POLL ADDED: Would you want Jose Mourinho as the next Manchester United manager?

[Bojan11]

The reasons have all been stated.

Dull football.

Complete neglect and disinterest in youth and young players.

A disregard for long-term planning and an over-emphasis on the here and now (and his tenure basically).

A volatile character who eventually creates a shit-storm almost anywhere he goes.

His Real Madrid team played great football at times especially on the counter. His first spell at Chelsea with Duff and Robben they were good to watch. Chelsea were good to watch for the first six months of last season. In the big games he has been tight, but that's why he's had good records against the likes of Wenger and Fergie.

Even his Inter team scored 3 past the great Barca team and they played decent stuff too.

 

[prath92]

One of their loaned out players - Andreas Christensen - has played regularly at Monchengladbach and played the full 90 minutes when they beat Bayern 3:1 a couple of weeks ago. He won the 2015 Danish talent of the year award and seems to be someone they should integrate into their first team next year but knowing Chelsea they'll end up buying another CB for £30M in the summer.

I think their decision with Christensen next summer will say a lot about whether any of their talent will be given a chance.

Christensen was loaned for 2 years I think

 

[amolbhatia50k]

His Real Madrid team played great football at times especially on the counter. His first spell at Chelsea with Duff and Robben they were good to watch. Chelsea were good to watch for the first six months of last season. In the big games he has been tight, but that's why he's had good records against the likes of Wenger and Fergie.

Even his Inter team scored 3 past the great Barca team and they played decent stuff too.

His Madrid team played attacking football by default. It's the only Mourinho team I enjoyed watching and it wasn't because of him.

His Chelsea teams were mostly dull. He had great flair players but generally shunted them for pragmatism and solidarity.

Inter scored 3 goals past Barcelona which isn't really reflective of an exciting team. It's reflective of a good result. Inter were not great shakes to watch either.

When you win trophies you're bound to play some good stuff. But Mourinho is by nature a pragmatic and results-oriented manager, and his teams aren't the greatest to watch. This is pretty much accepted by most who have watched his teams. It's no surprise that of the 4 of Arsenal, Chelsea, City and United, the teams to have reached the summit of the PL over the last 15 years, Chelsea have been the most methodical of the lot, whereas the others have tended to play in a bit more of a carefree manner.

In fact, the year Chelsea truly did play some cavalier football, it was under Ancelotti

 

[Bojan11]

His Madrid team played attacking football by default. It's the only Mourinho team I enjoyed watching and it wasn't because of him.

His Chelsea teams were mostly dull. He had great flair players but generally shunted them for pragmatism and solidarity.

Inter scored 3 goals past Barcelona which isn't really reflective of an exciting team. It's reflective of a good result. Inter were not great shakes to watch either.

When you win trophies you're bound to play some good stuff. But Mourinho is by nature a pragmatic and results-oriented manager, and his teams aren't the greatest to watch. This is pretty much accepted by most who have watched his teams. It's no surprise that of the 4 of Arsenal, Chelsea, City and United, the teams to have reached the summit of the PL over the last 15 years, Chelsea have been the most methodical of the lot, whereas the others have tended to play in a bit more of a carefree manner.

In fact, the year Chelsea truly did play some cavalier football, it was under Ancelotti

That's not what a lot of Chelsea fans think. Ancelotti started off with a diamond and they were quite boring to watch. When he reverted back to the system that Jose put in place they looked much better.

That Inter team was good to watch, I felt.

When Chelsea had Duff and Robben on the wings they were great to watch. Sadly Robben was made of glass and Chelsea didn't really have a replacement for him.

Even Bayern under Pep last season without Robben, Ribery and Alaba they looked boring to watch because they had a lot of passers but not many players who can beat a man. That changed this season by them adding Costa and Coman.

I think your criticism of him about flair players is harsh too. Di Maria, Ozil and Benzema all shown under him by working hard. Di Maria under LVG rarely ran and was a lazy version. Robben was criticised a few years ago for not working hard enough. Heyneckes got him to run back and forward especially in the big games. Did you see his performance against Barca a few years ago? Fergie did the same with his wingers that's why he started Park or Valencia ahead of Nani.

