[fanta cloud]

How come all our offsides were immediately stopped and the play wasn't allowed continue and use VAR to check?

A lot of the offsides were extremely tight and Neville didn't even discuss them, as he kept on his weird narrative of being negative against Man Utd.

 

[Pughnichi]

Think CR7 was mocked exactly for this. He had scored some brilliant kicks taken in PL before 2008 and just remained the first in line for FK at Real till 2018. At one point, he had no FK goal in some 100-150 attempts. Nobody ever asked him to give it to someone else.

Perhaps they should have.

 

[caid]

Thought it was a pretty wretched match. A good game for defenders maybe. I dont see the improvement or change that others are talking about to be honest.

 

[henrysquire]

We've spent so much money on dross players. It's ridiculous.

 

[Exiled_Red]

I don’t get the Ugarte hate. Is he a Rodri that’s going to dictate the game from deep? No. But he’s a guy that’s necessary to free up Mainoo and Bruno without leaving huge gaps in midfield. He’ll give us energy and some bite and when he wins the ball he’ll get rid of it quickly. That’s sufficient for the current squad.

Now if Amorim develops a possession based side, then he might be phased out or be a big game guy to add fight in bigger games where we don’t have tons of the ball. Either way, he’s valuable.

 

[CallyRed]

That chance Garnacho had to play in Maz. Could have set it on a plate for JZ.

 

[Theonas]

He had an okay match. We need outstanding midfielders though. We'll never get out of this rut until we have midfielders like Keane, Scholes and Carrick. I just don't see a great first touch and quick enough play from him. It worries me that we just have a pretty good midfielder in him.

Yet somehow Liverpool and Arsenal managed to mount title challenges with midfielders like Henderson, Wijnaldum, Xhaka and Partey. It's only us that seem to need hall of famers in every position.

 

[Abizzz]

That chance Garnacho had to play in Maz. Could have set it on a plate for JZ.

What's the point if he would have just skyed it anyway?

 

[CallyRed]

What's the point if he would have just skyed it anyway?

Would have increased our xG. Which is the most important thing

 

[Abizzz]

Would have increased our xG. Which is the most important thing

Fair point.

 

[joedirt87]

Feel like ETH would have lost that game the way things were going for him. Decent point, came into the game thinking it would be a draw, and as soon as United scored I thought well this will probably end in a draw. Garnacho was frustrating to watch.

 

[Banana Republic]

Hang on a minute !
We're now only 6 points off top 4 !!!!



.

 

[York]

Looked much better defensively than we have. Fair result.

 

[Rozay]

For some reason Sky Sports seem to be going with the ‘United hang on for point against Chelsea’ headline in all their media despite the fact that it is us who wasted several chances to win the game and not them.

 

[gerdm07]

Yet somehow Liverpool and Arsenal managed to mount title challenges with midfielders like Henderson, Wijnaldum, Xhaka and Partey. It's only us that seem to need hall of famers in every position.

At their prime Henderson and Partey were world class. The other two are very useful. And at their prime they are better than anything we have had in probably 10 years.

What really irks me is Liverpool recognized 2 or 3 years ago it was time to move on from Henderson and others as their midfield was getting weak. They signed a few and now they arguably have one of the better midfields in the league. We suffer, though, year after year.

 

[Theonas]

At their prime Henderson and Partey were world class. The other two are very useful. And at their prime they are better than anything we have had in probably 10 years.

What really irks me is Liverpool recognized 2 or 3 years ago it was time to move on from Henderson and others as their midfield was getting weak. They signed a few and now they arguably have one of the better midfields in the league. We suffer, though, year after year.

When did you rate these players to be world class? I don't remember any top teams fighting over their signature at any point. I don't remember anyone including them in the list of great midfielders in any context, PL or European. Do you mean you personally rated them world class? If so, I respect that as that's your opinion, but if you mean it was some general consensus built over many years of performances, I am going to have to disagree with that.

As for your second point, again, Gravenberch was used as an example of why Liverpool are lacking this summer. He had the same tag as De Ligt and Mazraoui of a talented player who can't be any good if a team like Bayern are selling him and he showed nothing last year to prove that wrong. Mac Allister was the lesser desired option at Brighton's midfield and Szoboszlai had a very average profile and reputation before their transfers. So again, my question is do you mean they have players "performing" better or are we saying they are categorically better players and Liverpool saw something nobody else did at the time of transfer?

 

[Tosicsleftpeg]

An extremely frustrating afternoon, some of the guilt edge chances we missed were awful. One thing I really can't understand is why Bruno is getting so much hate online? Thought he did well today with some fantastic through balls and cut backs plus he scored his penalty.

Ugarte was another one who's gone under the radar, he put in a bulldog performance, he was hassling and harrying all the time and breaking up the play. Very rarely did Chelsea approach the box unmolested. Yeah he didn't do much quality wise but he's not in the team for that.

