[tomaldinho1]

Given our indifferent form, pleased with performance but gutted with result.

Classic Arsenal, perfect time to play us, loads of injuries and in bad form and they don't show up.

 

[Devil may care]

Very calm post match interview from Jose.

 

[Ramshock]

we really should have been 3 up by the time Giroud scored, we cant complain about the effort or performance really.

 

[The red panther]

Darmian should have been sent off for what? and that stuff about us losing even if we scored a pen is a bit ridiculous.

I dont have video material to show it but I'am talking about this phase of the game:

From telegraph matchrapport:

33 mins

Darmian could be in real trouble here... he catches Jenkinson with a late challenge, putting his studs into his shin... but the referee warns him that one more of those and he's off.

He was on a yellow card there already. When I saw it on tv in close up, I tought it was really nasty and could have even been a straight red card if the ref would follow the rulebook. Was also talked about that during half-time (on belgium television) and all the analysts were agreeing he was very lucky because he should have gone off for that one. The first yellow on walcott was a very light yellow offence but this one on jenkinson was worthy of a straight red and ref didnt even give him second yellow, so he was very fortunate.

That phase was also before the penalty fase, I doubt if we would go down to 10 men that early we would be able to get anything out of this game. Nothing ridiculous about that.

 

[attack attack]

He was referring to the first booking in which there was 0 contact on Walcott

To be fair Herrera did the same also.

 

[The red panther]

He was referring to the first booking in which there was 0 contact on Walcott

Ah yes I was refering to the second offence on Jenkison, I mixed it up. He is lucky not to have been send off for that one, especially when he is on a yellow already.

And there was contact with Walcott, he tripped him. Light yellow but they can be given if you do that.

 

[JSArsenal]

In the same way that one great game against Chelsea doesn't make us champions, one average-poor game today doesn't make us a horrible team.

We didn't play like an Arsenal team, Wenger sent out the team to shut up shop. Two defensive midfielders, plus another on the wing and our attacking players weren't as adventurous as they usually are. Don't blame us for not playing a style of football we were not intent on playing.

On top of that, Sanchez isn't fully fit, Ramsey is still finding his feet and Jenkinson started his first game in months.

This meant that while the defensive game plan worked to a degree, we couldn't create enough chances at the other end, until Giroud scored

At the end of the day, it worked, we got a result. Cech made a few saves. I can remember 3 or 4 at most. It wasn't a dominating performance by United in my view. One would expect an opposition goalkeeper to be called into action at least once at Old Trafford.

United played well but to be honest it was quite a dull game for large stretches, draw deserved in my opinion.

We didn't play at our best but got a result we came for.

 

[CS@SG]

Rashofrd should have taken out the player before the cross. We need to play dirty when we should

And if the freekick following that results in goal, he will be blamed for taking down player at such a dangerous position.

 

[Ramshock]

In the same way that one great game against Chelsea doesn't make us champions, one average-poor game today doesn't make us a horrible team.

We didn't play like an Arsenal team, Wenger sent out the team to shut up shop. Two defensive midfielders, plus another on the wing and our attacking players weren't as adventurous as they usually are. Don't blame us for not playing a style of football we were not intent on playing.

On top of that, Sanchez isn't fully fit, Ramsey is still finding his feet and Jenkinson started his first game in months.

This meant that while the defensive game plan worked to a degree, we couldn't create enough chances at the other end, until Giroud scored

At the end of the day, it worked, we got a result. Cech made a few saves. I can remember 3 or 4 at most. It wasn't a dominating performance by United in my view. One would expect an opposition goalkeeper to be called into action at least once at Old Trafford.

United played well but to be honest it was quite a dull game for large stretches, draw deserved in my opinion.

We didn't play at our best but got a result we came for.

I dunno man, i still see the same old Arsenal..I really dont see you lot winning the league, not in this performance and not the way you played vs Liverpool.

 

[Fracture90]

Barely even touched him ?

He went in with stretched leg, studs first, right on Walcott's foot. Not only was he completley too late, he even deserved a sending off for the intention alone. Could have gotten a straight red card for that but the ref didn't even give him a second yellow. He was very lucky there to still be on the pitch.