The only forward who Fergie actually gave a free pass to was Ronaldo. Jose gave him a free pass also.

You can't have a go at Jose for that when Fergie was as conservative in big games also especially away from home. Jose played Zouma in midfield at times. But Fergie played Jones in midfield also. Fergie also played like 6 defenders against Arsenal at home in a FA Cup. It worked too. Just like this approach has worked for Jose over the years.

Even Wenger has gone for a more cautious approach in big games.

 

[NJM78]

His Madrid team played attacking football by default. It's the only Mourinho team I enjoyed watching and it wasn't because of him.

His Chelsea teams were mostly dull. He had great flair players but generally shunted them for pragmatism and solidarity.

Inter scored 3 goals past Barcelona which isn't really reflective of an exciting team. It's reflective of a good result. Inter were not great shakes to watch either.

When you win trophies you're bound to play some good stuff. But Mourinho is by nature a pragmatic and results-oriented manager, and his teams aren't the greatest to watch. This is pretty much accepted by most who have watched his teams. It's no surprise that of the 4 of Arsenal, Chelsea, City and United, the teams to have reached the summit of the PL over the last 15 years, Chelsea have been the most methodical of the lot, whereas the others have tended to play in a bit more of a carefree manner.

In fact, the year Chelsea truly did play some cavalier football, it was under Ancelotti

Mostly true, but I'd still take a dull and pragmatic but also great tactician who can get us winning again over a dull, I have only one tactic weirdo who wont. Mourinho also has a great pull for potential top players arriving here.

This though only if either Pep who is set to make an announcement imminently (as per reports) or Ancelloti are not available. I don't think many (or any) of us want Giggs in charge and I do not believe we will pull a manager from an already good job, Simeone for instance. So if Pep does say he is leaving we have a pool of three great managers on the market but if some reports are true two of them already have destinations sorted. We cannot afford to let all these managers go elsewhere, it would be madness on the clubs part.

 

[Cal?]

When you win trophies you're bound to play some good stuff. But Mourinho is by nature a pragmatic and results-oriented manager, and his teams aren't the greatest to watch. This is pretty much accepted by most who have watched his teams. It's no surprise that of the 4 of Arsenal, Chelsea, City and United, the teams to have reached the summit of the PL over the last 15 years, Chelsea have been the most methodical of the lot, whereas the others have tended to play in a bit more of a carefree manner.

You make pragmatism sound like a bad thing...

 

[amolbhatia50k]

That's not what a lot of Chelsea fans think. Ancelotti started off with a diamond and they were quite boring to watch. When he reverted back to the system that Jose put in place they looked much better.

Chelsea fans worship him so I wouldn't believe much of what they say. If he had reverted back to "Jose's system" his team should have been as boring as Jose's. Formations and tactics aside, his team was the most expansive and exciting Chelsea team I've seen even if it wasn't the best. It's no surprise that despite being their most successful manager, the most attractive football came under a different manager. So even at chelsea, "his" club the football was more entertaining under someone else. To give him credit for that, is completely incorrect.

That Inter team was good to watch, I felt.

They were decent. Nothing special, though. They didn't capture the imagination in attack like United, Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern or Dortmund teams have.

When Chelsea had Duff and Robben on the wings they were great to watch. Sadly Robben was made of glass and Chelsea didn't really have a replacement for him.

Yes, for a very short while. Players bang in form will elevate the team but Jose tactics in general made Chelsea a ruthless and efficient but unimaginative machine. It's basically what he aims for.

Even Bayern under Pep last season without Robben, Ribery and Alaba they looked boring to watch because they had a lot of passers but not many players who can beat a man. That changed this season by them adding Costa and Coman.

Apples and oranges. You're talking about a team ravaged with injuries. Pep's teams have always played with a certain style and flair. Mourinho's teams have always played with a certain pragmatism and handbreaks (in attack).

I think your criticism of him about flair players is harsh too. Di Maria, Ozil and Benzema all shown under him by working hard. Di Maria under LVG rarely ran and was a lazy version. Robben was criticised a few years ago for not working hard enough. Heyneckes got him to run back and forward especially in the big games. Did you see his performance against Barca a few years ago? Fergie did the same with his wingers that's why he started Park or Valencia ahead of Nani.

