[Jacko21]

We did play very well. You don't expect to create 10 chances in a game of this magnitude. Matches between the big clubs is obviously going to be a game of chess. Our midfield completely dominated the game. Ozil was nowhere to be seen and bar Sanchez, none of their attackers were even average.

A lot of that has got to do with the fact that we dominated and controlled the tempo. We also had half chances but missed the final ball sometimes but your analysis seems way off.

I'll repeat, we didn't play 'very well.'

We didn't create clear chances. Cech was not tested at all. We didn't open Arsenal up.

Mata did brilliantly to score without taking a touch.

 

[SteveW]

We didn't play well today.

Don't get how people are blaming the strikers. The service was crap. We spent most of the game lump aimless long balls forward.

 

[NK86]

We totally didn't, it was a complete off day from Arsenal and despite that whilst playing at home we hardly could take advanateg off that. We hardly created a chance worthy of the name and when we do in fact score we try to park the buss while it has been clear all season we actually totally suck at parking the buss and invited Arsenal to just score and grab a free point from OT.

Also how you can laugh about Wenger who will likley stroll into the top 4 again whilst we probably are already out of the race for it is beyond me. Also We spend a fortune on our players, not just this season but the last 2 seasons under LVG aswell. The price tag of this United team is seriously ridiculous and on top off that we are paying them like kings aswell, our players fees and wages combined are probs the most expensive team in the entire game right now. But we will be losing out on top 4 for the 3th time in 4 years and we still have to win our first big match this season.

United at the moment is a complete joke, how people are still having a dig at Arsenal whilst our club is clearly in much more dire state is beyond me.

It was an off day for Arsenal because we completely dominated them.

 

[Gambit]

I'll repeat, we didn't play 'very well.'

We didn't create clear chances. Cech was not tested at all. We didn't open Arsenal up.

Well you're wrong. there was 3 very good saves Cech had to make.

 

[Grinner]

Arsenal bottling again.

 

[Jacko21]

Well you're wrong. there was 3 very good saves Cech had to make.

Ah my bad, the Mata one was good. That aside, nada.

 

[NK86]

I'll repeat, we didn't play 'very well.'

We didn't create clear chances. Cech was not tested at all. We didn't open Arsenal up.

Mata did brilliantly to score without taking a touch.

Cech had to make a very good save from Mata and a decent save from Martial. Then their defense had to put their body on the linr a fair few times. If you have seen the matches against big teams, it rarely is gung-ho. Don't know why you expect it to be different.

 

[togg]

Arsenal bottling again.

It's your year........

 

[Hugh Jass]

Ox was Blind's man to mark. Don't know where he was.

If you look at the replay, Arsenal had basically put so many men forward and blind was tracking another player (maybe walcott). If anything, Pogba (very tired) could have helped Rashford, maybe double team Ox.

 

[NK86]

Ox was the full back.

Oh, I thought he was playing as a winger. In that case Rashford should have done better.

 

[NK86]

If you look at the replay, Arsenal had basically put so many men forward and blind was tracking another player (maybe walcott). If anything, Pogba (very tired) could have helped Rashford, maybe double team Ox.

Yeah, not that I blame Rashford but he should have done better. Even a foul at that time was a better option in hindsight. Though the cross was a peach

 

[Jacko21]

Cech had to make a very good save from Mata and a decent save from Martial. Then their defense had to put their body on the linr a fair few times. If you have seen the matches against big teams, it rarely is gung-ho. Don't know why you expect it to be different.

Yeah, my bad re the Cech save from Mata.

I expect us to take the game to the opposition, as you know, the home team. We were far too pedestrian at times, particularly given that Arsenal were clearly not at it today.

 

[Wumminator]

Great to see Phil Jones coming through the last few weeks! Would love him to be back properly.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Yeah, not that I blame Rashford but he should have done better. Even a foul at that time was a better option in hindsight. Though the cross was a peach

Should have fouled him alright. Would have been the right thing to do.

