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Pogba
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he’s in a tough spot now if Madrid can’t be arsed with him either. Surely PSG will be in for him?Agree with all that, except he's never been our best player.
Fans are pissed off because Pogba and his agent have been constantly slagging off the club at every opportunity for the last 3 years whilst picking up his massive paycheck and running down his contract. The lack of respect from Pogba and his agent towards the club has been disgraceful and the club really should have booted him out 2/3 years ago.
I honestly can't think of a more toxic, disruptive player/agent duo than Pogba and Raiola. The worst this club has ever had to deal with. Can't wait to see the back of them.
The only thing that's toxic waste in this scenario is gutter press tabloids Shameless. It's not even remotely shocking that they changed 'this season is dead' to 'United are dead to me'.
I have never been impressed by Pogba, he has all the skill in the world but no heart, no spirit and no application.
I wont miss anything about him.Apart from the numerous haircuts....
That was a delight.
Never knowing what new and crazy style he's going to bring to the pitch...
Man i'm gonna miss that.
everything he said was right. also, best midfielder at the club. it is what it is.
Best midfielders aren’t gassed after 50mins.
what has he said there that's wrong? you're on a forum trying to get people to boo a player because he said he wants to win and United has failed to do so.
Facts
Ageeed but there seems to be this certainty we sign a more consistent midfielder when I genuinely think if you pick him out & add ‘Player X’ they’d have been meh in the past 5 years under these set ups.
The move in isolation is talent suicide when we’ll be seeing McFred together again for the foreseeable.
yet he's still the best midfielder at United.
Covid-19 + lack of match fitness can do that...look no further than Kevin De Bruyne's comments about how much he struggled months and months after contracting it
He's equally to blame for the failure. Has he been consistently good??
He's literally the main signing of this "project" which started years back. Tremendous lack of self awareness by Pogba to act as if he is just a victim/bystander of this club's performances.
He's every bit as disappointing as the others, if not more because of his off the field drama.
But hey, lets blame it all on teammates and previous managers. How convenient!
Every player says "I want to win". Actions speak louder than words.
Sorry but that’s just wrong, most naturally talented sure, but as he can only play at full pelt for about 30mins he’s no good to us. The guy just strolls around for most the game, dawdles on then ball far too much and picks out a top class pass very rarely now a days.
Can’t see any of that reversing either, will only get worse.
Can’t see any of that reversing either, will only get worse.
He strolled around loads before COVID, he hasn’t applied himself fully for years.
You say this with a straight face yet oddly enough he was second only to Fred on this team in pressing numbers this season before going down with injury in December
I’d watched him press, it ain’t much. I’ve nothing against him I just don’t think he’s effective enough in our team to bother keeping.
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Nothing like adding facts to a nonsense argumentYou say this with a straight face yet oddly enough he was second only to Fred on this team in pressing numbers this season before going down with injury in December
He's our most talented midfielder. However, the fact that 3 managers still couldn't/can't find his best position suggests to me that there are more reliable players in our squad.
This is the kind of blind support that seems exclusive to Pogba.
Would you also be ok with Maguire moaning on club unable to buy proper midfielders or DDG moaning about the defensive 4 in front of him or Ronalod moaning about how Ole and Ralf are not quality enough coaches.
There will be riots if every player starts talking whatever is there in their minds.
Such as who? McTominay was playing CB under Jose. Bruno wasn’t here. Rashford? Martial? Name me a player that’s delivered under the last 3 managers - all of whom were unfit for the role themselves. Luke Shaw? Only plays one position & doubts raised by 2 of 3 managers. Criticising Pogba is fair & warranted but making stuff up is unnecessary. None of our squad is particularly reliable.
When has Pogba done the equivalent of the above.
This is the kind of outright exaggeration & fabrication blind seems exclusive to Pogba.
No one has delivered consistently, never said they have. All I am saying is that there have been better midfield combinations that have suited the balance of the squad under the last three managers.
Rangnick prefers Fred and Mctominay with Bruno infront.
Ole preferred Fred and Mctominay with Bruno infront.
Mourinho, to be fair, tried to get the best out of Pogba. He signed Matic and later Fred so Pogba could play further forward. He was constantly experimenting with different combinations involving Herrera, Matic, Fellaini, Pogba to get the best out of Pogba. However he couldn't. I remember loads of times under Mourinho where we ended up throwing Fellaini on and going long to salvage a game. I didn't like that style of football but it was very effective in the 16/17 season when we won the league Cup and Europa League.
Pogba has still not established a position in the team despite being here for 5 years. That I'm not making up. What's Pogba's best position?
Wrong, the hate stemmed from the fact he spent so much time showboating in games, making costly mistakes and not attempting to even atone for it.
