[Poll] We desperately need a striker

Which striker should we buy ?


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There is one reason why harry kane is not a much of a risk as people might think. I say this because if van gaal wants a player then they really do have to meet up to a certain standard and not just have the ability to put the ball in the net. If LVG has seen enough and deems him capable of meeting up to his total football philosophy, that is half thr job already done.

Yep, Kane might actually be one of the best candidates (outside of Lewandowski, Benzema and co.) when it comes to meeting the qualifiers for a Van Gaal type striker.

High work-rate is very underrated quality among strikers but of paramount importance under Louis. He will even prioritize a grafter who will work tirelessly within the constraints of the system than a finesse player who might be better overall in terms of productivity, but is lacking in the defensive side of the game (eg. Olic over Gomez even though the latter was a better forward at the time). And Kane really shines in this department. Not exactly Mandzukic levels yet, but Pocchettino's teams always player in a high-press system and he is always buzzing around in between the center-halves, or pressing further upfield, or dropping into deeper zones to maintain the integrity of Tottenham's defensive shape, and IIRC he won 30 tackles in the league last season - a very impressive number for a center forward. Such a refreshing attitude too. A lot of strikers have the propensity to get flustered when they're not scoring in a match, and they can essentially become liabilities the more frustrated they get. But Kane really evidenced the ability the work for his team-mates even when he wasn't necessarily having his best day goal-scoring wise.

This stat from Dec, 2014 illustrates his hard-working nature almost perfectly (and he didn't even score vs Swansea) :

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Then he showed the ability to hold the ball up as a solitary striker in Tottenham's starting XI, a trait that will benefit any potential transition into United's probable 1-4-3-3 setup. Really strong as the focal point of attack (there were times last season when he shouldered all attacking responsibilities in the final third, especially when Eriksen went off the boil for a bit). In terms of physical presence and technical skill he resembles the prototypical Van Gaal striker too. Quite tall, decent speed, good range in terms of covering the ground, underrated technique, quality header of the ball, can shoot with either foot.

Now to be fair, he will never be a Drogba type powerhouse, but once he matures and piles on the muscles, he should be able to handle even the toughest opposition defenders the way a Van Persie could once he bulked up a bit, infact he fared really well against Terry last season. And Chelsea's defense under Mourinho is as hard as is gets. His variety in terms of goals scored is really impressive too. Outside the box, as a poacher, on the turn, off corners and set-pieces. Some of them aren't the most eye-catching in an aesthetic sense but that's because he generally seems to be in the right place at the right time, negating the need for wasted movement at the last second. And in terms of fundamental goal-scoring technique - he always aims to keep the shot down and wide from distance (scored a few of those last season too). A lot of his long-range efforts are with the ball touching the side-netting which indicates that he wants to put the ball as far away from the goalkeeper as possible to maximize the chance for scoring a goal.

Plus, you won't have to worry him getting into trouble off the field. Seems really grounded, and dedicated to the craft. That sort of attitude is always heartening to see, and suits a trainer coach like Van Gaal perfectly. Even if a player has flaws, Louis treats them as a pet project and is always open to the idea of sorting things out on the training field.

eg.
UEFA.com: Who's the best trainer in the camp?

Gibson: The standard of training is really high but I would have to say Harry Kane. I have no doubt what he has done this season is because of what he does on the training pitch. Every single day he is at his best – he puts 110% in, whether it is the warm-up, a shooting drill or even a tactical shape where he is defending. His attitude is phenomenal and he deserves everything he gets because he is not somebody who just turns up and does it on a match day. He really does apply himself in training and is a top pro.

The biggest deficiency might be his limited sample size. Can he deliver over multiple seasons ? But that doesn't really matter that much under a proponent of youth like Louis anyway. Apart from that he checks out almost every box. Though of course Kane seems very content at Tottenham, and in terms of investment he might be a very risky proposition, given Levy's greedy nature. That's probably the only major downside.
 
There aren't any high class successors available this year. It generally a bad vintage year to pick up a top class striker, so a capable player who can slide in if Rooney is injured would seem appropriate.

Completely agree. I'd rather spend 32m on Benteke personally than £50m on Kane.
 
