It's better to have a clean start. New season, chance to have your own say in the transfer window, every team on 0 points - I would imagine every new manager would prefer that, rather than have to start with a struggle at the wrong end of the season.
exactly
So Jose himself might have said he wants to come but not until next season?
I can see that makes sense on some level but I cant say I would be that happy with it - and the sense has been that Giggs isnt available in this capacity anyway.
The fact is, if he takes the job, it IS his mess to clean up, that is the job. He should want to bloody well get stuck in putting things right, I thought his dossier was all about how he had identified some of the problems we have etc. If he took over now, or next week or whatever, he would have a chance to work with the players and be in a better position at the start of next season.
I can see why Van Gaal should stay until the summer, even if he is going to leave then. I support that. But if things get worse and Van Gaal goes, Mourinho should start straight away IMO.
This seems inevitable now, doesn't it? Is that just me?
If we get him I hope he stays for a long time...can you just imagine how feisty the Manc derby would get!?
Im sure they would, but if things got to the point where we needed him he should come in and help us out, whether its what he would prefer or not.
Anyway Im not going to get bogged down in that, it just seems strange to me that if Van Gaal does end up leaving we could have an interim while our next manager is sitting about twiddling his thumbs.
Definitely get the feeling that Neville failing as badly as he has would have made our board think twice about it.
See @Nuts we should be thanking Neville, not criticising him.
Woodward is too far gone in the commercial direction to think that he will ever acquire the needed skillset to succeed in the role as it is, being the CEO of the club. He has to bring in a DOF to save his hide because, frankly speaking, we have been a shambles on the market and haven't had value for money in any of our recent deals. That would be fine if the results were good but as it is I don't think we can remain as the biggest spenders in fees and wages yet constantly finish as the fourth/fifth best team on the land for long without a change being made. The most important signing he can make right now is a DOF who will help cover his apparent weaknesses. And it should not be done on a "jobs for the boys" basis either, get the best that is doing it right now- poach Sammer from Bayern!
Mourinho cant fix alot of the BIG issues because he has no transfer window to do so and that is what is required, He would never agree to sign up this season due to his own problems at Chelsea and our problems, Mourinho will need the summer window if he wants a good start to life at United, starting before hand could just be negative and suicide on his behalf.
So it looks pretty certain that Mourinho will be in charge at United next season. I've already accepted as a reality, and I'm already anticipating how he'll be looking to alter the squad.
I think that players like Fellaini and Schneiderlin are in a vulnerable state. Mourinho likes his teams to be very strong in midfield. He usually likes to play with one striker, and dominate in the center.
Can't see that changing, but schneiderlin and Fellaini don't offer a lot really.
I think that players like Fellaini and Schneiderlin are in a vulnerable state. Mourinho likes his teams to be very strong in midfield. He usually likes to play with one striker, and dominate in the center.
Can't see that changing, but schneiderlin and Fellaini don't offer a lot really.
A young manager like Pochettino should be given a chance with a United squad that is at the top. He can come in, make a couple of additions and bring in new ideas to a winning team.
For a team that is in a sorry state like ours, we need a proven winner like Mourinho. It doesn't matter if he stays 3 years or 10 years. 3 years is a long time in football, long enough for him to build a quality side, win a trophy or two and reestablish us a top-tier European club. Once that is done, we can give Giggs or Pochettino or whoever the job knowing that the structure, winning mentality and playing squad are in place.
For a team that is in a sorry state like ours, we need a proven winner like Mourinho. It doesn't matter if he stays 3 years or 10 years. 3 years is a long time in football, long enough for him to build a quality side, win a trophy or two and reestablish us a top-tier European club. Once that is done, we can give Giggs or Pochettino or whoever the job knowing that the structure, winning mentality and playing squad are in place.
Schneiderlin is his Matic very similar players cant see that being a problem
There's usually a strong defensive midfielder in Mourinho's sides, such as such as Khedira, Makalele or Matic. There's no one better than Schneiderlin in the Premier League for that role.
I think Schneiderlin is a typical Mourinho player - he can run all night long and isn't averse to the dark arts that Jose employs regularly.
Haven't been overly impressed with Schneiderlin, but it is his first season. We'll see.
He should, but the state we are in it is a risk too far. Jose could get us winning again and Pochettino needs to prove that this season at Spurs isn't just a one off. Remember 'arry got them into the CL.
Mourinho would love him I'd imagine.
See to subscribe to that view you have to believe that our squad is weak. But I dont believe that, I believe we have better players than our results and performances have shown. So I believe a good manager should be able to improve both even before they have signed new players.
Though of course a new manager will want to bring in new players as well to fit into their own system and how they want us to play.
Point taken about how a few negative results at the tail end of this season might get his career here off to a bad start. Anyway, hopefully Van Gaal can muddle through until the end of the season.
