How can you not be embarrassed by that?
How can you not be embarrassed by that?
I'm not disputing either of those facts though. Mourinho is brilliant and I would have gladly taken him here after Fergie but I think Van Gaal, if properly backed, could reach greater heights here.
We played the underdog in big european matches for years, just like Mourinho does. I'd like to see us creating a dominant possession team for a change.
I challenge you to come up with a Mourinho side that is better than LVG's Ajax.of course.
Because we arent idiots.
Why the hell would you be embarrassed about winning 1-0 without your two main forwards vs the leagues form side? Seriously whats wrong with peoples mentality? We werent playing Hull, we were playing United, or have people forgotten who they are?
This forum is getting like RAWK when we have a good result these days!
2004-06 Chelsea. Plus football has moved on a lot since then, I dont think he translates as well into this era.
He got his tactics spot on, people will always find something to moan about after a defeat.
Doesn't make this any less retarded though.
Doesn't make this any less retarded though.
Are we talking about the same van Gaal who won the CL with Ajax prolly the youngest ( and mostly homegrown players ) ever ?? Beating Real Madrid twice and Ac Milan 3x ??
That was an amazing team and manager combo, the best the PL has ever seen over the 2004/05 season.
29% possession at home. The man is a genius
Not only that. They had 30% possession at home to a club who started a man up top on his own, who gave away 30% of ball he received. More if you include the 3/3 shots he missed the target with.
Absolutely not. As much as winning the league is amazing, playing shithouse football like Mourinho gets his sides playing is not what I want at United.
Because you still had Oscar Hazard Fabregas, etc. It's pathetic.
I don't think we have the players to beat Barca or Bayern with a possession game for the foreseeable future, Sir Alex's game plan back in 07-09 is our best chance next season.
Not a chance. I'd hate to see my team set up like Chelsea were today.
Wasn't even the best Premier League team of the decade, let alone better than Ajax.
Fvck BORE-inho. Fvck him, thats all
United 07/08 was probably the better team.
No, never wanted this
Poll should be changed to - in the summer of 2017 will Chelsea fans still want him as manager, or will we have to wake them up having been bored to a state of torpor and not having won the title since 2015
Poll should be changed to - in the summer of 2017 will Chelsea fans still want him as manager, or will we have to wake them up having been bored to a state of torpor and not having won the title since 2015
All the possession in the world can be fruitless. Possession is a fools errand, only goals count.
At the risk of looking like I'm just making a dig at Chelsea, I think that as they don't really have an established history of winning with good attacking football (like United or Arsenal), they (Chelsea fans) are more likely to accept defensive football than Arsenal or United fans. You could be bitchy and say that that's proof we have higher standards but I'm not going to.
I think most fans would be too happy with the result to consider what tactics were used to achieve, anyone who says otherwise is lying. Maybe if United had played defensively and lost, they'd be outraged, but if United were squeaking over the finish line(like Chelsea is right now), had just scored a very important three points vs a big rival, I doubt fans would care much.
Sorry Cal but that's awful.
Unsurprising though. Cal? Consistently picks the wrong person to back in all these "battles".
Its very close, I dont think im being bias, Im just going on points total and goals conceded/scored.
Yet again someone from the Barca (and all related parties) can do no wrong brigade.
If Guardiola doesn't turn it round next week, it'd go down as one of the most shocking results in the CL ever.
Considering that we won UCL too that season (while won the league both in the previous and the season after that, reaching UCL final on the season after that too), I don't think that it is that close.
LVG's Ajax was better than that Chelsea and probably better than United 2007-2009 too.
Never did want him, never will. His tactic of letting the other team have the ball and wait for them to make a mistake is a cowardly one. He's also a dick.
One can argue in 04/05 you had weaker oppositions, but it's close.
Do not agree.
Youngest team ever to win UCL, whle reaching the final on the next season too (and actually losing on pens). More dominant than probably any other team (bar Pep's Barca) on modern era.
They really shouldn't be squeaking over the line though. They're comfortably better than every other side in the league. Liverpool lost their best player and might not even get top 4 and City have fallen apart. Their only competition at this stage is Arsenal who have been 2 players off winning the league for an eternity and us who finished 7th last year. Maybe they know they've won it and have gotten complacent but they should win this league easily.
Mourinho's football is often annoying to watch, even as a neutral (nearly fell asleep watching Chelsea vs City), but gets you the results more often than not so I'll take him.
I'm fine with him being defensive. He's entitled to set up his team whatever way he wants, and heck he does get results.
But can we not call him a "tactical genius" and a "mastermind" for coming up with these tactics. Playing 10 men behind the ball and playing on the counter is a tactic that has been used for decades by managers. Every time a Mourinho team does it though, people fawn over him like he's invented the defensive approach.
But can we not call him a "tactical genius" and a "mastermind" for coming up with these tactics. Playing 10 men behind the ball and playing on the counter is a tactic that has been used for decades by managers. Every time a Mourinho team does it though, people fawn over him like he's invented the defensive approach.
Why? The way people act you'd think it wasn't possible to win while playing good football. Everyone who thinks this Chelsea side isn't capable of winning trophies at the same time as playing a more attacking brand of football is an idiot.
I say otherwise and I can assure you I am not lying.
It would appear we watch football for very different reasons though.
United reach the final the next year too (and would probably have won it if not for the incompetence of Ovebro). Also, we're talking about those teams as things were, I don't see them being young makes any difference.
If it was so easy to set up that 'Park the bus' tactic, you'd imagine many more managers will be doing it and winning games, the fact is, he's by far the best at doing it.
But today they did not need both,they needed a draw in worst and win in best case scenario.Even i did not watch all of their games this season,doubt they played same way through whole season.
Against teams that you think going on head to head against is not a good idea, a defensive approach is certainly more plausible than an attack minded one.
It's not like Mourinho does this every game, either.
No one is calling him innovative though. He didn't discover (or even refresh a tactic) - like Michels with total football, or Pep with tiki taka - but he implements this defensive football very good. Possibly no-one has done it better before.
I just can't understand that attitude at all. Who wants to support a football team that has a manager who doesn't even try to play good football? feck that. I'd stop watching football if all that mattered was results, may as well just check the score after every game.
And he may not do it every game but he does it way, way more than teams at the level of Chelsea should be doing.