Benzema had more to his game, he was dangerous from inside and outside the box and could run at players with the ball. These are things Lacazette doesn't do as well nor as often.
This video shows exactly what you described

 
Benzema had more to his game, he was dangerous from inside and outside the box and could run at players with the ball. These are things Lacazette doesn't do as well nor as often.

Sort of sounds like Lacazette last season.
 
I think it's absolute bollocks that Di Maria will be leaving, but I'll answer anyways ;). With Di Maria leaving we will be light on options for the right wing and striker. We would have Mata(a false winger- not van Gaal's ideal) and Januzaj (he's staying, but will have to improve dramatically) with the addition of Young and Memphis who are better on the left. Valencia is our new rightback and squad depth so not really a replacement. The only player who could potentially fill both gaps is Griezmann, given I haven't seen enough of him I can't judge him as a striker. He could play on the right wing though and could be available for a big bag of cash. The problem remains that van Gaal's ideal striker and ideal winger are different, I can only think of Muller who can play both positions to van Gaal's liking - but even then Muller is a better van Gaal 10.

With the way we've solved our midfield issues so thoroughly I doubt that Griezmann as our only solution will happen though. If Di Maria goes, we will buy a striker and right winger.

Wow, I think buying two in would be very difficult but I am surprised you are so sure on Di Maria, he seems to me like Rivaldo was for LvG, just not suited to having to follow such strict instructions. It is going to be very hard to buy a striker in the mold he likes who is also willing to sit on the bench, but if you are right then do you think he'd also bench Rooney if he was playing poorly?
 
Can any posters shed their knowledge of Gabbiadini? Does he fit the sort of profile van Gaal looks for in a forward.
He played as right winger as well as CAM for Napoli at times, so I think there is more to his game than just being a striker, which is what Van Gaal would like to see. Seems to be really good technically too and that's a plus. He's also really good at holding up the ball. I think he had a really good season, scoring 20 goals from 22 starts. However, I'm not sure if he could sustain his form for last season because he wasn't all that impressive before then...
 
How about Griezzman ? He can play out wide but last season was primarily a striker under Simeone and did very well. He isn't a target man though.

Could also make a run at Icardi ? (he's signed a new deal but could be available for a big fee.)
 
Wow, I think buying two in would be very difficult but I am surprised you are so sure on Di Maria, he seems to me like Rivaldo was for LvG, just not suited to having to follow such strict instructions. It is going to be very hard to buy a striker in the mold he likes who is also willing to sit on the bench, but if you are right then do you think he'd also bench Rooney if he was playing poorly?

We would demand at least 60m Pound for Di Maria with a 4 year deal, that used to be 75m Euro but this year it is closer to 85m Euro. PSG still have to break even this year (so they're forced to sell or spend pretty much their whole budget). They also don't pay as much wages as we do, add this to the fact Di Maria expressed his desire to stay I just can't see him leaving. They don't do swap deals and El-Khelaifi isn't a fan of overpaying either. No other club in the world is as rich as us or daft enough to pay what we want.

I can see Di Maria being a succes on the (right) wing. We're well on our way to fix all the area's we lacked in the squad (mainly defensive-meaning we fielded XI's which weren't great going forward but balanced) and this should benefit him massively, wingers are very important for van Gaal's style and Di Maria to me has shown enough potential as a van Gaal player. With freedom on the right (yes, ofcourse he still has to adapt more) he can be our creative spark and gamechanger. I still have high hopes for him and would really be surprised if we sold him after just 1 season. Van Gaal does have a little knowledge of finances and won't just flog Di Maria for a loss.

I'm also confident Rooney will be benched if his performances go to sh*t. We've seen it happen to Di Maria and Falcao, Wayne is no exception. He will have more credit as captain but van Gaal isn't blind, stubborn or stupid. We will bring in (hopefully fierce) competition for him and he won't play every match of next season anyways at 30, that's why I don't see this captain always plays as a negative thing really. We also just convinced Schneiderlin who is looking at Herrera, Schweinsteiger, Carrick, Blind and Fellaini as competition. Doubt many strikers will be put off by 'just' Wayne Rooney, we also pay nicely for our bench players.
 