Ridiculous penalty misses, ridiculous hair styles and a downright lazy work attitude. Strolling around like having no care in the world.
Can't say I'll miss him at all. Shame as there's a top draw player in there but he has the wrong mentality.
He is talking as if United have let him down and like he somehow deserves better. Like he, as a mega signing and one of our best paid players, has had no hand or responsibility in our capitulation. As if it is a fact that he plays well with France because France play him in a position that suits him. It is arrogant and ignorant in equal measure.
International football suits his pedestrian nature and the time he gets on the ball suits him. He has neither the engine nor the urgency to succeed in the PL and does not work hard enough for either of the top two teams to want him.
He has wasted his own career with Utd...his inability to adapt and to rise consistently to the challenge. He is not the reason for Utds drop in standards but this so called leader has done nothing to prevent it.
His statement is wrong because he does not accept his own shortcomings. Now if he says something along the lines of “I am not satisfied with not winning trophies, my injuries have meant I can’t help my team, I have been unable to find a place in the team where I can give my best” then that would be a more accurate representation of what has been happening. Instead he strolls around after 50 minutes, not tracking runs, giving away the ball cheaply, fouling and diving in...and then wonders why we haven’t achieved more.
Fuk off Paul.
Maybe on Football Manager.
In reality, he is way down in best midfielder list. We could even argue that we got more from Matic this year than Pogba. McTominay, Fred, Fernandes who are playing in pretty much same positions have all been better and more useful. It is shame. Because he did have talent when he was young. Reminds me little bit of Mario Balotelli and his career without changing clubs as much as he did.
Both these things are kinda true and speak about the general quality of the team
I for one, will be very happy to see him go. The occasional great game cannot cover up his deficiencies, bad attitude, lack of effort and 5 years of being average. He isn't worth the money or hassle, would rather we play a youngster than him.
He's honestly a clown. When he talks about football and his role its obvious he has no clue about the game and understand why he plays the way he does.
He speaks on if he really has a role at United. He's been here 5.5 years and the only person to blame is himself but Paul doesn't have the self-awareness or smarts to figure that out.
I shouldn't be surprised, this is the same person that said Kante isn't judged on goals and assists and people praise him but in his case they judge his g+a to say he hasn't performed well.
He speaks on if he really has a role at United. He's been here 5.5 years and the only person to blame is himself but Paul doesn't have the self-awareness or smarts to figure that out.
I shouldn't be surprised, this is the same person that said Kante isn't judged on goals and assists and people praise him but in his case they judge his g+a to say he hasn't performed well.
We made a big mistake not selling him a few years back - he has continually flattered to deceive…just not cut out for the premier league….he will go back to a lesser league, look great, blow smoke out of his own arse and bitch. Sound like Lukaku? Yes.
Pogba is a tidy player at the right level and environment but the EPL finds him out big time. Big time Charlie set for big time PSG. Shame but another marriage thats ended in tears.
Pogba is a tidy player at the right level and environment but the EPL finds him out big time. Big time Charlie set for big time PSG. Shame but another marriage thats ended in tears.
Not in the slightest bit concerned we’re losing Pogba. He’s made of biscuit and seems to spend at least 3 months of every season injured
No it hasn't. It's come about because he's been putting himself in the shop window at least 3 times that we know of since he's been here. It's come about when his fat cnut of an agenda attacks the club whenever he feels like it with Pogbas blessing. It's come about with his brother all over Spanish TV stirring the shit about how Pogba would be a great fit for Madrid.
If a player gives 100% then the fans can forgive many things. Pogba has never once been committed to United 100%. There's always been some sort of background noise from him which is why the fans turn on him. It shouldn't be too hard to understand but people still want to give him the benefit of the doubt which I find hard to understand. Each to their own I suppose.
so Pogba is equally to blame for not being able to carry 10 other players, multiple bummy managerial appointments and a comical overall structure at the club?
I'm yet to witness any off-field drama with Pogba. Happily married family oriented guy, always has a smile on his face, professional loved by both team-mates and opposition players who often sing his praises and leadership qualities, in fact, out of the people that have worked with Pogba in football, only Mourinho has spoken ill of him. United fans are just hyper sensitive because the club fell off, and misdirect their anger towards players for keeping and/or evaluating other options, as any professional should.
United has been a graveyard for good players for a while. Pogba has topped our attacking stats multiple times, playing from midfield. Every day on this forum people complain about the gaping hole in our midfield that goes back all the way to Ferguson - every day the recruitment strategy and the fact United hasn't addressed key areas - going on a decade plus - is brought up here, but now we want to act as if players struggling in a system and structure like this is a shocking thing.
blind support because I happen to agree?