 

[Hugh Jass]

We did play very well. You don't expect to create 10 chances in a game of this magnitude. Matches between the big clubs is obviously going to be a game of chess. Our midfield completely dominated the game. Ozil was nowhere to be seen and bar Sanchez, none of their attackers were even average.

A lot of that has got to do with the fact that we dominated and controlled the tempo. We also had half chances but missed the final ball sometimes but your analysis seems way off.

This.

 

[Alex Styles]

Both the players and the manager are to blame for today's result. However I am sure that Mourinho will turn it around at some point.

We were NOT unlucky to concede today. It was undeserved no doubt but we were not unlucky. We contributed to what happened.

Basically we put in a brilliant performance whereby we absolutely nullified Arsenal and rendered their threat as non-existent. In all the cases where this happens, a team has to simply keep doing what's working until the end of the game. We shut up shop when we shouldn't have, thereby inviting pressure. This is a concern because Mourinho should know to manage a situation such as this a lot better and in this case he didn't. I remember when we played against city at the etihad and had no shots on target for the entire game. They strangled us from beginning to end with no let up. Even the great Barcelona keep going until the end.

At the same time, a great team should be able to shut up shop and do so effectively. But to do it effectively means that you must keep the ball away from your goal. Mourinho teams have historically been very efficient at doing just that.

People saying that our defense did well today. They barely had anything to do other than keep passing it back to DDG. The only time they were tested they failed miserably. Sure it was a good goal by Arsenal but we could do better. This is where the players come into it. Jones didn't HAVE to get to the ball but the right amount of pressure might have been enough to put Giroud off.

Can Mourinho trust the players to shut shop? The answer is an resounding 'NO' !

 

[edcunited1878]

Yeah, my bad re the Cech save from Mata.

I expect us to take the game to the opposition, as you know, the home team. We were far too pedestrian at times, particularly given that Arsenal were clearly not at it today.

Can you give us an example of your expectations of "taking the game to the opposition"?

 

[SirScholes]

I'll repeat, we didn't play 'very well.'

We didn't create clear chances. Cech was not tested at all. We didn't open Arsenal up.

Mata did brilliantly to score without taking a touch.

We created chances and I'm including pog flashing the ball across the box and Rooney likewise
We did play well, we deserved to win against a team that is in a better place than us right now

 

[Esquire]

Arsenal deserved negative points from this game. I thought you were fairly good but mainly we were just fecking awful. I haven't seen us play this poorly in possession and going forward in a long time.

I think there was a lot of negative reactions on here. Perhaps deservedly so in that we can't close out games. That said, I think on the main we were really good defending today and really stifled Sanchez and Theo. So I don't know what others are talking about us can't defend. We did a good job shutting you guys down today save for that last and only chance which Giroud (channeling Ronaldo) rose a foot above everyone and put it away.

 

[The Wanderer]

I think Mourinho got his tactics spot on !
Possibly why Wenger has never beaten him.

For the first time since in ages, we actually looked like a team and with a bit more luck could of hammered em 3 or 4 nil

I was surprised Darmian came off, must have had an injury, he looks far better than Shaw in that position. (maybe we wouldn't of conceded the equaliser)

I was amazed Martial came off just as he started to look a constant threat ???

Overall great performance, we can say Arsenal didn't turn up but you are only as good as your opponents.

 

[SirScholes]

Both the players and the manager are to blame for today's result. However I am sure that Mourinho will turn it around at some point.

We were NOT unlucky to lose today. It was undeserved no doubt but we were not unlucky. We contributed to what happened.

Basically we put in a brilliant performance whereby we absolutely nullified Arsenal and rendered their threat as non-existent. In all the cases where this happens, a team has to simply keep doing what's working until the end of the game. We shut up shop when we shouldn't have, thereby inviting pressure. This is a concern because Mourinho should know to manage a situation such as this a lot better and in this case he didn't. I remember when we played against city at the etihad and had no shots on target for the entire game. They strangled us from beginning to end with no let up. Even the great Barcelona keep going until the end.

