as Everton kept lumping ball into lukaku!

 

[MattyB1986]

Sloppy passing all game....

But the thing I noticed which a lot have already mentioned is we stopped playing and sat back on 70 mins. No coincidence we keep drawing we haven't got a good enough defence to do that.
Also another thing is why the hell did we take our counter attack threat off and bring on 2 slow as feck players on? If you wanted to bring the useless tree on take Carrick off he looked shot after 65 mins.. Ugh, so infuriating.

 

[dave1956]

Let's look at the game from another angle. The manager briefs his tactics and sets the team accordingly.

After a period of time, in this case around the 65th minute things are not working as the tactics suggest. The defence drops deeper and Everton begin to press higher than expected.

The manager on the side lines has only a limited ability to change this, either through directions from the touch line or calculated substitutions. ( Which in this and other games did not apparently work, i.e. points lost ). This is the time for a leader to step forward, ( normally the captain ) and take responsibility for changing the game plan as necessary to ensure that the game is won. Whether or not his fellow team mates feel upset at being shouted at or dictated too should not enter the equation. Unfortunately we have for sometime not had such a personality on the field either as captain or team member. A player who can read the game and take it by the scruff of the neck and change things regardless of the manager's pre-match briefings when things are not working out.

We lack leadership on the actually field of play. A man who will take responsibility for his actions and decisions whether right or wrong, who is prepared to upset fellow players by telling them that they are not playing well enough or making bad decisions.

I do not want a captain who is popular in the dressing room, I want a captain who is strong on the field and prepared to be change things, direct play and stand his corner. We lack direction and leadership on the field when play is not going accordingly to the pre-match plan. Had we had such leadership today and in other games I believe that more games would have ended I in our favour.

 

[Full bodied red]

Before the match I would have taken a draw.

Still feels like a beating, though.

Just can't get myself to believe that after the amount of money we've spent and the amount we pay in wages that we really are as piss poor as we have been for almost 30 years....Something seriously, seriously wrong these days....

 

[dwd]

I'm as angry as I was six hours ago.

 

[Hahao]

Let's look at the game from another angle. The manager briefs his tactics and sets the team accordingly.

After a period of time, in this case around the 65th minute things are not working as the tactics suggest. The defence drops deeper and Everton begin to press higher than expected.

The manager on the side lines has only a limited ability to change this, either through directions from the touch line or calculated substitutions. ( Which in this and other games did not apparently work, i.e. points lost ). This is the time for a leader to step forward, ( normally the captain ) and take responsibility for changing the game plan as necessary to ensure that the game is won. Whether or not his fellow team mates feel upset at being shouted at or dictated too should not enter the equation. Unfortunately we have for sometime not had such a personality on the field either as captain or team member. A player who can read the game and take it by the scruff of the neck and change things regardless of the manager's pre-match briefings when things are not working out.

We lack leadership on the actually field of play. A man who will take responsibility for his actions and decisions whether right or wrong, who is prepared to upset fellow players by telling them that they are not playing well enough or making bad decisions.

I do not want a captain who is popular in the dressing room, I want a captain who is strong on the field and prepared to be change things, direct play and stand his corner. We lack direction and leadership on the field when play is not going accordingly to the pre-match plan. Had we had such leadership today and in other games I believe that more games would have ended I in our favour.

Schweinsteiger is exactly the player you are describing.

 

[nore1975]

I think defensively Utd are quite solid. Bar Fellaini's inexplicable brain fart ye were fine at the back. That's the first building block for any successful team. Utd are becoming hard to beat. You've only lost 3 from 14 league games. Not conceeded more than 2 goals in any games save away to Chelsea and Watford. Leaving out Fellaini you could have named quite a strong completely different 11 to those who lined out against Everton so the squad is strong. Phil Jones looks to be back to his best and he and Rojo seem a decent partnership though its early days. Lets say you go with a midfield trio of Herrera, Pogba and Miki, then all you really need is two more forwards along side Martial and you'll have a team capable of making serious inroads on the title.
Jose is definitely on the right track.

 

[Saxman]

I guess when I mentioned the 'hard plastic sex toy' part there was always going to be one or two fans aggressively turned on by that part. I am sorry for turning you on by mentioning that part. My bad.

Lmao

 

[NextSeason]

Massive blow today. Really wanted all 3 points with City and Liverpool losing this weekend.

Thought we shaded the first half and perhaps deserved the lead for it. The way we scored felt like it could have been a turning point for our recent luck with the way it went in. Rojo should have seen red but then so should have Barry for 2 yellow cards.