Absolute fekin nonsense! Intention? Player who has a yellow card going into tackle with open foot, studs out to hurt a player? Do you even hear yourself?

Late tackle and he barely even touched him, not to mention that he got a yellow for nothing as well. Get a grip mate.

 

[The red panther]

In the same way that one great game against Chelsea doesn't make us champions, one average-poor game today doesn't make us a horrible team.

We didn't play like an Arsenal team, Wenger sent out the team to shut up shop. Two defensive midfielders, plus another on the wing and our attacking players weren't as adventurous as they usually are. Don't blame us for not playing a style of football we were not intent on playing.

On top of that, Sanchez isn't fully fit, Ramsey is still finding his feet and Jenkinson started his first game in months.

This meant that while the defensive game plan worked to a degree, we couldn't create enough chances at the other end, until Giroud scored

At the end of the day, it worked, we got a result. Cech made a few saves. I can remember 3 or 4 at most. It wasn't a dominating performance by United in my view. One would expect an opposition goalkeeper to be called into action at least once at Old Trafford.

United played well but to be honest it was quite a dull game for large stretches, draw deserved in my opinion.

We didn't play at our best but got a result we came for.

You haven't lost since opening day, How can Arsenal be a poor team ?

Arsenal plays great and will likley get top 4 but I think you are lacking quality again to mount a title offence compared to City and Chelsea (and the later is really due to Conté)

 

[Kraftwerker]

In the same way that one great game against Chelsea doesn't make us champions, one average-poor game today doesn't make us a horrible team.

We didn't play like an Arsenal team, Wenger sent out the team to shut up shop. Two defensive midfielders, plus another on the wing and our attacking players weren't as adventurous as they usually are. Don't blame us for not playing a style of football we were not intent on playing.

On top of that, Sanchez isn't fully fit, Ramsey is still finding his feet and Jenkinson started his first game in months.

This meant that while the defensive game plan worked to a degree, we couldn't create enough chances at the other end, until Giroud scored

At the end of the day, it worked, we got a result. Cech made a few saves. I can remember 3 or 4 at most. It wasn't a dominating performance by United in my view. One would expect an opposition goalkeeper to be called into action at least once at Old Trafford.

United played well but to be honest it was quite a dull game for large stretches, draw deserved in my opinion.

We didn't play at our best but got a result we came for.

Putting a brave face on it. I think you protest too much.

We made you look like a championship outfit who resorted to systematic fouling.

Arsenal look as far from title winners as we do. Which given Wenger's longevity and time to put together his team is kind of pathetic.

 

[NinjaZombie]

If the match had ended in the 87th minute we'd all be cock a hoop after shitting all over one of the the three best teams in the league this season. With a makeshift back four and our first choice striker suspended. Loads of good individual performances and Pogba's puts to bed the flat track bully stuff. All good, positive stuff.

The fact it didn't end at that point changes the result and ruins everyone's day but doesn't have any effect on where we're going under Mourinho. We're clearly improving and are bound to go on a decent run soon. My only worry is that we still seem to be very dependent on Carrick.

Am still absolutely gutted. That goes without saying.

I agree with everything you've said here. We're getting somewhere, there were some good individual performances and we're still worryingly dependent on Carrick. Also, I'm as gutted as you are.

I'd like to add though, the superman version of De Gea from the past 3 seasons would've stopped that header. He's not been at his best this season.

 

[spenzo]

To be fair Herrera did the same also.

I know but I'm not defending Herrera. All-round poor game from the ref for both sides really but especially so against us, but I digress - the ref's not why we didn't win.

 

[rimaldo]

I dunno man, i still see the same old Arsenal..I really dont see you lot winning the league, not in this performance and not the way you played vs Liverpool.

aye. they're as useless as ever.

 

[PedroMendez]

Good performance. Can't complain about that. Very unfortunate.

 

[The red panther]

Absolute fekin nonsense! Intention? Player who has a yellow card going into tackle with open foot, studs out to hurt a player? Do you even hear yourself?

Late tackle and he barely even touched him, not to mention that he got a yellow for nothing as well. Get a grip mate.

Yea that is what happend, wtf I don't have video material and idk where to get it but it was clear enough on tv and it was also dicussed on my channel during half time and saw plenty of reviews to see that he went studs first with a stretched leg on Jenkison.

