Barcelona and Manchester United don't use the same type of manager, Barcelona don't even use a manager.
Barcelona and Manchester United don't use the same type of manager, Barcelona don't even use a manager.
I think the circumstances are a bit different. Mourinho is practically their Fergie, he's by far their most successful manager and has brought the fans an immense amount of joy over the years.
It's easy for them to stand by him, especially when they have twats like Diego Costa running around on the field.
But if Mourinho was here instead of van Gaal, then yes, he would be getting a shellacking from the fans - we have different expectations due to different circumstances.
They share a similar long-term vision of how they want the club to progress and evolve - and that is noticeable in their appointments. Chelsea/Madrid/City are more short-term minded.
Not sure how you can say Barcelona don't use a manager.
"Cultural terrorist" is a bit harsh
They use a first team coach and 4 technical directors, their long term vision isn't supported by the first team coach but by the technical directors.
Not even sure what he means by that. Sounds like a typical headline to grab attention."Cultural terrorist" is a bit harsh
But they still use a manager. My point is that Mourinho is a stop-gap, short term manager who would not be brought in by Barcelona to do things his way.
From United's point of view, if the club wanted Mourinho he would've came in after Fergie. It's quite obvious that Bobby Charlton (from his comments at the time) among others did not want him at United because he simply doesn't suit the club.
He is not the type of manager either United or Barcelona would hire.
Probably in a way Mourinho has been 'found out'. I'm certainly not saying there's no substance to him, because it's a fine tactician who has learned from the best. But he himself has made the other stuff much more important, the mind games, the attitude, the intimidation of referee's, the drama queening, the siege mentality, the time waisting, the violent tackles and conduct. He has blown the non footballing stuff out of proportion to create some feeling of invincability, but that only works for so long, and now his teams are proven to be vincable, vulnerable even, with all their money and class players. It's not just Chelsea, there's also Madrid.
The next club he arrives, the players probably won't buy his confidence pumping speeches, because his magic is gone. "Trust me, because I guarantee succes" is not credible anymore, the guarantee is void. Probably his days as a one of the few great managers are over, he has to go back to his craftsmanship in football itself, he's good at it, but not the best.
The next club he arrives, the players probably won't buy his confidence pumping speeches, because his magic is gone. "Trust me, because I guarantee succes" is not credible anymore, the guarantee is void. Probably his days as a one of the few great managers are over, he has to go back to his craftsmanship in football itself, he's good at it, but not the best.
It depends on what you mean by Manager, as the first team head coach Luis Enrique is only responsible for the first team coaching. When a manager like LVG or SAF are responsible for all the football related matters.
My point is that Barcelona are closer to the other clubs you mentioned then they are to united.
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Klopp was in the relegation zone with Dortmund and got sacked yet we'd all have loved him here because of his previous success and his style of football. Jose's record is outstanding, it'd be a tough call whether to stick with lvg or go with José at this time. Obviously pep should be our number one priority.
Okay, I'll put it this way, do you think Barcelona would hire Mourinho as their first team manager and/or first team head coach? Irrespective of his previous links to Madrid.
Just checking if what you said has weight. Don't quite get where your coming from.
I don't know. I don't know how he left Barcelona and I don't know if he is willing to follow the "Barcelona blueprint".
Barcelona are like Ajax, they have a blueprint.
I was on the fence when he was first mentioned for the United job.
Now, no way. No way in feck do I want him managing us.
Now, no way. No way in feck do I want him managing us.
No way. The guy's a loon.
I've explained the similarities in the hiring habits of the clubs above. You just threw in Simeone, who has no real relevance to any of the clubs I mentioned.
Yes Barcelona are like Ajax in that respect. And Louis Van Gaal has been manager at Ajax, Barcelona and Manchester United. Mourinho has managed none of those clubs and I think he is unlikely to do so.
Is he my first choice? No
Would I mind him being our manager? No
Would I prefer him to Lvg? Yes
What do I vote then?
Would I mind him being our manager? No
Would I prefer him to Lvg? Yes
What do I vote then?
It probably wouldn't last five years
It would probably end badly
It would probably involve some boring football
But it could well involve multiple titles so I'd be happy to have him here.