Is he the real deal or is he the French Defoe? Could be either from that video and I haven't seen enough of him.

He has good movement and is a good finisher. I think he will do very well if we signed him.
 
We would demand at least 60m Pound for Di Maria with a 4 year deal, that used to be 75m Euro but this year it is closer to 85m Euro. PSG still have to break even this year (so they're forced to sell or spend pretty much their whole budget). They also don't pay as much wages as we do, add this to the fact Di Maria expressed his desire to stay I just can't see him leaving. They don't do swap deals and El-Khelaifi isn't a fan of overpaying either. No other club in the world is as rich as us or daft enough to pay what we want.

I can see Di Maria being a succes on the (right) wing. We're well on our way to fix all the area's we lacked in the squad (mainly defensive-meaning we fielded XI's which weren't great going forward but balanced) and this should benefit him massively, wingers are very important for van Gaal's style and Di Maria to me has shown enough potential as a van Gaal player. With freedom on the right (yes, ofcourse he still has to adapt more) he can be our creative spark and gamechanger. I still have high hopes for him and would really be surprised if we sold him after just 1 season. Van Gaal does have a little knowledge of finances and won't just flog Di Maria for a loss.

I'm also confident Rooney will be benched if his performances go to sh*t. We've seen it happen to Di Maria and Falcao, Wayne is no exception. He will have more credit as captain but van Gaal isn't blind, stubborn or stupid. We will bring in (hopefully fierce) competition for him and he won't play every match of next season anyways at 30, that's why I don't see this captain always plays as a negative thing really. We also just convinced Schneiderlin who is looking at Herrera, Schweinsteiger, Carrick, Blind and Fellaini as competition. Doubt many strikers will be put off by 'just' Wayne Rooney, we also pay nicely for our bench players.

I agree that we wont be short changed for Di Maria, we are showing in this transfer window that we are not going to be mugged off like last year, the shoe is now on the other foot. However haven't PSG just had their FFP restrictions lifted? Also if Di Maria was their only buy then wouldn't they be able to afford him?

I have honestly not seen much to suggest Di Maria has the type of discipline in him to play as LvG likes, I also have to wonder if he offers anywhere near enough goal threat for a front 3 player, especially when you consider LvG has said he expects goals across the front line.

Good point about LvG having shown no qualms about benching other big names when he felt the team would benefit, and I can imagine he will be happy enough for either Schweinsteiger or Carrick to be Captain in Rooney's absence. I think Rooney might even play better if he felt he had genuine competition for his starting spot.
 
Nope I didn't.
One was more involved in his team's game and build up and one often benefits from the superb work of his teammates.
Can't help if you cannot read. Of course Benzema is better, but it's not likely United can get him.
 
Yep, Kane might actually be one of the best candidates (outside of Lewandowski, Benzema and co.) when it comes to meeting the qualifiers for a Van Gaal type striker.

High work-rate is very underrated quality among strikers but of paramount importance under Louis. He will even prioritize a grafter who will work tirelessly within the constraints of the system than a finesse player who might be better overall in terms of productivity, but is lacking in the defensive side of the game (eg. Olic over Gomez even though the latter was a better forward at the time). And Kane really shines in this department. Not exactly Mandzukic levels yet, but Pocchettino's teams always player in a high-press system and he is always buzzing around in between the center-halves, or pressing further upfield, or dropping into deeper zones to maintain the integrity of Tottenham's defensive shape, and IIRC he won 30 tackles in the league last season - a very impressive number for a center forward. Such a refreshing attitude too. A lot of strikers have the propensity to get flustered when they're not scoring in a match, and they can essentially become liabilities the more frustrated they get. But Kane really evidenced the ability the work for his team-mates even when he wasn't necessarily having his best day goal-scoring wise.

This stat from Dec, 2014 illustrates his hard-working nature almost perfectly (and he didn't even score vs Swansea) :

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Then he showed the ability to hold the ball up as a solitary striker in Tottenham's starting XI, a trait that will benefit any potential transition into United's probable 1-4-3-3 setup. Really strong as the focal point of attack (there were times last season when he shouldered all attacking responsibilities in the final third, especially when Eriksen went off the boil for a bit). In terms of physical presence and technical skill he resembles the prototypical Van Gaal striker too. Quite tall, decent speed, good range in terms of covering the ground, underrated technique, quality header of the ball, can shoot with either foot.