At the same time, a great team should be able to shut up shop and do so effectively. But to do it effectively means that you must keep the ball away from your goal. Mourinho teams have historically been very efficient at doing just that.

People saying that our defense did well today. They barely had anything to do other than keep passing it back to DDG. The only time they were tested they failed miserably. Sure it was a good goal by Arsenal but we could do better. This is where the players come into it. Jones didn't HAVE to get to the ball but the right amount of pressure might have been enough to put Giroud off.

Can Mourinho trust the players to shut shop? The answer is an resounding 'NO' !

We didn't lose?
Few minutes left you shut up shop we didn't do anything tactically wrong.
We defended well throughout the game then a sub pulls out a worldie cross from nowhere.
Very unlucky not to win

 

[togg]

I think a lot of fans believed we would lose today...and by a couple of goals. We didn't...and deserved to win...that is progress in a perverse way....!! And yes....Wenger has still not beaten Jose....(apart from the Community Shield which is really a friendly!)

 

[Esquire]

Our defense was fine for the entire game. It was one error in 90 minutes that cost us, and it was completely against the run of play. Mourinho was faultless today as far as I'm concerned.

I agree with you. Good game plan and it's not his fault that Rojo did put us up 2 nil with that free header. The tactical plan was pretty good and that goal, well, Rash could have done better with Ox.

 

[Jacko21]

Can you give us an example of your expectations of "taking the game to the opposition"?

Taking the game to the opposition would include the following:

• Barking at players for shirking responsibility and playing the easy ball - usually backwards
• Being better at winning the ball back quicker
• Not allowing the tempo of the game to flatline
• To follow up a promising attack, with another promising attack, not relenting
• Giving the home crowd something to be enthused about

 

[horsechoker]

Van Gaal was at the match

 

[Grinner]

We were almost totally nullified. You should be pretty happy with that.

 

[Ban]

Tell you what though, Arsenal won't win the league this year.

 

[Alex Styles]

We didn't lose?
Few minutes left you shut up shop we didn't do anything tactically wrong.
We defended well throughout the game then a sub pulls out a worldie cross from nowhere.
Very unlucky not to win

Felt like a loss but ok I edited it.
It is tactically wrong if your defense is incapable of not conceding. Also you don't change a winning approach. We clearly did.

 

[Esquire]

If there was one thing I expected of Mourinho it is that he would win us these kind of games. We are 1-0 ahead, we have been able to keep Arsenal out of the game for almost 90 minutes but somehow they find an equalizer.

This is so deflating.

Also Jones wtf was he doing there on that goal ?

That was a good performance and the goal was against run of play. If you watched the replay Jones was taken out by Koschelny. The signs are there but grant you not the result.

 

[edcunited1878]

Taking the game to the opposition would include the following:

• Barking at players for shirking responsibility and playing the easy ball - usually backwards
• Being better at winning the ball back quicker
• Not allowing the tempo of the game to flatline
• To follow up a promising attack, with another promising attack, not relenting
• Giving the home crowd something to be enthused about

So United has to play similarly against Burnley at home against Arsenal with multiple goals? How did you feel after the Burnley match? Your comments today just reek of being spoiled and not respecting the quality of the opposition. For as poor as Arsenal played today because United was main reason, Arsenal still have players who can change matches as we all saw today.

 

[RedChip]

Van Gaal was at the match

Brilliant

 

[Jacko21]

So United has to play similarly against Burnley at home against Arsenal with multiple goals? How did you feel after the Burnley match? Your comments today just reek of being spoiled and not respecting the quality of the opposition. For as poor as Arsenal played today because United was main reason, Arsenal still have players who can change matches as we all saw today.

Don't agree. We were too conservative. We barely did enough to score one goal, let alone score another that would've put the game to bed. Instead, we retreated. Arsenal clearly weren't at it today and yet we let them escape with a point.

I'm not spoiled, if I have seen the team play really well, left nothing on the field and entertained then I'll be content coming away from OT - win, lose or draw.