It would probably end badly
It would probably involve some boring football
But it could well involve multiple titles so I'd be happy to have him here.
LVG = probable top 4 but no chance of the title, is leaving in a maximum of 18 months but probably 6 in truth
Mourinho = chance of title this season, and the removal of the looming LVG departure which has to play on the players minds
Do I like Mourinho? not particularly,
Would I prefer him to LVG? In spades
Can I see him long term building a dynasty? unlikely, but then he has had a problem with teams like Madrid and Chelsea because of clashing egos, not a problem at Porto or Italy where he left for bigger and better things, would there be the same clashing at UTD, it is a different club, different set up, different ethos, if he could settle anywhere and build, I reckon it could be Utd.
Mourinho = chance of title this season, and the removal of the looming LVG departure which has to play on the players minds
Do I like Mourinho? not particularly,
Would I prefer him to LVG? In spades
Can I see him long term building a dynasty? unlikely, but then he has had a problem with teams like Madrid and Chelsea because of clashing egos, not a problem at Porto or Italy where he left for bigger and better things, would there be the same clashing at UTD, it is a different club, different set up, different ethos, if he could settle anywhere and build, I reckon it could be Utd.
Nothing to do with likes and cultural terrorism. He is a manager with a great track record in the EPL and no doubt looking for revenge, with a club he wanted to manage when Moyes got the job, giving him the additional motivation to prove the board wrong. He even believes he could motivate Rooney. Yes I would take Jose not because he' a likeable bloke but because of his obvious credentials.
Why would we want to replace LvG's awful football with Mourinho's.
If we're not going for Guardiola then he's the next best thing for us. He could bring back the siege mentality and passion from the sidelines that we have missed since SAF left. Not to mention he's a proven winner in modern football (not 20 years ago).
I could see him winning us a title, but I could also see it as even more likely him having another 3rd year meltdown.
If we were going to 'rent' another manager for 3 years, there are better options. Or...at least there were...
If we were going to 'rent' another manager for 3 years, there are better options. Or...at least there were...
Agree to be fair.
Get Jose signed up now. Let him have a break until season's end then bring him to United like we should have in 2013.
Longevity and continuity are overrated. Almost zero managers stay beyond a few seasons but many have been blinded by SAF. If Mourinho joined us he'd almost certainly win a league title and give us a great shot at Europe, of course it would all fall to bits in season 3 or 4 but I'd take that for a few league titles and a genuine run at the CL.
Would prefer him to LVG and Giggs but would choose Ancelotti and Pep over him. Neither of those are going to happen so sign him up.
Why are people so keen about Ancelotti?
I understand the desire for Pep, but not sure Ancelotti has done it consistently anywhere in regards to winning league titles.
I understand the desire for Pep, but not sure Ancelotti has done it consistently anywhere in regards to winning league titles.
I prefer him to Giggs and gaz
I prefer him to leprosy.
Before you dismiss it, this was the guy that first said pedro was going to chelsea instead of utd hours before it happened.
We laughed it off at first as well but then
Same.
I voted no, because I don't actually want him. Would only take him should we miss out on Pep and Carlo.
Before you dismiss it, this was the guy that first said pedro was going to chelsea instead of utd hours before it happened.
We laughed it off at first as well but then
So we are interested in Mourinho but not Guardiola.
I can see him on the list of options, maybe at 4.
Before you dismiss it, this was the guy that first said pedro was going to chelsea instead of utd hours before it happened.
We laughed it off at first as well but then
Tbh this wont surprise me. Our CL exit was embarrassing and would've pissed off the board and I believe van Gaal's a few bad results away from getting the sack.
That's kinda a different poll though, I.e. "Is Jose your first choice"?
Maybe there should be more options on here. Yes or no doesn't work.
Hopefull both, you have to have more than one option.
I've voted 'no', but for those clamouring for the 'old times', hiring Jose would once again make us one of the most hated teams in the league again. Mind games with other managers, mind games with refs and rival fans, a desire to win at all costs, a no-nonsense cut-throat approach... reminds me of someone.