With everything that all of you are saying, it makes more sense that Woodward hasnt fired Van Gaal I guess, doesnt it. I mean, people were saying how inept he was, how can we not act, what is wrong with him, yadda yadda yadda. Funnily enough I answered a few posts last week to that effect, saying maybe he was lining someone up who wasnt available until next season, and people shouldnt assume that just because they havent heard anything that it means nothing is happening. But when I said that I imagined it would be because the person we wanted already had a job, not because they refused to start until they have had a chance to sign a load more players.
Don't think Fellaini is and depends what he wants to do with Mata, again.
We probably need someone with a stronger knowledge of the English game. But then again, with the TV money, I expect most of our recruitment to be done outside England as most PL teams will be able to ask for ridiculous prices for their players from now on.
That's what always gets me about the DoF debate. Its hard enough finding a good manager, but here we are saying we need to find two high quality people, not just one. A chain is only a strong as its weakest link, so it is just another opportunity to make a bad appointment.
I must say I can see the argument for a DoF but the ideal scenario has to be to have a manager with the personality to take responsibility for it all himself. Delegate in order to manage his workload, but have ultimate control.
I must say I can see the argument for a DoF but the ideal scenario has to be to have a manager with the personality to take responsibility for it all himself. Delegate in order to manage his workload, but have ultimate control.
Irish Radio just mentioned something about Jose joining us in July, my wife caught the end of the news in the car and rang me to tell me. But I cant find anything at all. Asked her was she sure and she said its what they said!
The problem with hiring Jose now is that he gets put into a position where he starts building an attachment to all the players and puts him in a weaker position to get rid of players who are not good enough.
Coming in the summer, he can be much more objective and make decisions with a clear head, no emotional attachments to any players and pick a new captain for example without having to worry about media pressure. A poor Euro's for someone like Rooney for example and it is much easier for Jose to sideline him than coming into the side at the moment and facing the national press backlash if he was to drop him. All sorts of political struggles can be avoided if he comes in the summer.
The flipside is this whole Top 4 thing. I think everyone wants us to get top 4 under LVG and a clean slate for Jose next season, whereas if LVG completely flops... we have no choice but to get rid and possibly install Giggs or bring Jose in earlier than he wants. I think this is the reason why the club has been dithering so much.
Coming in the summer, he can be much more objective and make decisions with a clear head, no emotional attachments to any players and pick a new captain for example without having to worry about media pressure. A poor Euro's for someone like Rooney for example and it is much easier for Jose to sideline him than coming into the side at the moment and facing the national press backlash if he was to drop him. All sorts of political struggles can be avoided if he comes in the summer.
The flipside is this whole Top 4 thing. I think everyone wants us to get top 4 under LVG and a clean slate for Jose next season, whereas if LVG completely flops... we have no choice but to get rid and possibly install Giggs or bring Jose in earlier than he wants. I think this is the reason why the club has been dithering so much.
Think he'll get a good price for Mata like he did Luiz.
The Mail are saying he will take over in July.
They reckon he was sounded out by Ferguson in 2013 but he chose Chelsea and we ended up with...well, you know the rest.
They reckon he was sounded out by Ferguson in 2013 but he chose Chelsea and we ended up with...well, you know the rest.
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Poor Mata is all I can say.
Mourinho may realise he made a mistake, having worked with Oscar for the past few years.
Barca are rumored to be interested.
Juan won't last under Mourinho because Mata is a Rafa Benitez loyalist.
Who knows. Lets get him in first and then worry about platers.
Mata hasn't been that good anyway, if Mourinho thinks there's someone else out there that's better fitted for us then that's fine by me.
Not all that excited about the prospect honestly.
Mourinho must be so excited. His dream job haha.
When United score a last minute winner against pool or city, and he takes off up the touch line, im gonna piss myself laughing. I bet SAF will too.
Then there's the press conferences when we play Arsenal
When United score a last minute winner against pool or city, and he takes off up the touch line, im gonna piss myself laughing. I bet SAF will too.
Then there's the press conferences when we play Arsenal
I havent wanted Mourinho all along, but I'm up for making the most of it. He's comming and I've decided to enjoy the ride regardless.
It really is his dream job, and would be the biggest challenge of his career. He's probably foaming at the mouth ready to take his chance.Mourinho must be so excited. His dream job haha.
When United score a last minute winner against pool or city, and he takes off up the touch line, im gonna piss myself laughing. I bet SAF will too.
Then there's the press conferences when we play Arsenal
His ego and ambition + our current state is the perfect storm. Should be exceedingly entertaining, especially those Arsenal press conferences.
Do you really see that as a risk? Sentimental attachment to players does not seem like an obvious concern with Mourinho.
I'm intrigued to see what the Chelsea press conference would be like tbh