The one fear I have is what he thinks/would do about Rooney.
The one fear I have is what he thinks/would do about Rooney.
Think he'd love it at United with the amount of control he'd get. And I have a feeling he'll push himself to be better trying to live up to/beat SAF's legacy. I'm actually excited by all of this.
Its an interesting question given he obviously rated him relatively recently when he went after him but again, I would not imagine Mourinho being as indulgent as other managers have been. He seems like exactly the right manager to resolve that problem, if he wasnt performing Id expect him to be dropped, and if it persisted, sold.
Well mou usually likes one striker to lead the line, which rules out Rooney, and Martial might struggle as well.
Rooney will play behind the striker, but who will the striker be? We need a Drogba. Ibrahimavic would be a quick fix for a season.
I'm vary about Mourinho becoming the Manchester United manager.
me so excited!
Dream job my ***. It's the best of a bad situation he finds himself in.
They got that from this Marca story (this is the English translation version):
http://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2016/02/05/56b48ceb268e3eaf578b459c.html
edit - a couple of online sites (goal.com and I think the Mail) are reporting that he has already been offered a super-high-paid consultancy job with the Chinese League.
Best of a bad situation?
This is United were taking about, the most supported club in the galaxy. .
If he does get it...from getting sacked at Chelsea to the job he always wanted at the biggest club in England. Couldn't have went better for him
To be fair though, apart from De Gea, Smalling and Martial who has been impressive this season? The entire squad have looked dreadful for about 80% of the time.
So you don't think the results would be much different now?
I think they would be, and it probably makes Mourinho sad when he's browsing the Caf and sees these results!
he could come now and try to ensure his proper first season was a champions league season
I would add Smalling and Blind too, although Smalling's form has dropped lately. But I agree, not many players have improved under LvG and it's hard to judge some of them. It could be the style of our the play or maybe they're just not good enough.
I rate Schneiderlin, but he has been poor. That could be for a number of reasons, playing under more pressure, new role, team low on confidence. Same goes for a lot of the players.
That is the point, he chose Oscar over Mata. He doesn't have an Oscar here, so he will either strengthen that 10/RW position or persist with Mata.
Mourinho is no fool he will never go to a gun fight with a knife, rest assured, if he comes here he will buy a No.10, a RW, a CM and a CB, at least.
True. Right now, Mata has to be starting most games, as he's the best option we have. If Mourinho took the job right now, he'd have no option but to play him. But if he's taking over in the summer, then I think he will replace him with a player who does what he wants, which will be a shame.
Seems strange but it is arguably a weakness in my opinion. He is very ruthless when he comes into a new team.. and selects 'his players' who he thinks are going to be his men for the next three years. He shows them incredible loyalty in a way that Pep/SAF wouldn't.
It is the one quality that Pep has which trumps Jose (getting rid of Eto'o... now in hindsight it was a poor decision but it showed that even if a guy had won him a trophy, if he thought it was not going to help the team in the future.. he'd get rid), and the one quality which SAF possessed at his peak which arguably no other manager has managed to replicate hence why he was unique in being able to shred one team up and produce another. He knew exactly when to stop being loyal and get rid.. bring in someone better.
Jose builds a siege mentality and for 3 years, these players are like sons to him, he's their father/older brother/best friend rolled into one and he spoils the players to such a degree.. that he is then unable to see the wood for the trees when the same players backstab him or stop responding to his instructions.
Prime example being someone like John Terry in his first stint, then someone like Ivanovic in the second. He refused to be ruthless with Ivanovic and was weak in dropping players when standards were dropping, Hazard remained in the side for a while.. its only when the shit started hitting the fan, he started dropping players left right and centre but by this stage it had no impact.. the players felt there was nothing worth fighting for as results had gotten so bad and didn't care if they were dropped, they saw it as motivation to call for his head. Early detection of poor form/dropping players early doors would have kept the squad on their toes and wouldn't have led to the deeper malaise which resulted.
It can't have been very motivating to see Ivanovic picked week in week out despite being wretched. It might have led to the other players thinking Mourinho had gone soft or that his judgement was lacking. Then you add in the fight with Eva and it just looked like a guy desperately trying to inject some drama and life back into the team rather than addressing the actual issues within the side and calling the players out on their poor performances. He tried to shortcut his way into getting the team to play well.
Mourinho hasn't demonstrated that he has the stomach to rip apart a side of his own making and rebuild it. Then again, no modern manager has in all fairness and he hasn't managed in environments which could test this ability.. but what I will say is that I think a more hungrier Mourinho with a chip on his shoulder and freedom to manage exactly how he wants.. he'd be less attached to his players as before and be more ruthless and smarter in his dealing with players.