That's fair. I don't think getting your flair players working hard is a bad thing. But Mourinho's teams generally play with a certain solidarity first and then we'll see what we can do in attack. Look at how his Chelsea team played against PSG at home last season. It was a bit sad to see a team like Chelsea play like Norwich would at home against Manchester United. Cowardly football.

The only forward who Fergie actually gave a free pass to was Ronaldo. Jose gave him a free pass also.

Funnily enough, they two of them (Mourinho and Ronaldo) don't actually get along. It's not about giving one player a "free pass" for me. United teams under SAF barring a few odd times, always went for things and played on the front foot. We rarely played with one guy sat in front of the back four protecting Rio Ferdinand. Even if it not always came off, United teams pushed forward in a very different way to Chelsea, who first made sure Makelele covered John Terry. It's small point but it maybe tells you why I don't enjoy his teams. Chelsea for me has been the least interesting top premier league side for me over the last 10-12 years. I'd rather watch City or Arsenal anyday.

You can't have a go at Jose for that when Fergie was as conservative in big games also especially away from home. Jose played Zouma in midfield at times. But Fergie played Jones in midfield also. Fergie also played like 6 defenders against Arsenal at home in a FA Cup. It worked too. Just like this approach has worked for Jose over the years.

Even Wenger has gone for a more cautious approach in big games.

Come on now. You're just defending Jose for the sake of it. You're picking a few games here and there out of 25 year and 7 year careers and comparing two attack minded managers to a conservative manager. It's like stating that Klopp sometimes played Bender as a holding midfielder and saying he's similar to Mourinho.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

You make pragmatism sound like a bad thing...

When it's that vital, it indeed is, for me.

 

[Cal?]

When it's that vital, it indeed is, for me.

Intriguing... personally I'm all for pragmatism and efficiency.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Mostly true, but I'd still take a dull and pragmatic but also great tactician who can get us winning again over a dull, I have only one tactic weirdo who wont. Mourinho also has a great pull for potential top players arriving here.

Mourinho's possibly the biggest "weirdo" in football. And if we're switching from LVG I'd rather us go for someone a little more interesting, and capable of handling young players.

This though only if either Pep who is set to make an announcement imminently (as per reports) or Ancelloti are not available. I don't think many (or any) of us want Giggs in charge and I do not believe we will pull a manager from an already good job, Simeone for instance. So if Pep does say he is leaving we have a pool of three great managers on the market but if some reports are true two of them already have destinations sorted. We cannot afford to let all these managers go elsewhere, it would be madness on the clubs part.

The world doesn't contain just 2 or 3 managers who can do the job. Who heard of Klopp prior to Dortmund or knew Simeone would do such a phenomenal job? Maybe Pochettino, Tuchel etc will be the next. I'd rather go for one of those than Mourinho.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Intriguing... personally I'm all for pragmatism and efficiency.

I don't mind it in dozes. But IMO a big club should aspire to playing expansive football.

 

[Cal?]

I don't mind it in dozes. But IMO a big club should aspire to playing expansive football.

That's all very well, but trophies should come before style.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

That's all very well, but trophies should come before style.

They can come together.

 

[Treble]

Absolutely not.

Real broke him. Said it two years ago when Chelsea hired him. He won the title only because the other top teams were very poor for their usual standards. PSG exposed the weaknesses of his team and beat them with 10 man in London.

Pep would shit on him should he move to the PL.

 

[NJM78]

Mourinho's possibly the biggest "weirdo" in football. And if we're switching from LVG I'd rather us go for someone a little more interesting, and capable of handling young players.


The world doesn't contain just 2 or 3 managers who can do the job. Who heard of Klopp prior to Dortmund or knew Simeone would do such a phenomenal job? Maybe Pochettino, Tuchel etc will be the next. I'd rather go for one of those than Mourinho.

Yeah there is weird and there is van Gaal who is complete cuckoo.

Of course I know that and so does everyone but I was reflecting on the managers in the news right now and the ones most of our fans are talking about. Plus I said we would find it very difficult to take a manager who already has a top job, I just used Simeone as an example but there are many others.
The point I made is two of the big ones are available right now and another is set to announce if he is staying at Bayern beyond the summer. Considering we are going nowhere fast and have a manager on a short term basis I think it would be madness to let them all go elsewhere whilst we stick and bust.