On the negative side Garnacho put in his worst ever United performance, terrible decision making, bad passing and dreadful finishing compounded a bad all round game. How ever he is still so young it week improve for him

Overall a pint is OK but we could have won it.

 

[tjb]

When did you rate these players to be world class? I don't remember any top teams fighting over their signature at any point. I don't remember anyone including them in the list of great midfielders in any context, PL or European. Do you mean you personally rated them world class? If so, I respect that as that's your opinion, but if you mean it was some general consensus built over many years of performances, I am going to have to disagree with that.

As for your second point, again, Gravenberch was used as an example of why Liverpool are lacking this summer. He had the same tag as De Ligt and Mazraoui of a talented player who can't be any good if a team like Bayern are selling him and he showed nothing last year to prove that wrong. Mac Allister was the lesser desired option at Brighton's midfield and Szoboszlai had a very average profile and reputation before their transfers. So again, my question is do you mean they have players "performing" better or are we saying they are categorically better players and Liverpool saw something nobody else did at the time of transfer?

I agree with this. I think our players are underrated and would be considered much better than their perception if they were elsewhere. De Ligt imo, has been good, but our team as a whole has been poor. He's now being discredited since he hasn't made as much impact as had been hoped, despite actually showing great attributes.

Hojlund is forced to feed off scraps, yet is blamed for our lack of goals, despite the fact that the chances never fall to him, not because of his lack of movement, but because our chances are created to chaotically. Bruno gives at least 3 key passes per game, and on a better team would be in a position where he won't need to run all over the pitch as he does for us, nor be respnsible for every creative avenue we have. Onana has been great since the season started, but noone notices this as United as a team have been poor.

I genuinely don't believe we have many poor/average players still left at the club. Lindelof, Evans and Antony are the only ones I would consider deadwood. We've had squads where Pereira, Dan James, Lingard, Brandon Williams etc have actually been starting players for us. I think that currently, our attack is a little bit immature, but with time have potential.

 

[tenpoless]

That chance Garnacho had to play in Maz. Could have set it on a plate for JZ.

He would have sent it to Mars

 

[steffyr2]

Are the forwards we have now good at pressing?
Maybe contributing to the defense limits their contribution to the attack. Because they just don’t seem like they are as expert at the attack as you’d expect. (Though I don’t see them doing much in defense either.)
Today we did seem like we were trying more to score though, it just seemed like we were a bit rusty at it.

 

[The Irish Connection]

For all the criticism of ourselves, billion pounds in 12 months, loophole accounting Chelsea looked just as crap.

 

[Blood Mage]

Thought it was a pretty wretched match. A good game for defenders maybe. I dont see the improvement or change that others are talking about to be honest.

Some of them will look better when a good coach gets his hands on them (which will hopefully be Anorim) but yeah the extent to which we've overspent is sickening.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

Some of them will look better when a good coach gets his hands on them (which will hopefully be Anorim) but yeah the extent to which we've overspent is sickening.

Yep. I fecking hate the Glazer vermin.

 

[steffyr2]

Yep. I fecking hate the Glazer vermin.

Remind me…why do you use the term ‘vermin’ when you talk about the glazers?

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

Holy Garnacho hate on here. Poor game but wow, short sighted as always on here.

Wish Ruud got another win but a draw was fair. Long way to go but we knew that before the match.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

An extremely frustrating afternoon, some of the guilt edge chances we missed were awful. One thing I really can't understand is why Bruno is getting so much hate online? Thought he did well today with some fantastic through balls and cut backs plus he scored his penalty.

Ugarte was another one who's gone under the radar, he put in a bulldog performance, he was hassling and harrying all the time and breaking up the play. Very rarely did Chelsea approach the box unmolested. Yeah he didn't do much quality wise but he's not in the team for that.

On the negative side Garnacho put in his worst ever United performance, terrible decision making, bad passing and dreadful finishing compounded a bad all round game. How ever he is still so young it week improve for him

Overall a pint is OK but we could have won it.

The Cafe mate. Bruno played well.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Even free kick taker. Bruno has scored 1 free kick at Utd!!!! One!!!! And he stands at the front of the queue every time. Some one should be having a word

His free kick record is bad enough without having to make up stats he scored a free kick vs Leicester the other night and also scored free kicks vs Liverpool and Bournemouth during lockdown.

 

[Denis' cuff]

For all the criticism of ourselves, billion pounds in 12 months, loophole accounting Chelsea looked just as crap.

Get with it mate… they were good, we were crap and we only drew against a team well up the table and in form

 

[Ibi Dreams]

How come all our offsides were immediately stopped and the play wasn't allowed continue and use VAR to check?

A lot of the offsides were extremely tight and Neville didn't even discuss them, as he kept on his weird narrative of being negative against Man Utd.

This was bullshit. I haven't seen offside called that early in years, and at least one of them actually looked onside. Very strange officiating

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

Holy Garnacho hate on here. Poor game but wow, short sighted as always on here.