Also tripping someone is not getting yellow for nothing.

Jezus take of your galsses, we were lucky not to be down to 10 men by minute 33. In the same way we were unlucky not to get a stonewall penalty.

It not all black and white...

 

[Jake]

If the match had ended in the 87th minute we'd all be cock a hoop after shitting all over one of the the three best teams in the league this season. With a makeshift back four and our first choice striker suspended. Loads of good individual performances and Pogba's puts to bed the flat track bully stuff. All good, positive stuff.

The fact it didn't end at that point changes the result and ruins everyone's day but doesn't have any effect on where we're going under Mourinho. We're clearly improving and are bound to go on a decent run soon. My only worry is that we still seem to be very dependent on Carrick.

Am still absolutely gutted. That goes without saying.

Great post and pretty much sums up how I'm feeling.

 

[Spiersey]

United were okay whilst Arsenal were very poor.

I said in the match day thread that the lack of support for Rashford up top was worrying. Improved slightly in the second half which coincided with united improving. Arsenal fans will probably be happier after it but United fans should be a lot happier than Arsenal fans based on the performances.

 

[TheReligion]

Funnily enough, I didn't take my decibel meter with me.

I thought you had that everywhere!

 

[gerdm07]

Too bad. I just had a feeling Arsenal would steel one as we went further and further back.

Herrera was MOTM for me. I saw the highlights of him vs England and he is becoming a real general in midfield. Now if Pogba can step up we might have a very good midfield for the first time since Scholes and Carrick.

Who was captain when Rooney came on? He did not have the arm band. Is he not captain anymore?

 

[podurban2]

Too bad. I just had a feeling Arsenal would steel one as we went further and further back.

Herrera was MOTM for me. I saw the highlights of him vs England and he is becoming a real general in midfield. Now if Pogba can step up we might have a very good midfield for the first time since Scholes and Carrick.

Who was captain when Rooney came on? He did not have the arm band. Is he not captain anymore?

Carrick was captain.

 

[Irrational.]

Very calm post match interview from Jose.

Thanks for sharing.

Very positive post match interview. Reminds me of the Fergie interviews where he used to console the fans. I almost always used to feel better listening to Sir Alex's interviews after a negative result.

 

[antihenry]

United played well but to be honest it was quite a dull game for large stretches, draw deserved in my opinion.

No chance in hell you deserved anything out of this match. You got lucky.

 

[Catt]

Don't think Arsenal will win the league and they aren't very entertaining to watch for the most part. They have a game here and there where they look good and that's about it.

 

[gerdm07]

One more thing, we just have to be better getting the ball out of the back and out of danger. There were at least a handful of times when Rojo and Jones just booted the ball up with no real thought and those times they had a half second to make a pass. That adds up during a match.

 

[N1_Gooner]

Frankly you should have humped us. Without Cazorla in centre midfield we just aren't the same team. Sanchez and Ozil get all the hype but he is the one who makes us play. Wenger played Elneny and Coquelin for solidity but neither of them has anywhere near the passing speed and skill that Santi has. When we went 1-0 down I thought we were screwed as the CM pairing of Elneny/ Coquelin is totally unable to drive any attacking play. Couldn't see where an equaliser would come from. Luckily (for us) we fluked one from our only chance. We urgently need Santi back in the team and then hopefully we can build on lucky results like this.

If anyone bets on football I'd strongly suggest backing Arsenal to overperform with Santi in the team and underperform without him.

 

[The red panther]

Putting a brave face on it. I think you protest too much.

We made you look like a championship outfit who resorted to systematic fouling.

Arsenal look as far from title winners as we do. Which given Wenger's longevity and time to put together his team is kind of pathetic.

We totally didn't, it was a complete off day from Arsenal and despite that whilst playing at home we hardly could take advanateg off that. We hardly created a chance worthy of the name and when we do in fact score we try to park the buss while it has been clear all season we actually totally suck at parking the buss and invited Arsenal to just score and grab a free point from OT.