 

[nick2004]

Poll:

Would you like to win the ELP any time soon?

- Yes
- No

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Yeah there is weird and there is van Gaal who is complete cuckoo.

Nonsense. You're jumping on the "our manager sux lol" bangwagon. Is poking the opposition staff in the eye not "completely cuckoo"? Or blaming your medical staff for treating an injured player? LVG has been saintly at United in comparison. Both he and Moyes at United haven't had an iota of Mourinho's mental-ness.

Of course I know that and so does everyone but I was reflecting on the managers in the news right now and the ones most of our fans are talking about. Plus I said we would find it very difficult to take a manager who already has a top job, I just used Simeone as an example but there are many others.
The point I made is two of the big ones are available right now and another is set to announce if he is staying at Bayern beyond the summer. Considering we are going nowhere fast and have a manager on a short term basis I think it would be madness to let them all go elsewhere whilst we stick and bust.

I don't really want Mourinho at United so for me it's two big managers who are becoming available that I'd like at OT. Pep is the first choice comfortably for me. Ancelotti's a very good choice but I'd also like us to consider all the rest of the managers with potential too if Pep isn't available.

I don't consider it madness to let Mourinho in particular go elsewhere. In fact, I'd prefer it.

 

[itso 7]

He's had the season I could only wish on Liverpool - even Moyes wasn't this bad - so the best thing he could do for himself is take a break for the next six months and evaluate his last two jobs because his behavior was a major contributor to how they all went tits up. He has to adjust certain things before he/we can think of a job at United or any other top club because jumping straight back in without recalibrating his methods will only end in disaster!

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Poll:

Would you like to win the ELP any time soon?

- Yes
- No

Of course he's the only manager who can win the PL, as is being proven this season.

 

[Bojan11]

@amolbhatia50k

Choosing the likes of Potchetinno and Tuchel ahead of Mourinho is crazy. I could understand Ancelotti and Pep.

But some people must have forgotten that it's coming to nearly 3 years without a trophy. I don't see us winning one this season. Mourinho is guaranteed to give you trophies.

I think you have to look at Querioz and how he influenced Fergie especially in the big games. We were never on the front foot against Arsenal yet always managed to beat them. Just like Jose has. The games against Chelsea and Liverpool were even. When we went to Anfield or Stamford Bridge, we'd sit back and play on the counter. How is that different to the approach Jose takes? When Chelsea came to Old Trafford last year they outplayed us. It wasn't the first time a Mourinho team has come to Old Trafford and outplayed us. I remember that 05/06 game where Chelsea destroyed us at the Bridge.

But towards the end of last season something happened and Jose changed his approach.

When we played Barca in 2008, we parked the bus. I wish we did that in 2009/2011 and we might have had a better chance rather than trying to go toe to toe with them.

I think you looking way too much into that PSG game. The year before that in the home game, Chelsea beat them. Sometimes you can't control what your players do on the field and that was one of those games for Jose. Guardiola couldn't get his team to beat 10 men Chelsea with Boswinga as CB and Ramieres RB for like 60 mins of the game. These things happen in football. Then you get at times Arsenal going down to 10 men against Chelsea and losing 6-0.

Yes, Jose is cautious in big games especially away games. But it's no different to what Fergie did in his last 10 years hence why our record in Europe improved.

 

[Utd7]

I would take him in a heartbeat. Especially if City get Pep. He might be needed, Jose is still a world class manager.

 

[Bojan11]

Absolutely not.

Real broke him. Said it two years ago when Chelsea hired him. He won the title only because the other top teams were very poor for their usual standards. PSG exposed the weaknesses of his team and beat them with 10 man in London.

Pep would shit on him should he move to the PL.

Fergie won the league in his last season because other teams were poor.

Man City won the league because apparently other teams were poor.

Whoever wins the league this year only because the other teams are poor.

Just maybe the EPL is just a poor league.

Pep couldn't beat Chelsea with 10 men. Does that count against him too?

 

[Rory 7]

Absolutely not.