Before we scored, I felt like the game was crying for Mata as we were lacking quality in the final third. We obviously got the goal and Jose decided to protect that which was an obvious mistake to me as we would just invite pressure on ourselves. Can understand why he brought on Fellani and tbh I was so convinced we would concede anyway, I didn't even have the energy to get angry with Fellani for his stupidity.

Disagree with Jose that we dominated the game today and deserved to win like our other recent draws. Everton deserved their point over the course of the game.

I only gave up on the title after the Arsenal game and now I think top 4 is gone. If we didn't draw the last 2 games then we could have afforded a draw today I feel.

Still, long way to go so will just continue supporting the team and see what happens. At least our style of play has improved massively on the last few years of muck.

 

[bond19821982]

a point at goodison park is always a good return. We have been playing well for sometime so one bad game is acceptable. Its just that we didn't manage to get 3 points against 4 home matches where we deserved to win.

Need proper runners and we hardly had anyone today. Martial was a defensive winger while Pogba was completely invisible. I actually thought the Fellaini sub made sense since they were lumping balls to the box and we lacked height there.

The season is gone. Go all out on EL. To do that, we first need a draw on Thursday

 

[The BlackGaijin]

I was in love with the idea of Zlatan for a year or two as Rashford grows but I have to say that experiment is not going well. I watched Costa and Aguero over the weekend. They lead the team going forward creating space for the midfielders dragging the defenders out of position. I would argue we need a top striker more than a defender or midfielder. Zlatan has never been fast but he was never this slow.

Ps. this was Mourinho’s fault. He made that sub; he played Zlatan all game and left Mata on the bench

 

[Client6]

What? The Cantona chant has been around for ages, it's practically a Christmas tradition at this point.

If players are that bothered that fans aren't chanting their names then maybe they shouldn't be playing football in the first place.

I think our away fans are incredible but personally I'm not mad on the singing songs for players who are no longer here. Sure it's nice that they remember them and all that but it does nothing for the current crop of players we have here. Each to their own though.

That song is sang every year around Christmas. So there's an egg on your face.

12 Cantona's is a Christmas tradition though and has been around for a lot longer than many fans by the sounds of it. Complaining about it is rather daft and also shows a lack of understanding of the club and history imho, especially as it has been sung every single game from November to January every year for the last 20 years.

What the feck is this !!!! How long you been a United fan 5 minutes !!!!

FFS calm down! I don't have a problem with the chant nor with the match going fans. And I am not even blaming the fans one tiny bit for any of the results. I just think singing that one song can be supplemented by more, especially when the team needs that push???

You can always travel with our away fans and start up a few different songs if it bothers you?

If I could, I certainly would try. Working toward saving up for the trip. Again, no problem with the chant, just thought more would be better.

 

[Freak]

Feck off Fellaini. Too many individual mistakes costing us. First Rashford against Arsenal now this donkey Fellaini against Everton.

 

[204Red]

I think Zlatan is playing fairly well at the moment... and taking him off would have been a poor choice.

Ironically bringing on Felliani wasn't so bad in theory (he is under rated defensively on here - although Blind would have been a miles better choice.

Herrera looked knackered and clueless in the last 15 mins - Should have been subbed.

Martial was actually playing fairly well defensively in the 2nd half - Should have stayed on... Rashford offers little defensively (see Arsenal Match)

Carrick - looked off the pace in the last 20mins - would have been nice to see Bastian come on for him

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

It's more the viva Ronaldo and yip Jaap Stam ones that irk me a bit.

I haven't been for 3 years as I'm overseas and only went 3-10 games a season (half home, half away) and never heard the Stam song after he left. Are old songs on the rise?

 

[Terminator]

Jose will never learn. We handed the game to them on a silver platter and they needed fricking Fellaini to step up for them.

 

[doodle]

This club is fuked. I just hope we have no europa football next season.

 

[Nakhon Phanom]

You forget Fellaini is an impact player.........in the few minutes he was on the pitch he gave away a penalty,got booked for arguing with the ref and kicked the ball out of play when in a good attacking position.
He's only on about 130k GBP per week,so don't be so harsh on him !

 

[RedDevil@84]

Silver lining here, no chance Fellaini ever plays again IMO. Maybe just wishful thinking, who knows with Jose, he might stick with him just to stick it to the critics but realistically, this practically ensures Fellaini won't play again. I hope, I hope.

Not gonna happen. Fellaini has been clumsy for too long. Yet managers think he can defend.