The Rooney saga.. I can imagine him thinking to himself, this is my dream job.. I want to annihilate Pep Guardiola.. is Rooney really going to help me with achieving that objective? hell no and he'd get rid without a moments hesitation. He knows he is in the last chance saloon, it is his big chance to nail his dream job and destroy his biggest rival - I can't imagine him being weak and pandering to club politics etc.
A. He doesn't play good football.
B. He doesn't give youth a chance.
C. He'll likely embarrass himself and the club at some point with his paranoid conspiracy theories, especially when coming up against Pep at City , who he hates.
D. We'll be competitive for a year or two but he will leave behind a mess and self implode at some point.
Its like fecking a whore. You may enjoy it while you are having sex, but more than likely youll regret it later on.
Unfortunately though I dont think we have left ourselves with too many options. Beggers can't be choosy. If a 35 year old virgin had a chance to shag a whore, hed probably take it.
B. He doesn't give youth a chance.
C. He'll likely embarrass himself and the club at some point with his paranoid conspiracy theories, especially when coming up against Pep at City , who he hates.
D. We'll be competitive for a year or two but he will leave behind a mess and self implode at some point.
Its like fecking a whore. You may enjoy it while you are having sex, but more than likely youll regret it later on.
Unfortunately though I dont think we have left ourselves with too many options. Beggers can't be choosy. If a 35 year old virgin had a chance to shag a whore, hed probably take it.
A is a myth, how come Barca, the bestest club side in the world ever ever has never managed to break Mourinho's Real's La Liga scoring record?
B is a valid point, but he's never been at a job where he's supposed to look ahead...
C, well, considering Sir Alex once kicked a boot at the face of the bestest looking guy in the world. I wouldn't worry...
If we do sign him, hopefully it'll be in both our interests for it to be a long term appointment. At least that way he'll be weary of messing us up in the long run.
Can't imagine he'll ever fully settle down anywhere though.
Can't imagine he'll ever fully settle down anywhere though.
I think your A & B points are actually intertwined. He played attacking football at Real because that is what was expected of him. He should do the same at United.
Exactly, some people make it sound like that Jose favours defensive football above all else, the fact is he favours winning football, and more often than not, gets his way.
The truth is that he's good enough to set up a side so that they can play attacking football, or defensive football but people prefer to slam him by mentioning over and over that hes a defensive minded manager.
This he doesn't play good football nonsense again.
Do people actually watch his teams play? They outscored Peps super Barca team. They didn't do that by winning 1-0 every game.
Do people actually watch his teams play? They outscored Peps super Barca team. They didn't do that by winning 1-0 every game.
If he does come, this will be the 3rd out of 4 summers that we've had to start with a new manager with an uncertain number of transfer targets in a short space of time. It'll be even more pressurised due to the Euros, so might even resemble the shambolic summer LvG joined up late after the World Cup.
We should've just taken him on in Decemeber, given him 5 months to check out the squad and draw up some targets.
We should've just taken him on in Decemeber, given him 5 months to check out the squad and draw up some targets.
Yes, it seems the confirmation of Pep to City has dispelled all romantic notions of the anointed one.
They had Ronaldo in his prime. The fact is, although I think he is capable of attacking Football, his Football is very conservative at times and sometimes just plain defensive. He has set up in away games before with no strikers and clearly aiming for a draw. Can be no worse Football than we have seen under VG though and if it is winning Football I doubt anyone will care.
Oh oh with this new rumor looks like people have got their Jose hard on going already.
Didn't Luckhurst dismiss it previously? I think this is on. Even we can't balls this up, surely?
Yup, he said it was rubbish about a day ago. This is getting interesting...
Luckily we will always have someone like you who will offer some balance and much needed down to earth sanity to the discussion with moyes/giggs+neville hard ons.
Or someone like you with your retarded Caps Lock tap of rage.
This.
Mourinho playing boring football is a myth. His Real team scored over 100 league goals in each season he was there. Thats an average of about 3 goals per game!
His 2004/05 Chelsea teams with Robben/Duff/J.Cole and obviously Lampard were exciting too
It's amazing how that bit a few pages ago about SAF sounding him out but Maureen choosing Chelsea got glossed over isn't it?
If Jose arrives, I'm going to start the "Mourinho OUT!" thread immediately ... why wait when it's coming at some point anyway?
Not surprising when it's likely not true. Been reported countless times that Bobby Charlton didn't want him and they went for Moyes over him
They've both got as much evidence behind them as this being Maureen's dream job. For some reason that one has suddenly become borderline gospel.