Real broke him. Said it two years ago when Chelsea hired him. He won the title only because the other top teams were very poor for their usual standards. PSG exposed the weaknesses of his team and beat them with 10 man in London.

Pep would shit on him should he move to the PL.

I'm not so sure. I think not getting the United job broke him. I think he hated crawling back to Abramovich.

 

[Stack]

I would take him in a heartbeat. Especially if City get Pep. He might be needed, Jose is still a world class manager.

He is an utter cnut. He still uses the exact same football and tactics he did when he first appeared. He hasnt evolved. BTW, he is an utter cnut.

 

[Barca84]

He is an utter cnut. He still uses the exact same football and tactics he did when he first appeared. He hasnt evolved. BTW, he is an utter cnut.

I'm with you on this and if we hire him we will rue the day.

 

[Bojan11]

Nonsense. You're jumping on the "our manager sux lol" bangwagon. Is poking the opposition staff in the eye not "completely cuckoo"? Or blaming your medical staff for treating an injured player? LVG has been saintly at United in comparison. Both he and Moyes at United haven't had an iota of Mourinho's mental-ness.


I don't really want Mourinho at United so for me it's two big managers who are becoming available that I'd like at OT. Pep is the first choice comfortably for me. Ancelotti's a very good choice but I'd also like us to consider all the rest of the managers with potential too if Pep isn't available.

I don't consider it madness to let Mourinho in particular go elsewhere. In fact, I'd prefer it.

Have you missed the last 12 months? Guardiola has blamed his medical team and they left in protest. He was even filmed clapping at them sarcastically when a player came off injured.

He's also now blaming his new medical team for Riberys new injury.

 

[Treble]

Fergie won the league in his last season because other teams were poor.

Man City won the league because apparently other teams were poor.

Whoever wins the league this year only because the other teams are poor.

Just maybe the EPL is just a poor league.

Pep couldn't beat Chelsea with 10 men. Does that count against him too?

Barca outplayed Chelsea by far, just were very unlucky, whereas PSG outplayed Chelsea with 10 men. You can spot the difference.

I think that the problem with Mourinho is his narcissism. It helped him to an extent to become "the Special one" but it ruins now his charisma and his man-managing ability and turns him in the Unhappy one.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Have you missed the last 12 months? Guardiola has blamed his medical team and they left in protest. He was even filmed clapping at them sarcastically when a player came off injured.

He's also now blaming his new medical team for Riberys new injury.

Have you missed the last 10 years? Compare the Pep and Mourinho's careers so far and compare their behavior.

People get overly defensive of Mourinho. I understand those that take him for the mega-cnut that he is, the dull football his teams play and his couldn't give a rats ass about youth attitude, but like him for his character, winning mentality and trophies. But I don't understand those that defend his weaknesses till no end. They're there for everyone to see. You can like/rate him inspite of that.

 

[Bojan11]

Barca outplayed Chelsea by far, just were very unlucky, whereas PSG outplayed Chelsea with 10 men. You can spot the difference.

I think that the problem with Mourinho is his narcissism. It helped him to an extent to become "the Special one" but it ruins now his charisma and his man-managing ability and turns him in the Unhappy one.

Chelsea had Boswinga as their CB and Ramieres as their right back. I didn't see Cech making save after save.

Pep even put Pique up front for the last 10 minutes.

 

[Treble]

Chelsea had Boswinga as their CB and Ramieres as their right back. I didn't see Cech making save after save.

Pep even put Pique up front for the last 10 minutes.

People cited stats about that game in other threads, Barca had numerous chances and shots, that Chelsea team were the most lucky winner of a major trophey ever.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

@amolbhatia50k

Choosing the likes of Potchetinno and Tuchel ahead of Mourinho is crazy. I could understand Ancelotti and Pep.

Absolutely not. Mourinho stands for a lot of what I don't want in the next Manchester United manager. It's logical from that POV that I would prefer others. Besides, it's not set in stone that Pep, Ancelotti and Mourinho will be the most successful United managers should they become our manager, just like it wouldn't have been a guarantee for them to outdo what Klopp did at Dortmund or Simeone is doing at Athletico. There will be new top managers soon, and others will fall away, and the cycle continues.

