Agree with this. We needed a Keano to snarl at whoever misplaced a pass. Carrick was very disappointing in this. THE most important player to buy is a Captain.
PL D FA Premier League
Everton 1:1 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 04 December 2016
Our lack of composure when sitting on leads is worrying, our defenders didn't really play badly yday but even when we are winning comfortably we always seem to leak a goal. It's what may cost us another top 4 finish.
Mou is to blame...
His subs yesterday are everything I had doubts about when we got him. Zlatan didn't offer shit second half and Rashford should have been on for him. Pogba should have been off for Blind or Mata.
What I don't get is when we lead he never uses pace as a wepon for counter attacking. Normally it stops CB coming higher up the pitch to put pressure and retaining the ball and brings the defending team deeper. This isn't right and never works for us. Until he starts subbing Zlatan and Pogba we will keep on fecking this up. Use the fecking pace man and never ever use that fecking useless git Fellaini again.
His subs yesterday are everything I had doubts about when we got him. Zlatan didn't offer shit second half and Rashford should have been on for him. Pogba should have been off for Blind or Mata.
What I don't get is when we lead he never uses pace as a wepon for counter attacking. Normally it stops CB coming higher up the pitch to put pressure and retaining the ball and brings the defending team deeper. This isn't right and never works for us. Until he starts subbing Zlatan and Pogba we will keep on fecking this up. Use the fecking pace man and never ever use that fecking useless git Fellaini again.
Schweinsteiger done more in 5 minutes on wednesday that Fellaini has done all season.. No Idea why Fellaini is always involved, surely we have better midfielders. Although it is not entirely his fault ( the pen was not a pen IMO, the ball had gone away from the player) and we always seems to just sit back absorb in the last 15 minutes. Play like this next week and Spurs will batter us! We need to be more clinical, we have dropped 10 points in games where simply could not finish after doing everything else right ( Stoke, Burnley, Arsenal, West Ham and now Everton). We would be in a decent position if we were more clinical!!
Mourinho got it completely wrong yesterday by bringing Fellaini on, he brought him on to defend a lead but what justifies that? what qualities does he have that will help us defend the lead? Bring on Lingard or Mata who have forward thinking mentalities and will run the ball into the corner and kill time. Fellaini is supposed to be good in the air but he really isn't any good and always loses out to someone that can actually leap and header the ball.
Feel for De Gea to be honest...
Mourinho got it completely wrong yesterday by bringing Fellaini on, he brought him on to defend a lead but what justifies that? what qualities does he have that will help us defend the lead? Bring on Lingard or Mata who have forward thinking mentalities and will run the ball into the corner and kill time. Fellaini is supposed to be good in the air but he really isn't any good and always loses out to someone that can actually leap and header the ball.
Feel for De Gea to be honest...
Got to beat rubbish like that, Simple as. They were utterly clueless until the 70th minute when we decided to stop playing yet again. Did anyone actually think we were going to hold out?
% starting to melt faster then i tho
I too thought we went defensive too soon. Everton really seemed to be there for the taking yesterday, we should have got the second to kill them off. And soon as we decided to sit back, their players and the crowd became up for it and the worrying thing is, had there been another 10 minutes they might have gone on to win it. Very difficult for us to get back on the front foot after sitting deep for the last 20 minutes, and though I expected Everton to have a spell, I didn't think we'd drop quite so deep.
Losing out on $100m or so next season by not qualifying for CL will not really work well for our future either, will it? $60m or so for just being in the competition, $25m we will lose on Adidas kit deal (I think the reduced value will also stay for future so it's $100m or so we will lose there) and some more money we would lose due to not being in the elite. It's absolutely essential that we are in CL if we are going to build any sort of future.
lol!
This has to come to an end, what will it take to put a team away or to hang on to a lead for the love of all that's holy!
yes true for the last few league games but this one was different. We did not look in trouble even when Everton had their first shot on target late in the game. You can't account for the dive for the penalty or Fellaini being a mindless moron to even fall for it and allow the ref to make a decision either way.
Mkhitaryan motm?! He was completely anonymous.. But I suppose no one really stood out yesterday... I'm actually becoming desensitized to these performances now - I can't remember the last time we played good football..
Simple:
Keep possession FIRST and keep closing down when they have possession … FOR 90 MINUTES!
The second we sit off "any" opponent and invite them on, without closing them down we risk them scoring (or conceding a stupid penalty)!