Wish Ruud got another win but a draw was fair. Long way to go but we knew that before the match.

I agree some of the comments are out of line but I disagree that it's short sighted. Garnacho simply isn't good enough for United and at no point has he performed to a level that indicates he is, I'm talking about performances over a decent sample size not just a game here or there.

Savinho is the same age as him and performed to a far higher level for longer, last season in La Liga only Vinicius was avg more dribbles per game than him. Foden was also far outperforming him by a similar age as was Saka.

I could go on but there's really nothing in his game that indicates he's anything better than a decent prospect, to make another comparison Adnan Januzaj was also outperforming him at the same age and we know how that turned out.

He might score a decent goal here or there but overall the numbers just don't like. Dribbles per game/chances created/every passing stat has his numbers as being decent but nothing more.

The way some people talk about him you'd think he was performing like young Cristiano.

 

[ZainCRse7en]

Just a garbage of a match between two average mid table teams. We are so far behind the likes of Pool, City and Arsenal it's actually frightening.

 

[Florida Man]

I agree some of the comments are out of line but I disagree that it's short sighted. Garnacho simply isn't good enough for United and at no point has he performed to a level that indicates he is, I'm talking about performances over a decent sample size not just a game here or there.

Savinho is the same age as him and performed to a far higher level for longer, last season in La Liga only Vinicius was avg more dribbles per game than him. Foden was also far outperforming him by a similar age as was Saka.

I could go on but there's really nothing in his game that indicates he's anything better than a decent prospect, to make another comparison Adnan Januzaj was also outperforming him at the same age and we know how that turned out.

He might score a decent goal here or there but overall the numbers just don't like. Dribbles per game/chances created/every passing stat has his numbers as being decent but nothing more.

The way some people talk about him you'd think he was performing like young Cristiano.

 

[Hester_manc]

 

[DRJosh]

Hang on a minute !
We're now only 6 points off top 4 !!!!



.

That isn’t a massive gap in all honesty. But knowing our quality, it will be a struggle.

 

[DRJosh]

Garnacho’s initial value proposition when he first broke into the first team was his level of directness in his playing style - that has since dissolved.

 

[SmashedHombre]

An extremely frustrating afternoon, some of the guilt edge chances we missed were awful. One thing I really can't understand is why Bruno is getting so much hate online? Thought he did well today with some fantastic through balls and cut backs plus he scored his penalty.

Ugarte was another one who's gone under the radar, he put in a bulldog performance, he was hassling and harrying all the time and breaking up the play. Very rarely did Chelsea approach the box unmolested. Yeah he didn't do much quality wise but he's not in the team for that.

On the negative side Garnacho put in his worst ever United performance, terrible decision making, bad passing and dreadful finishing compounded a bad all round game. How ever he is still so young it week improve for him

Overall a pint is OK but we could have won it.

r/BoneAppleTea ?

Otherwise, pretty much agree with what you are saying. However, hating on Bruno is the M.O. of the caf.

 

[erikcred]

Hang on a minute !
We're now only 6 points off top 4 !!!!



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We're also 13th and 6 points off top 6. I wouldn't worry about top 4 unless we are close after GW25 or thereabouts.

More important that the new manager starts getting his ideas across. Even if results get slightly worse to begin with, as long as we consistently see what he's trying to do on the pitch, I'd take that.

 

[RedfromIreland]

For some reason Sky Sports seem to be going with the ‘United hang on for point against Chelsea’ headline in all their media despite the fact that it is us who wasted several chances to win the game and not them.

I have just read that this morning. What match was that they’re talking about?

 

[Insanity]

An extremely frustrating afternoon, some of the guilt edge chances we missed were awful. One thing I really can't understand is why Bruno is getting so much hate online? Thought he did well today with some fantastic through balls and cut backs plus he scored his penalty.

Ugarte was another one who's gone under the radar, he put in a bulldog performance, he was hassling and harrying all the time and breaking up the play. Very rarely did Chelsea approach the box unmolested. Yeah he didn't do much quality wise but he's not in the team for that.

On the negative side Garnacho put in his worst ever United performance, terrible decision making, bad passing and dreadful finishing compounded a bad all round game. How ever he is still so young it week improve for him

Overall a pint is OK but we could have won it.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. He is a midfielder, as important as it is winning the ball and protecting the defense it is also important to be decent with the ball. No one expects him to be prime Pirolo; however, he needs to pass it much better. Also, it wasn't some tough passes that he floundered. They were all pretty simple. He put the team in a couple of dangerous situations because of his atrocious passing; once twice in the same sequence.

The idea that a defensive minded midfielder can be a 70% passer is simply wrong.

 

[Rooney25]

We are desperate for a target man hold up type striker

The likes of a Dominic Calvert lewin who has only 6 months left on his contract and we can get relatively cheaply would be a good option for this squad