But some people must have forgotten that it's coming to nearly 3 years without a trophy. I don't see us winning one this season. Mourinho is guaranteed to give you trophies.

There are no guarantees in life. Not even if Pep joins. Given there are no guarantees of Jose finishing in the top 10, it just goes to show how unpredictable life/football/management is.

I think you have to look at Querioz and how he influenced Fergie especially in the big games. We were never on the front foot against Arsenal yet always managed to beat them. Just like Jose has. The games against Chelsea and Liverpool were even. When we went to Anfield or Stamford Bridge, we'd sit back and play on the counter. How is that different to the approach Jose takes? When Chelsea came to Old Trafford last year they outplayed us. It wasn't the first time a Mourinho team has come to Old Trafford and outplayed us. I remember that 05/06 game where Chelsea destroyed us at the Bridge.

But towards the end of last season something happened and Jose changed his approach.

When we played Barca in 2008, we parked the bus. I wish we did that in 2009/2011 and we might have had a better chance rather than trying to go toe to toe with them.

I think you looking way too much into that PSG game. The year before that in the home game, Chelsea beat them. Sometimes you can't control what your players do on the field and that was one of those games for Jose. Guardiola couldn't get his team to beat 10 men Chelsea with Boswinga as CB and Ramieres RB for like 60 mins of the game. These things happen in football. Then you get at times Arsenal going down to 10 men against Chelsea and losing 6-0.

Yes, Jose is cautious in big games especially away games. But it's no different to what Fergie did in his last 10 years hence why our record in Europe improved.

I think you have to look at Querioz and how he influenced Fergie especially in the big games. We were never on the front foot against Arsenal yet always managed to beat them. Just like Jose has. The games against Chelsea and Liverpool were even. When we went to Anfield or Stamford Bridge, we'd sit back and play on the counter. How is that different to the approach Jose takes? When Chelsea came to Old Trafford last year they outplayed us. It wasn't the first time a Mourinho team has come to Old Trafford and outplayed us. I remember that 05/06 game where Chelsea destroyed us at the Bridge.

But towards the end of last season something happened and Jose changed his approach.

When we played Barca in 2008, we parked the bus. I wish we did that in 2009/2011 and we might have had a better chance rather than trying to go toe to toe with them.

I think you looking way too much into that PSG game. The year before that in the home game, Chelsea beat them. Sometimes you can't control what your players do on the field and that was one of those games for Jose. Guardiola couldn't get his team to beat 10 men Chelsea with Boswinga as CB and Ramieres RB for like 60 mins of the game. These things happen in football. Then you get at times Arsenal going down to 10 men against Chelsea and losing 6-0.

I think you're reading too much into individual games and trying to recreate reality.

The bolded bit is particularly bizarre. You're picking two bad results and saying they're the same. Mourinho's Chelsea were cowardly against PSG. They sat back at home against a team that wasn't Barcelona good, and appropriate got taught a lesson. Pep might not have beaten a 10 man Chelsea but did they sit back? Were they catious ? Were they negative? Nope.

It's like you're searching hard for individual games to paint Mourinho as an attack-minded coach in the SAF, Klopp, Guardiola mould, whereas he simply is not.

Yes, Jose is cautious in big games especially away games. But it's no different to what Fergie did in his last 10 years hence why our record in Europe improved.

Mourinho is just cauticous manager in general. It's surprising to see you refuse to admit this. It's apparent to everyone who watches the game. Lampard was on MNF the other day saying fullbacks at Chelsea wouldn't really be bombing forward. United and Arsenal have never had a Makelele to protect Campbell or Ferdinand. I really don't see why the obvious needs to be justified. Mourinho is a conservative manager by default. SAF trawled out the conservative nature once in a while. It wasn't really part of him inherently.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Barca outplayed Chelsea by far, just were very unlucky, whereas PSG outplayed Chelsea with 10 men. You can spot the difference.

It's an example without a point. Completely different type of games. Barca and PSG were the ones who had something common being the teams on the front foot, if anything.

 

[Bojan11]

Have you missed the last 10 years? Compare the Pep and Mourinho's careers so far and compare their behavior.