Also how you can laugh about Wenger who will likley stroll into the top 4 again whilst we probably are already out of the race for it is beyond me. Also We spend a fortune on our players, not just this season but the last 2 seasons under LVG aswell. The price tag of this United team is seriously ridiculous and on top off that we are paying them like kings aswell, our players fees and wages combined are probs the most expensive team in the entire game right now. But we will be losing out on top 4 for the 3th time in 4 years and we still have to win our first big match this season.

United at the moment is a complete joke, how people are still having a dig at Arsenal whilst our club is clearly in much more dire state is beyond me.

 

[Schmiznurf]

We should have had this in the bag tbh, quite upset by the result.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Should have won. Played quite well and enjoyed the match.
Arsenal have one shot on target and score but deserved nothing from the game.
Mata Valencia Pogba and Herrera pick
Defence looked comfortable until they scored

 

[Catt]

We should have had this in the bag tbh, quite upset by the result.

Likewise.

 

[OohAahMartial]

I probably would have taken a draw before the game. But after watching that, we deserved to win, but in the end sat back to much after taking the lead and it eventually cost us 2 points.

Thats the same for me. I thought they'd hammer us as our defense is makeshift (didn't expect Valencia to play) and they're normaloy so potent in attack with Sanchez and Ozil. So a 0-0 would, in the circumstances of our poor form and injuries, be a good result, even if the table says we needed 3. I'm nit mad at the result, just deflated as we deserved to win it. It was a stonewall penalty for a rugby tackle where the defender deliberately stumbles on a but further just so he can get his arm in front of our player. We should have won the game even despite that, with a lovely goal, but we threw it away.

England's result showed the importance of being able to shut up shop and seal a victory, even if 2-0 up. What we did wrong was the WAY in which we shut up shop. To shut it you need to shut down the wings, which bringing Rashford the wing was incorrect, Lingard or Young would have worked better, but chiefly it was sitting back very deep and letting them have all the possession which is the wrong way to defend a lead. An LVG approach of playing possession keepball, with time-wasting Menphis in the corner type tactics is much smarter. European teams tend to be much smarter at closing out games, with some gamemanship which is at least effective if not pretty.

But I think after the disappointing way of losing the 2 points is over it will become clear that we performed well, nullified Arsenal, our midfield especially good, a great performace from Valencia, a defensive shape and organisation much more Mourinho like, some good chances, a hint of Martial sparking in the second half (shouldn't have been taken off - this season he's always had a better second half, taking time to get into the game and his first half was quiet because Darmian offers nothing going forward unlike Valencia and so the ball is always given to the right), our Spanish bromance continuing to flourish, and importantly, looking better than Arsenal, a side near the top of the table.

We've had poor luck, but for me I'd say we seem a better side than Arsenal, about even with Liverpool, but a touch behind City, and Chelsea have been the best side we've faced, I can accept that, as that should be a top 4 finish, but we really need luck to shine on us real soon. Luck is the difference between Leicester being champions with Vardy scoring 13? games in a row, or being mid table and barely getting a goal.

 

[Kraftwerker]

We totally didn't, it was a complete off day from Arsenal and despite that whilst playing at home we hardly could take advanateg off that. We hardly created a chance worthy of the name and when we do in fact score we try to park the buss while it has been clear all season we actually totally suck at parking the buss and invited Arsenal to just score and grab a free point from OT.

Also how you can laugh about Wenger who will likley stroll into the top 4 again whilst we probably are already out of the race for it is beyond me. Also We spend a fortune on our players, not just this season but the last 2 seasons under LVG aswell. The price tag of this United team is seriously ridiculous and on top off that we are paying them like kings aswell, our players fees and wages combined are probs the most expensive team in the entire game right now. But we will be losing out on top 4 for the 3th time in 4 years and we still have to win our first big match this season.

United at the moment is a complete joke, how people are still having a dig at Arsenal whilst our club is clearly in much more dire state is beyond me.

Cheer up. It's not a dig, it's how the game went.

For supposed title contenders they were really poor. As they often are at Old Trafford.

It was a strong performance from United right up until the 90th minute. No harm in recognising that.

Some of us can see beyond the result.

 

[N1_Gooner]

We totally didn't, it was a complete off day from Arsenal and despite that whilst playing at home we hardly could take advanateg off that. We hardly created a chance worthy of the name and when we do in fact score we try to park the buss while it has been clear all season we actually totally suck at parking the buss and invited Arsenal to just score and grab a free point from OT.