My anger and apathy towards this current United squad is their lack of hunger, fight, desire. And the pedestrian speed at which they do everything.

 

[Esquire]

You just said you can't support us so I tell you not to and I'm the childish one? Are you having a laugh mate. Of course I'd rather us be winning and playing fast attacking football but I'm not going to throw my dummy out and pull out the 'I can't support us playing like this' card. I'll support my team however bad we are and any of true fan would.

That guy is just infantile. Why debate with him. I think most of us would say we played quite well today and give ourselves some credit, we flat shut them down save that stupid last goal.

 

[Janson]

It was an off day for Arsenal because we completely dominated them.

Exactly. The tactics were spot on and we dominated the midfield. We always managed to break up their attacks and disrupt their play. At times we were all over them but we just lacked that final bit of creativity and end product.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

BTW, leaving aside that we should have had a penalty given, how many clear cut chances were created today?

For us I recall Mata having two good chances one of which he scored from, and Rojo missing a free header but he's a defender.

Arsenal had the Sanchez chance infront of goal early on, and Giroud's chance which he finished off right at the end.

What have a I missed? Martial had a coupe of shots neither of which were good chances really.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Exactly. The tactics were spot on and we dominated the midfield. We always managed to break up their attacks and disrupt their play. At times we were all over them but we just lacked that final bit of creativity and end product.

We needed Ibra today. We had two youngster with confidence issues. Ibra has just come off a good game against Swansea, but was unfortunately banned.

 

[edcunited1878]

Felt like a loss but ok I edited it.
It is tactically wrong if your defense is incapable of not conceding. Also you don't change a winning approach. We clearly did.

Arsenal changed their approach of trying not to lose all 3 points and brought on Xhaxa, Giroud and Ox-Cham. You have to defend and while I don't agree how early United defended with a deep line, United got punished after going off for a few seconds. That's the quality of the league and Arsenal.

Don't agree. We were too conservative. We barely did enough to score one goal, let alone score another that would've put the game to bed. Instead, we retreated. Arsenal clearly weren't at it today and yet we let them escape with a point.

I'm not spoiled, if I have seen the team play really well, left nothing on the field and entertained then I'll be content coming away from OT - win, lose or draw.

My anger and apathy towards this current United squad is their lack of hunger, fight, desire. And the pedestrian speed at which they do everything.

So you didn't support the team today at SAF Stand Tier 1 due to your anger and apathy?

 

[christinaa]

I disagree with some comments here:

We played well and dominated Arsenal and unfortunately they got lucky at the end.

I feel that Mourinho is slowly building the team - you must remember that we are coming from a few bad years under Moyes/Van Gaal.

I think that the January transfer window could help Mourinho to plug a few positions which need fixing, then we'll be up there with Arsenal/City/Chelsea.

 

[Jacko21]

Arsenal changed their approach of trying not to lose all 3 points and brought on Xhaxa, Giroud and Ox-Cham. You have to defend and while I don't agree how early United defended with a deep line, United got punished after going off for a few seconds. That's the quality of the league and Arsenal.


So you didn't support the team today at SAF Stand Tier 1 due to your anger and apathy?

If by the way of support, you mean did I encourage the team, yes I did. But I also lamented the fact that too many individuals aren't working hard enough. They're too comfortable. Too happy to be static. To slow things down. Hey, maybe we aren't as fit as other teams, because other than laziness and a lack of hunger, that's the only reason I can think of for being us so pedestrian at times.

 

[Fracture90]

Yea that is what happend, wtf I don't have video material and idk where to get it but it was clear enough on tv and it was also dicussed on my channel during half time and saw plenty of reviews to see that he went studs first with a stretched leg on Jenkison.

Also tripping someone is not getting yellow for nothing.

Jezus take of your galsses, we were lucky not to be down to 10 men by minute 33. In the same way we were unlucky not to get a stonewall penalty.

It not all black and white...

If that was for 2nd yellow than mate best if you keep watching cricket.

Tell me why was Mata booked?