People get overly defensive of Mourinho. I understand those that take him for the mega-cnut that he is, the dull football his teams play and his couldn't give a rats ass about youth attitude, but like him for his character, winning mentality and trophies. But I don't understand those that defend his weaknesses till no end. They're there for everyone to see. You can like/rate him inspite of that.

They are generic faults, which you can throw at Ancelotti too.

How many youth players did Ancelotti bring through at Milan, Juve, Chelsea, PSG or Real Madrid? He's managed some of the biggest clubs in the world and I can't recall many young players he's brought through honestly.

Real Madrid and Chelsea are not the type of clubs you can start bringing young players through. You need tried and tested. No experiments because you could end up getting sacked by Perez or Roman, if results don't go your way.

You just admitted enjoying watching Real Madrid under Mourinho. I remember some people on here were saying they enjoyed watching Real Madrid than Peps Barca at the time. So it shows with the right flair players he can get his team to play well. Just like Chelsea were for the first six months of last season. Sadly for Jose, Fabregas decided to go on his annual Jan-May break which has been extended this year and took Costa with him.

 

[K2K]

Mourinho works best for a squad such as ours. Inexperienced, with very few winners or havent won in a long time.He can build the confidence of those kind of players to ridiculously high levels too.It's the clubs packed with serial winners and huge egos when things go very wrong, as he has an ego too. We've let go of those kind of players.

I think this is his Sir Alex 2005 moment,especially on the back of a not very great Madrid stint by his standards. I think for the first time, self doubt will creep in. How he responds to this setback will determine the rest of his career imo. He needs to adapt too though, he cant keep picking up useless fights and needs to focus on management and tactics. He's proven in the past that he can match it up tactically with the very best.

As for United, I can see him getting the job. He's a great friend of Sir Alex, and is a Galatico enough name for Woody.

I do not particularly want him though. He's a great manager, but the extra baggage he brings is a tad too much. He needs to cut down on that, a lot.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

They are generic faults, which you can throw at Ancelotti too.

How many youth players did Ancelotti bring through at Milan, Juve, Chelsea, PSG or Real Madrid? He's managed some of the biggest clubs in the world and I can't recall many young players he's brought through honestly.

Real Madrid and Chelsea are not the type of clubs you can start bringing young players through. You need tried and tested. No experiments because you could end up getting sacked by Perez or Roman, if results don't go your way.

You just admitted enjoying watching Real Madrid under Mourinho. I remember some people on here were saying they enjoyed watching Real Madrid than Peps Barca at the time. So it shows with the right flair players he can get his team to play well. Just like Chelsea were for the first six months of last season. Sadly for Jose, Fabregas decided to go on his annual Jan-May break which has been extended this year and took Costa with him.

I did enjoy watching Madrid, but then again I've enjoyed watching Madrid for the last 6 years. Mourinho just didn't have an option at Madrid to do his usual conservative stuff over there.

If Ancelotti has a "no youth" policy then it would weaken his stand for me rather than strengthen Mourinho's.

The Madrid/Chelsea stuff is just you being defensive of Mourinho again. Chelsea fans, his biggest fans, have admitted to him not giving a shit about youth, yet United fans defend him to the brink on the indefensible. He's had excuses made for him on this point for years and years, and this is the season those excuses run out. He's had a bumbling first team unlike his earlier years in management and he still couldn't bring himself to take a chance of youth. Typical Jose.

 

[NJM78]

Nonsense. You're jumping on the "our manager sux lol" bangwagon. Is poking the opposition staff in the eye not "completely cuckoo"? Or blaming your medical staff for treating an injured player? LVG has been saintly at United in comparison. Both he and Moyes at United haven't had an iota of Mourinho's mental-ness.


I don't really want Mourinho at United so for me it's two big managers who are becoming available that I'd like at OT. Pep is the first choice comfortably for me. Ancelotti's a very good choice but I'd also like us to consider all the rest of the managers with potential too if Pep isn't available.

I don't consider it madness to let Mourinho in particular go elsewhere. In fact, I'd prefer it.

No my thoughts on LvG are by all the nonsense he spouts and watching him at our end of season party, plus reading about his many exploits in the past based on player accounts. He could be winning us the league i'd still think he is cuckoo. Mourinho dont get me wrong is a weird one for sure.