And of course I wouldn't be OK with Maguire moaning, he's shit. and yeah, if DDG moaned about the defensive 4 I would be OK with it and I'd be in said thread doing the same I'm doing here. Good players get more leeway and benefit of the doubt than bad players - shocker.
Pogba has had a more successful career than 99% of football professionals will ever dream to achieve. He's also a Carrington graduate, a set-up that until very recently - and might still do - had produced more premier league players than any other premier league club, but sure, he has no clue about the game.
The reason for that is his talent. He's more talented than 99% of football professionals. His natural ability and physical gifts are at such a high level that it makes up for what he lacks in his understanding of the game.
I'm going off a decade of watching him but also hearing him in interviews when he speaks about football. I mean there's no reason why a player of his talent has been benched by Jose, Ole and now Ralf in huge games other than his application which is linked to his game intelligence.
Again all of this is relative. I'm comparing him to other pros rather than randoms off the street.
"I want to win trophies"....can anyone think of maybe more than 1-2 games per season where pogba dominated? 3 assists against leeds? Couple of worldie goals? He wants to win stuff by only contributing a highlight reel of moments and then the rest of the team does the hard yards. No one could ever argue that pogba would be worthy of MUFC or PL player of the season since his return. He's never taken a season/squad on his shoulders and led.
Pogba is a fantastic player on his day, to say otherwise is just stupid. However, he's one of many symbols of what is wrong in our club. He's going to walk on two free transfers after we spaffed money up a wall and he gets to take his highlight reel to another club and then say it's everyone else's fault.
I hate this entire squad. i wish we could just play the u/23's and hope to finish top 10. Stephen Howson made the obvious point about this squad and club, we have spent around the same money as City, a lot of that money is no longer at the club. City is spending wisely and keeping their best players. We are throwing transfer money at Lukaku, Pogba, Maguire, Fellaini, Di Maria. The vast majority of those hundreds of millions are no longer at the club and does any fan right now want to keep Maguire? So we sell him and thats another 80 million down the flapping drain. City invest, their players do a job and then either get moved on for a good price or stay in the squad rotation.
The squad and the club are just useless, hate-inspiring losers and until that is fundamentally changed why the flap am I going to care about Pogba leaving? Why am I going to watch them at midnight (Aussie time)? Why should I care?
Pogba is a fantastic player on his day, to say otherwise is just stupid. However, he's one of many symbols of what is wrong in our club. He's going to walk on two free transfers after we spaffed money up a wall and he gets to take his highlight reel to another club and then say it's everyone else's fault.
I hate this entire squad. i wish we could just play the u/23's and hope to finish top 10. Stephen Howson made the obvious point about this squad and club, we have spent around the same money as City, a lot of that money is no longer at the club. City is spending wisely and keeping their best players. We are throwing transfer money at Lukaku, Pogba, Maguire, Fellaini, Di Maria. The vast majority of those hundreds of millions are no longer at the club and does any fan right now want to keep Maguire? So we sell him and thats another 80 million down the flapping drain. City invest, their players do a job and then either get moved on for a good price or stay in the squad rotation.
The squad and the club are just useless, hate-inspiring losers and until that is fundamentally changed why the flap am I going to care about Pogba leaving? Why am I going to watch them at midnight (Aussie time)? Why should I care?
Fergie saw through him and the way he left us for Juve proved that he lacks an elite mentality. His lack of defensive discipline and awareness is exacerbated by our lack of a world class DM. Blame can't be pinned only on him.
There is a lack of self awareness in these comments. It is hard for me to sympathize with Pogba, when he doesn't hold himself accountable for his performances. The reason he has been moved around is because of his own inability to perform consistently well at any position.
At the end of the day, and this I am pretty sure of, no manager is instructing him to dwell on the ball invite pressure, then proceed to lose possession while trying a fancy dribble. And this is a consistent theme with him. He's a player who can produce moments of individual brilliance, but these moments are few and far between and certainly don't justify his price tag nor his wages. I get the sense that he over estimates his own ability but under delivers.
I would rather prefer a player who can perform at a consistent level and keep things simple and move the ball quickly. I keep seeing comments about how he's seen as a leader, I don't see it either, Bruno joined us just 2 summers ago and has completely outshined him. Its time to move on from Pogba.
If he's been here and done this 3 times, out of 5 years (10 transfer windows), doesn't that suggest, to the best of our knowledge that he's been committed far more than not?
It's not Pogba's fault, we've not been able to get a DM to unlock him, it's the club's fault for not being able to get proper coaches and managers to get the best out of him. we've also never played a 433 with two players to compliment him. It's always someone else's fault, it's always hate, or prejudice, or his social media presence, or his haircut or even racism when someone is criticizing Pogba, but it's never his fault for not being arsed in the majority of the games he plays, for not being able to put a lid on his agent.