Now to be fair, he will never be a Drogba type powerhouse, but once he matures and piles on the muscles, he should be able to handle even the toughest opposition defenders the way a Van Persie could once he bulked up a bit, infact he fared really well against Terry last season. And Chelsea's defense under Mourinho is as hard as is gets. His variety in terms of goals scored is really impressive too. Outside the box, as a poacher, on the turn, off corners and set-pieces. Some of them aren't the most eye-catching in an aesthetic sense but that's because he generally seems to be in the right place at the right time, negating the need for wasted movement at the last second. And in terms of fundamental goal-scoring technique - he always aims to keep the shot down and wide from distance (scored a few of those last season too). A lot of his long-range efforts are with the ball touching the side-netting which indicates that he wants to put the ball as far away from the goalkeeper as possible to maximize the chance for scoring a goal.

Plus, you won't have to worry him getting into trouble off the field. Seems really grounded, and dedicated to the craft. That sort of attitude is always heartening to see, and suits a trainer coach like Van Gaal perfectly. Even if a player has flaws, Louis treats them as a pet project and is always open to the idea of sorting things out on the training field.

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The biggest deficiency might be his limited sample size. Can he deliver over multiple seasons ? But that doesn't really matter that much under a proponent of youth like Louis anyway. Apart from that he checks out almost every box. Though of course Kane seems very content at Tottenham, and in terms of investment he might be a very risky proposition, given Levy's greedy nature. That's probably the only major downside.
very good post, Agree 100%

As it seems very unlikely that they would sell him this summer so I think we should be after some other striker, short term option - loan move like we did with Falcao and then be in for Kane if he prove himself, also it won't be after his breakthrough season so he would leave a bit easily knowing he played for them another season. The price tag would be ridiculous though, I can imagine it would surpass Sterling but let's wait on him.

We should get him no matter what he's exactly what we need though. Apart other things I love his work rate, him up front would mean that we would be even better at pressing, already with Herrera and Schneiderlin in midfield we will hunt the ball high up the pitch and the game will be much faster I feel, we won't see as slow passing from the back but penetrating opponents quite sooner make use of their open defense. Can't wait for it!
 
Griezman looks the exact opposite of the kind of player I expect us to look for. He's more a forward than a striker, and doesn't really play with back to goal.

Yeah, he's quite fluid and definitely not a target man type player if we are looking at that. But then neither is Rooney.

I'd actually prefer that fluid Aguero, Suarez type striker option which can lead to a more fluid front 4 but Not sure LVG does. He might want a target man hence the Kane interest.
 
I agree that we wont be short changed for Di Maria, we are showing in this transfer window that we are not going to be mugged off like last year, the shoe is now on the other foot. However haven't PSG just had their FFP restrictions lifted? Also if Di Maria was their only buy then wouldn't they be able to afford him?

I have honestly not seen much to suggest Di Maria has the type of discipline in him to play as LvG likes, I also have to wonder if he offers anywhere near enough goal threat for a front 3 player, especially when you consider LvG has said he expects goals across the front line.

Good point about LvG having shown no qualms about benching other big names when he felt the team would benefit, and I can imagine he will be happy enough for either Schweinsteiger or Carrick to be Captain in Rooney's absence. I think Rooney might even play better if he felt he had genuine competition for his starting spot.

Thijs Slegers (PSV watcher who broke Memphis to MUFC and now officially works for PSV) has a very good relationship with Zlatan since his Ajax days. Therefore he's done many articles on PSG aswell (van der Wiel going there was also a factor) and with El-Khelaifi. PSG their penalties(?) have been lifted but they are still on the wrong side of the spectrum to be financially healthy for FFP (just within the acceptable bounds). They need to break even this season, no more going out than coming in. To then buy Di Maria for 85m+ and pay him bigger wages than Zlatan/Cavani would unsettle them massively. They'll be playing catch-up again to balance their books and each contract extension would become much more expensive aswell. Rabiot and another midfielder look likely to leave and therefore I can't see them spending their entire budget on Di Maria. They might be interested but I think that will be for the long term, buying him with a 4 year deal left when we are already doing so much business (and therefore would rather avoid replacing Di Maria aswell) in this transfer window seems too unlikely for me. They won't get Di Maria for their price so he's staying.