I understand your feelings on Jose that's fair enough as we all have our opinions, personally I'd overlook his flaws as he wins wherever he goes and I think he would do so for us also. I would however prefer the other two ahead of him but in a straight fight between Jose, LvG and Giggs I'd take him.

Anyway I doubt it will happen and I do have the feeling Pep will end up staying or going to City. I think we may end up with Giggs.

 

[Bojan11]

United and Arsenal have never had a Makelele to protect Campbell or Ferdinand. I really don't see why the obvious needs to be justified. Mourinho is a conservative manager by default. SAF trawled out the conservative nature once in a while. It wasn't really part of him inherently.

What?

Petit and Gilberto Silva say hello. Where does Coquelin play for Arsenal?

You make it sound like Jose is the only manager in the world who played with a defensive midfielder. Heyneckes played Martinez there. Ancelotti had the cnut Gattuso there at Milan to protect Nesta, Stam and Maldini.


He even played Ramos in midfield against Juventus despite having other midfield options like Irramendi and Casemiro available.

Jose at Real Madrid had Alonso and Khedira as his main midfielders.

What is wrong with playing defensive midfielders? When Fergie bought one, we actually did ok that season.

Regarding the fullbacks in Joses reign they have had really two attacking fullbacks. Ashley Cole who did well for them and Del Horno. At Real Madrid he let Marcelo bomb forward. At Inter he had Maicon and it's hard telling him not to bomb forward. At times in his first spell at Chelsea he had to play Gallas there and Gallas is hardly going to be bombing forward. He addressed that by signing Ashley Cole.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

No my thoughts on LvG are by all the nonsense he spouts and watching him at our end of season party, plus reading about his many exploits in the past based on player accounts. He could be winning us the league i'd still think he is cuckoo. Mourinho dont get me wrong is a weird one for sure.

I'd rather have a manager talk some crap rather than a manager who talks crap and pokes people in the eye and insults his peers regularly. As classless as they come. LVG may have been before but for us he's not lacked class at all.

I understand your feelings on Jose that's fair enough as we all have our opinions, personally I'd overlook his flaws as he wins wherever he goes and I think he would do so for us also. I would however prefer the other two ahead of him but in a straight fight between Jose, LvG and Giggs I'd take him.

Fair enough. I don't mind people wanting Mourinho as our next manager. He has a great track record. But for me personally, I just don't want his sort of manager at United. He stands for too many things I don't want at this club.

Anyway I doubt it will happen and I do have the feeling Pep will end up staying or going to City. I think we may end up with Giggs.

My biggest fear.

 

[Cal?]

They can come together.

Let's worry about trophies before style.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

What?

Petit and Gilberto Silva say hello. Where does Coquelin play for Arsenal?

You make it sound like Jose is the only manager in the world who played with a defensive midfielder. Heyneckes played Martinez there. Ancelotti had the cnut Gattuso there at Milan to protect Nesta, Stam and Maldini.


He even played Ramos in midfield against Juventus despite having other midfield options like Irramendi and Casemiro available.

Jose at Real Madrid had Alonso and Khedira as his main midfielders.

What is wrong with playing defensive midfielders? When Fergie bought one, we actually did ok that season.

Regarding the fullbacks in Joses reign they have had really two attacking fullbacks. Ashley Cole who did well for them and Del Horno. At Real Madrid he let Marcelo bomb forward. At Inter he had Maicon and it's hard telling him not to bomb forward. At times in his first spell at Chelsea he had to play Gallas there and Gallas is hardly going to be bombing forward. He addressed that by signing Ashley Cole.

Laughable that you think they are the same as Makelele. I don't think you get what Makelele's role at Chelsea was.

Not that I'm per say against having one defensive screener either, nor did I suggest that he's the only manager to play with a defensive midfielder (not sure where you got that from), however, it epitomizes him in comparison to Wenger and Ferguson (or other attack minded managers). It was a point used to highlight the bigger picture, which you seem to be missing.

Are you actually seriously telling me Mourinho is a) as attack minded a manager as SAF and Wenger, and b) as much a believer in youth as them?

If the answer to those is YES, then we need to stop this discussion because I refuse anyone can believe that and take seriously.