Also how you can laugh about Wenger who will likley stroll into the top 4 again whilst we probably are already out of the race for it is beyond me. Also We spend a fortune on our players, not just this season but the last 2 seasons under LVG aswell. The price tag of this United team is seriously ridiculous and on top off that we are paying them like kings aswell, our players fees and wages combined are probs the most expensive team in the entire game right now. But we will be losing out on top 4 for the 3th time in 4 years and we still have to win our first big match this season.

United at the moment is a complete joke, how people are still having a dig at Arsenal whilst our club is clearly in much more dire state is beyond me.

As an Arsenal fan I think a lot of the criticism of us is justified. Wenger has had ages to build a team. Having said that, your squad must have cost double ours, possibly even more than that.

Btw, I don't think it was an "off day" from us. A garbage performance could easily have been predicted as soon as it was confirmed that Cazorla wasn't playing. We just aren't a very good team without him. It's his speed of passing and thought that makes us tick and without him it is just one mediocre performance after another.

 

[JSArsenal]

I dunno man, i still see the same old Arsenal..I really dont see you lot winning the league, not in this performance and not the way you played vs Liverpool.

Fair enough. The Liverpool game was horrible, but I can live with this result more because it was an away game.

You haven't lost since opening day, How can Arsenal be a poor team ?

Arsenal plays great and will likley get top 4 but I think you are lacking quality again to mount a title offence compared to City and Chelsea (and the later is really due to Conté)

I don't think that we are a poor team, just responding to some of the comments I've read and heard. Perhaps poor is too strong a word, I really meant "Not good enough to mount a title challenge"

Putting a brave face on it. I think you protest too much.

We made you look like a championship outfit who resorted to systematic fouling.

Arsenal look as far from title winners as we do. Which given Wenger's longevity and time to put together his team is kind of pathetic.

We looked like a championship side during the 8-2, today we looked like an off colour team who played more defensively than usual, so we were a bit toothless in attack.

No chance in hell you deserved anything out of this match. You got lucky.

Depends on how you define deserve. We equalized from a legitimate move, no wrong penalty call or offside or even a foul. Did our performance deserve a point? From an attacking point of view, No, but United only scored once and when you only have a one goal lead, you always leave yourself open to a late sucker punch.

 

[lewwoo]

Small silver lining for me. Correctly guessed 1-1 to take me up to tenth in prediction league!

 

[newgiz]

Really disappointed that we didn't win today as I thought we thoroughly deserved it. At this moment of time the effort is there and that's good to see.

We are at a stage that we cannot afford any more dropped points for the next 10 games if we are to make the top 4 and there are some tough fixtures among them. I am just hoping for the best but I am worried about our current standing. Thought Pogba played well today. I expect Martial and Rashford to be better though. Good to see Valencia back as well, he had a solid game.

 

[Red_toad]

Great performance by the entire team. Poor result, poor ref decisions. If we play with the same determination for the rest of the season, I'd wager we'll be in the champs league next season. Actually looked like a cohesive unit, so many positives. Great equaliser by the gooners, not at all deserved.

 

[Schmiznurf]

Likewise.

It'd be ok if we were outplayed and outclassed but an 89th minute header, it hurts.

 

[JSArsenal]

As an Arsenal fan I think a lot of the criticism of us is justified. Wenger has had ages to build a team. Having said that, your squad must have cost double ours, possibly even more than that.

Btw, I don't think it was an "off day" from us. A garbage performance could easily have been predicted as soon as it was confirmed that Cazorla wasn't playing. We just aren't a very good team without him. It's his speed of passing and thought that makes us tick and without him it is just one mediocre performance after another.

I don't agree with this, Cazorla has played in plenty of big games where we have lost, including at Old Trafford. His absence is a loss but the bigger problem is that Wenger only sets us up to play one way with a particular set of players. We also don't have like for like replacements in the squad, but Wenger doesn't change the style of play to suit the players on the field, he instead tries to fit them into the system. We then have Ramsey/Elneny trying to do Cazorla's job when that isn't their strength.