Opponents expend far more energy defending aggressively than we ever do while we are pushing the ball around the back four and probing forward. Why not keep that up for 90 minutes once we have a goal … who knows (here's a crazy thought) we might even get another one????
Keep possession FIRST and keep closing down when they have possession … FOR 90 MINUTES!
The second we sit off "any" opponent and invite them on, without closing them down we risk them scoring (or conceding a stupid penalty)!
Opponents expend far more energy defending aggressively than we ever do while we are pushing the ball around the back four and probing forward. Why not keep that up for 90 minutes once we have a goal … who knows (here's a crazy thought) we might even get another one????
You forget Fellaini is an impact player.........in the few minutes he was on the pitch he gave away a penalty,got booked for arguing with the ref and kicked the ball out of play when in a good attacking position.
He's only on about 130k GBP per week,so don't be so harsh on him !
I stated in this thread, that Fellaini was the MOTM. He completely changed the outcome of the match and he managed to do this in only a few minutes. That was some performance he put in.
For me, the worst part about a result like that is how I have to avoid all social media, newspapers, articles etc. until our next match. Hell I even avoid the football section on this forum.
Err, I thought excessive possession was one the main reasons why most wanted LVG out? But I do agree with your point in general, it's just that we're nowhere near a team that can do both (that'd be Pep's Barca). Even during LVG era, our most exciting games were ones that we didn't have a large majority of possession.
Nope ;-)
I don't think we did this on purpose.
Everton raised their game in the last 20 minutes. The tempo was extremely high and our own players could not handle such power/pace/aggression. Whether this was because they were tired, I'm not sure.
Jose saw this and decided to sub off our tired players. He said he chose Fellaini because Everton (in every game they are chasing), start using the long ball tactic. So Fellaini, being tall, would be good to deal with headers.
surely Fellaini cannot play another game for us. Mourinho has been ruthless in his treatment of players such as Smalling, Shaw, Mickey Tiernan, Schweinsteiger. Lets see how ruthless he is with Fellaini, did you see that pass he played that went straight out when we are chasing a game in the latter stages. I don't care what anyone says, but Fellaini is no defensive mid, he's a target man in a struggling team. He's too clumsy and gives away needless free kicks to be anywhere near his own teams penalty area. Hopefully a Swansea or a Hull put a bid in Jan for him
Too many knee jerkers around here. We played well in a tough away game. The afro should not play for us anymore and Mou should not have brought him on as Everton was not bombarding us with aerial attacks.
It was ironic that three of Everton's most dangerous players - Coleman, Bolasie and Lukaka - were either injured or ineffective when they had their most dangerous spell in the game.
But I expected nothing less but a capitulation from our team. Didn't think we'd beat West Ham either. Now, with Spurs at home and two ugly looking trips to Palace and West Brom coming up, does anybody really think this side can go on a 'run' or get into the top four?
The league form is going to get much worse before it gets better.
The manager has to take the rap for his constant time-wasting tactics and other negative tactical changes. He caved into sentimentality by bringing Fellaini on; to reward the 'big man' so he might be able to leave Goodison as a winner. It backfired spectacularly, as most of his substitutions do these days.
That said, he needs to see this difficult period through. But two defeats out of the next three, which are distinctly possible, and he'll be under the kind of pressure he had at the Bridge last year.
And rightly so.
But I expected nothing less but a capitulation from our team. Didn't think we'd beat West Ham either. Now, with Spurs at home and two ugly looking trips to Palace and West Brom coming up, does anybody really think this side can go on a 'run' or get into the top four?
The league form is going to get much worse before it gets better.
The manager has to take the rap for his constant time-wasting tactics and other negative tactical changes. He caved into sentimentality by bringing Fellaini on; to reward the 'big man' so he might be able to leave Goodison as a winner. It backfired spectacularly, as most of his substitutions do these days.
That said, he needs to see this difficult period through. But two defeats out of the next three, which are distinctly possible, and he'll be under the kind of pressure he had at the Bridge last year.
And rightly so.
But we didn't lose all shape & game plan (which we do EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. that tall idiot comes onto the pitch). We didn't have clumsy, foolish, awkward players unable to control their extremities before he came on the pitch.
His first act against West Ham was a lumbering circular pointless run around the pitch, before getting booked for a needless foul. Fast forward to yesterday, same thing, first impact on the game is a foul and a yellow.
He is absolute dirt & shame on José for entertaining him.
That's an insult to struggling teams! If he turned up at 5-a-side he'd be booted out after one session for persistent elbowing and being completely sh1t!