I really wish I could explain better what I think Di Maria could bring to the team but my lack of English vocabulaire really hampers me. He isn't much of a proven goalscorer (always chips in with a few though), but he never was so I don't think we've bought him for that. He will show it himself next season what he's bought for ;)
 
Thijs Slegers (PSV watcher who broke Memphis to MUFC and now officially works for PSV) has a very good relationship with Zlatan since his Ajax days. Therefore he's done many articles on PSG aswell (van der Wiel going there was also a factor) and with El-Khelaifi. PSG their penalties(?) have been lifted but they are still on the wrong side of the spectrum to be financially healthy for FFP (just within the acceptable bounds). They need to break even this season, no more going out than coming in. To then buy Di Maria for 85m+ and pay him bigger wages than Zlatan/Cavani would unsettle them massively. They'll be playing catch-up again to balance their books and each contract extension would become much more expensive aswell. Rabiot and another midfielder look likely to leave and therefore I can't see them spending their entire budget on Di Maria. They might be interested but I think that will be for the long term, buying him with a 4 year deal left when we are already doing so much business (and therefore would rather avoid replacing Di Maria aswell) in this transfer window seems too unlikely for me. They won't get Di Maria for their price so he's staying.

I really wish I could explain better what I think Di Maria could bring to the team but my lack of English vocabulaire really hampers me. He isn't much of a proven goalscorer (always chips in with a few though), but he never was so I don't think we've bought him for that. He will show it himself next season what he's bought for ;)

Understood, I thought they were free to go back to splurging. I guess if Di Maria badly wants out he'll accept the wage cut, but we would also have to maybe go for a payment structure where we got 2 thirds this summer and the final third next summer.

Fair enough, I like Di Maria I am just not sure we have the manager or league that best suits him, and for the record your English is excellent nmate. :)
 
I'd actually prefer that fluid Aguero, Suarez type striker option which can lead to a more fluid front 4 but Not sure LVG does. He might want a target man hence the Kane interest.

It's far more likely that the "fluid Aguero, Suarez type" involves being very very very very good at football and as such there are 3-4 in the world, none of whom we have access to. I'm willing to bet he'd take Aguero in a second if the chance arose.
 
Give Hernandez another go
Definitely not. Hernandez biggest flaw was his play outside of the box -- under Fergie, that was bad enough, but he got away with it because all he had to do with be in the right place at the right time to finish, was a poacher. I get the feeling that a LvG striker will need to be excellent at holding the ball up. Hernandez simply isn't.

I'd go for Lacazette, would prefer Benteke or Lukaku to Kane though. Kane needs another season to convince me.
 
I mentioned during last season that I can see Fellaini being used as a striker for the coming season as a LVG converted player. He has all of the raw attributes and with our growing blend of creative and direct midfielders, he could really work well as a defensive forward to take the work load off them and bring them into play for the following reasons:
  • Long ball and cross option to draw short and play off a DM or full back a la Kevin Davies fame or provide flick ons when competing with a CB directly.
  • Will require man marking at nearly all times and monitoring by the other CB and DM thus drawing attention to himself and freeing space for others
  • In his last 13 matches for club and country he scored 8 goals. That is form any normal striker would be proud of.
  • At set plays can challenge anybody, including goalkeeper.
  • Could be used in a 4-2-3-1 as the 1 or as withdrawn in a tight 4-6-0 / deep 4-3-3.
At worst, he could be just as effective a flat track bully vs mid-lower level opposition as Benteke or Lukaku without the £32.5m expenditure. He also has better movement imo than Benteke.

Now, that aside, if we take last seasons form as gospel then statistically Kane is the best bet from Benteke, Lukaku, Sakho and himself.

I did this quick breakdown a few pages ago comparing some achievable strikers with the elite ones excluding the Spanish based big hitters not called Karim Benzema. It's crude analysis at the raw stats so pinches of salt are needed - it doesn't account for level of opposition, formations etc etc. Still worth a look.