 

[marukomu]

Let's forget about catching the teams above us. They are all better than us. What we need to do is get our team playing well so we can challenge next season.

 

[RedDevil@84]

I think Zlatan is playing fairly well at the moment... and taking him off would have been a poor choice.

Ironically bringing on Felliani wasn't so bad in theory (he is under rated defensively on here - although Blind would have been a miles better choice.

Herrera looked knackered and clueless in the last 15 mins - Should have been subbed.

Martial was actually playing fairly well defensively in the 2nd half - Should have stayed on... Rashford offers little defensively (see Arsenal Match)

Carrick - looked off the pace in the last 20mins - would have been nice to see Bastian come on for him

He is clumsy. Ha a very high probability of giving away fouls. I don't think he is under-rated for his defensive skills here.
Agree that people calling him brainless are probably going OTT. But not the ones calling him a defensive disaster

 

[marukomu]

That Gana bloke is pretty good.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Mata is not a winger.
Pogba is not a number ten.
Felliani is not a footballer.
Mou took his own time to learn some of the things that we knew already. But yesterday wasn't his fault. I cannot blame him while felliani did a donkey. His job was to stand there and let the other 10 players kick the ball about. And he screwed it all up by obstructing a home team in a penalty box that's trying to get an equalizer.
And then argue to the referree to over turn it (when the hell that ever happened) and then get booking. After that he also misplaced few passes unforced. You see the pattern I'm trying to establish here? We got ourself a taller crappier rooney boys. This gonna be a long season.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

44 people voted felliani as a man of the match. My people!! Twats! Own up! I know I did

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Let's look at the game from another angle. The manager briefs his tactics and sets the team accordingly.

After a period of time, in this case around the 65th minute things are not working as the tactics suggest. The defence drops deeper and Everton begin to press higher than expected.

The manager on the side lines has only a limited ability to change this, either through directions from the touch line or calculated substitutions. ( Which in this and other games did not apparently work, i.e. points lost ). This is the time for a leader to step forward, ( normally the captain ) and take responsibility for changing the game plan as necessary to ensure that the game is won. Whether or not his fellow team mates feel upset at being shouted at or dictated too should not enter the equation. Unfortunately we have for sometime not had such a personality on the field either as captain or team member. A player who can read the game and take it by the scruff of the neck and change things regardless of the manager's pre-match briefings when things are not working out.

We lack leadership on the actually field of play. A man who will take responsibility for his actions and decisions whether right or wrong, who is prepared to upset fellow players by telling them that they are not playing well enough or making bad decisions.

I do not want a captain who is popular in the dressing room, I want a captain who is strong on the field and prepared to be change things, direct play and stand his corner. We lack direction and leadership on the field when play is not going accordingly to the pre-match plan. Had we had such leadership today and in other games I believe that more games would have ended I in our favour.

Fair points. Although what "leadership" does Liverpool squad has that we don't have on the pitch. My god, I'm going back and fro supporting mourinho and dissing him. It has begun..!

 

[RedDevil@84]

44 people voted felliani as a man of the match. My people!! Twats! Own up! I know I did

To be fair, he changed the course of the match

 

[Pavl3n]

I can't put too much blame on Mou.
His plan was working for the most of the game. Don't change it if it's working.
However that Rash/Martial sub could've happened earlier. Try to hit them on the counter a bit earlier. May be Mata should've stepped on the pitch for Pogba, who was wasteful. Mata has the quality to keep possession and find a teammate in space. Pogba has the latter one too, but he couldn't keep the ball to save His life in that second half.
With 5 min to go, expecting everything to be ballooned into the box, I understand what he had in mind bringing that clown. However, I hope next time he brings a center half. Bailly would've done a better job.
Gutted. Not a game that we didn't lose, but a game we didn't win.

 

[Roosney]

I don't get why we dropped so deep so early. We had the game under control, basically got what we asked for.

 

[Sarni]

We need to focus on Europa League as that is IMO our only route to CL for next season.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Its sad how on par with everton we looked yesterday when Chelsea basically tore them a new one, we still have a long way to go.

 

[RooneyLegend]

We need to focus on Europa League as that is IMO our only route to CL for next season.

We need to focus on building a future great side rather than qualifying for a competition we're in no shape to be competing for. Feels like a spurs tendency.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

i would put it down to a defensive substitution had he brought Bailley on, but any use of Fellaini at any position not of any game ever, is a defensive grenade.
How many times is Jose going to punish us by employing that lumbering, briandead clown?

But we were also poor beforehand so...