This comment sums up the CAF at the mo!Erm. You have just described LVG's philosophy.
LVG, is that you?
All our hard work ruined by one mistake. Again we don't finish teams off when we are on top. I could see it happening. 4-0 in the cup and then a draw at the weekend anyone?
We're a big enough club to take such financial hits and still be considered a financial behemoth. We've thrown money around in the market and yet it hasn't helped us at all, instead we seem to be getting worse. Our idea on buying success clearly hasn't worked and instead we need to have a clear plan on reaching the peak of the European club football scene.
Losing more than 10% of our revenue will not be insignificant though and will seriously impact our income. It's a closed circle, we will need to invest money to get back to the top - amazingly we still need to do that, despite spending hundreds of millions.
That is near impossible to do unless your entire team is on juice. Even the best teams in the world at that do have moments in the game when their pressure decreases.
Damn. That's harsh.
At OT we are pretty strong and put 4 past West Ham, only a few days prior.
by the way, the chick that was caught on tv:
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Think people are overrating Mkhi's performance. He was decent. Industrious and at least tried to create something but it didn't really happen for him. Thought Herrera, Carrick and Jones were all much better. Rojo was good too other than that horror tackle.
Yes and they were either idiots or talking out of frustration. Possession and threat up front are not mutually exclusive as proven by the majority of the best teams over the years. There simply is a tendency to write off everything about a regime if said regime was not successful. You see it in sports, politics, ... etc. Black and white binary thinking and so on.
Harsh but true.
As he said, Everton played direct and Fellaini is good in the air. I believe Jose is quoted as saying "when he team plays direct, you bring on a good header to sit in front of the defence. Not that I agree, that is just his explanation.
But we did put a lot of pressure on the opposition to force mistakes when we were without possession. Under each of our last 4 managers we have suffered from standing off, eventually committing a stupid foul and being penalized. When we see teams park the bus against us, the fighting to the death to save a point or keep their victory is incomparable to our defending most of the time. Always feels like we don't understand backs to the wall and fight.
Before Everton drew and I thought we were going to hold on to the 0-1 score,I was going to post something along the following lines :
Far from the free-flowing football against WH but showed great resilience in defence. When they got behind it, DDG was there at his best. Mhiki seemed to be fading after about 60 minutes so I would have brought Mata on as we were totally losing it in midfield. Couldn't maintain the attacking threat, which left the field open for them.
Seemed a silly, soft penalti. Overall, I'd say we're looking better than our results show. Positive but realistic.
Far from the free-flowing football against WH but showed great resilience in defence. When they got behind it, DDG was there at his best. Mhiki seemed to be fading after about 60 minutes so I would have brought Mata on as we were totally losing it in midfield. Couldn't maintain the attacking threat, which left the field open for them.
Seemed a silly, soft penalti. Overall, I'd say we're looking better than our results show. Positive but realistic.
but the thing is Fellaini isn't even good at headers which is supposed to be one of his best traits, or only trait should I say...
He is actually good that it, I'll give him that at least
against midgets that cannot jump, maybe. Or unless he uses his elbows to leverage off them.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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21%
Phil Jones
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18%
David de Gea
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10%
Zlatan Ibrahimovic
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9%
Marouane Fellaini
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7%
Ander Herrera
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3%
Antonio Valencia
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1%
Anthony Martial
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1%
Michael Carrick
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1%
Paul Pogba
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1%
Matteo Darmian
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1%
Marcos Rojo
Player Ratings
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Compiled from 478 ratings.
Score Predictions
408,55,82
- Man Utd win
- Everton win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 24% Everton 1:2 Man Utd
- 17% Everton 1:3 Man Utd
- 13% Everton 0:2 Man Utd
- 10% Everton 1:1 Man Utd
- 7% Everton 0:3 Man Utd
- 6% Everton 0:1 Man Utd
- 4% Everton 2:1 Man Utd
- 3% Everton 2:2 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 0:0 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 2:0 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 2:3 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 0:5 Man Utd
- 2% Everton 0:4 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 1:4 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 3:1 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Everton 1:0 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 1:5 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 3:2 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 4:0 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 4:1 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 4:5 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 2:4 Man Utd
- 0% Everton 5:4 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Everton
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 45% 55%
- Shots
- 13 10
- Shots on Target
- 6 2
- Corners
- 6 3
- Fouls
- 13 11
Referee
Michael Oliver
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Marouane Fellaini
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replaced by Marcus Rashford
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