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I really can't decide even if we should buy a new striker or not.

We have Rooney, Wilson and Hernandez. If Hernandez iz off we must buy a new striker but if he stays i think 3 players are enough for 1 spot. And if we buy who we should buy? We have Rooney who is quite a good striker and Wilson who will be 20 this year and soon in 2-3 seasons he will became our main striker or he will leave like Welbeck did. Hernandez if he stays will be for numbers here.

Rooney is great striker to be fair. He scored 14 goals last season which is quite disappointing but we must know that he played in midfield a lot of matches and we didn't create a lot of chances last season for him. He is 29 and he should be on top for 3-4 years. Yes there are question marks if he is in decline but we must not forget that when he has a chance he score. I just miss his headers. In his most prolific season he scored most goals with his head and now he rarely do that. Where this ability has gone?
Wilson is one for the future but he need to play. I am afraid that his progress will be stalled if we will buy a new striker. I hope this will not be the case.

And who we should buy if we are in the market for a striker? There are only two options. We buy a striker who will be just for the numbers like Benteke (which i hope we will not do) or we search for a striker who will challenge Rooney for the spot in the first team which we should do. Problem is there are not a lot of strikers available which are better than Rooney.
I don't like Benzema because i think he would not be an upgrade to Rooney and will bring only trouble in our dressing room. Then there are players like Kane and Lacazette. Both had really good season but it must be said they will not throw Rooney out of the first team. But they can develop in greate strikers.

I would go for Kane. I admire his hard work, he has great linkup play, can head the ball, has powerful shoot. But he has proved himself only for one season and he could struggle under the pressure. I don't know, i hope van Gaal can pull the rabit out of the hat on this one.
 
Definitely not. Hernandez biggest flaw was his play outside of the box -- under Fergie, that was bad enough, but he got away with it because all he had to do with be in the right place at the right time to finish, was a poacher. I get the feeling that a LvG striker will need to be excellent at holding the ball up. Hernandez simply isn't.

I'd go for Lacazette, would prefer Benteke or Lukaku to Kane though. Kane needs another season to convince me.

I agree his hold up play is lacking. However, in LVG's system the job of the striker is often to not get involved in build-up play and to occupy the centre-backs by playing on the last line of defence. Hernandez would do a decent job in a system like that as a backup, I feel. I wouldn't be happy going into the season with Rooney, Hernandez, Wilson but we still need a centre-half and probably a goalkeeper aswell in this window.
 

If Lacazette played one fewer game and scored six more goals than Kane, how are his stats worse (although, this does only take into account goals scored in league competition). Maybe I'm reading it wrong.

*Never mind, I was reading it wrong.
 
Several sources claim that we are going for Cavani as our number one option.
This of course doesn't mean a thing, but would we be satisfied with him?
 
Several sources claim that we are going for Cavani as our number one option.
This of course doesn't mean a thing, but would we be satisfied with him?

If Di Maria is any part of it, NO.

The Cavani of Napoli. YES.

The Cavani of PSG - yes at a decent price, no at anything over £40m. Even though statistically his last 2 years haven't been great, he has played wide to Zlatan and his game has been sacrificed somewhat. He would still be a very effective, physical striker for us. Some of these goals are exquisite...

 
Several sources claim that we are going for Cavani as our number one option.
This of course doesn't mean a thing, but would we be satisfied with him?

Nowhere near the player he was in Italy, but he can play wide in a 4-3-3 so wouldn't necessarily be competing directly with Rooney (which may or may not be considered a good thing, depending on your perspective). Personally I'd rather go for someone a little younger and hungrier (Icardi, Lacazette).
 
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I think I'd go for Berahino. But if we were going to do that I'm sure we'd have wrapped it up before the tour.
 
I expect us to get one back-up striker in, especially if Hernandez leaves.

I do however think we're heavily reliant on Rooney staying fit and firing on all cylinders this season, in order to win anything of notice. Hopefully he'll enjoy being the first choice striker, with a proper midfield behind him. My guess is he'll win the golden boot or at least come close.

If Kane has a good season, I say we try our best to buy him next year, as Rooneys long term successor.