Pogba

[NicolaSacco]

There is a lack of self awareness in these comments. It is hard for me to sympathize with Pogba, when he doesn't hold himself accountable for his performances. The reason he has been moved around is because of his own inability to perform consistently well at any position.

At the end of the day, and this I am pretty sure of, no manager is instructing him to dwell on the ball invite pressure, then proceed to lose possession while trying a fancy dribble. And this is a consistent theme with him. He's a player who can produce moments of individual brilliance, but these moments are few and far between and certainly don't justify his price tag nor his wages. I get the sense that he over estimates his own ability but under delivers.

I would rather prefer a player who can perform at a consistent level and keep things simple and move the ball quickly. I keep seeing comments about how he's seen as a leader, I don't see it either, Bruno joined us just 2 summers ago and has completely outshined him. Its time to move on from Pogba.

There’s an argument that there is a similar lack of situational awareness from Utd fans. Just look at the sheer amount of very talented, very expensive, proven elsewhere players who have not progressed (or have even declined) at Utd. It seems to me that in almost all of these cases Utd fans respond by getting more and more critical, more and more resentful of the individual player, without seeming to recognise that there are underlying factors here that may not be the players’ faults. The common factor in all these failures to achieve what was expected is Utd and Utd fans.

I’m not saying this to support Pogba specifically but just pointing out that, off the top of my head Martial, Rashford, Sanchez, Falcao, Di Maria, Cavani, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Januzaj, Van de Beek, Maguire, Bailly, Darmian, Wan Bissaka, (and to a lesser extent Shaw, Fred, Ronaldo, Rashford in some peoples eyes) have all had some degree of failure. That is some serious talent not living up to its name. Either there is something specifically and individually wrong with all of those players, or there is something much deeper that is wrong at the club they play for. Attacking Pogba is the easy option, but that doesn’t mean it’s the correct one.

 

[DRJosh]

The truth is somewhere in between.

I think Pogba was never full committed to the United cause but given our sustained failures as a club, both at an organisational and footballing level, that is understandable. We’re a badly run club.

He has severely underperformed as part of an underperforming team. You could also argue that apart from a couple of players, the entire team aren’t committed to pushing themselves as required by elite sports.

 

[Flexdegea]

what has he said there that's wrong? you're on a forum trying to get people to boo a player because he said he wants to win and United has failed to do so.



Facts

No problem with him saying he wants to win, but when trying to stick that blame at other causes and not at his own doorstep first and looking at himself over the last 5 years, then you surely can see why most people will have a problem with it?

 

[McGrathsipan]

While I agree with this and I’m all for getting rid of him I feel if we are to get rid of CM’s he should not be the first. Matic legs are gone Mctominay is not good enough, Fred is inconsistent.

Our CM is a joke and only Fred has been improving under Ralf and definitely is good enough to stay but we really lack in MF

He needs to go.

It's not Pogba's fault, we've not been able to get a DM to unlock him, it's the club's fault for not being able to get proper coaches and managers to get the best out of him. we've also never played a 433 with two players to compliment him. It's always someone else's fault, it's always hate, or prejudice, or his social media presence, or his haircut or even racism when someone is criticizing Pogba, but it's never his fault for not being arsed in the majority of the games he plays, for not being able to put a lid on his agent.

Roy Keane would have killed Pogba

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Can we not just get rid of him, SAF had the right idea.
He show only fleeting glimpse of what he can do , the rest of the time he is injured or does not care, dont agree with the post that says its not his fault,
I did not want him here when we spend £90m on him, personally I think he is lazy and 99% of the time look uninterested.

 

[Mickson]

Can we not just get rid of him, SAF had the right idea.
He show only fleeting glimpse of what he can do , the rest of the time he is injured or does not care, dont agree with the post that says its not his fault,
I did not want him here when we spend £90m on him, personally I think he is lazy and 99% of the time look uninterested.

The same SAF who did everything to try to keep Pogba at the club, including giving him a much-improved offer?

 

[FrankDrebin]

They guy looks gassed out past the 60 minute mark and with his age, injury issues and his inconsistent form, he's hardly going to be missed.

 

[ManchesterManchester]

I honestly can't think of a more toxic, disruptive player/agent duo than Pogba and Raiola. The worst this club has ever had to deal with. Can't wait to see the back of them.

If a player gives 100% then the fans can forgive many things. Pogba has never once been committed to United 100%. There's always been some sort of background noise from him which is why the fans turn on him. It shouldn't be too hard to understand but people still want to give him the benefit of the doubt which I find hard to understand. Each to their own I suppose.

Fair enough, i do agree with you guys, I obviously dislike him for that too. However, I think all that agent crap and flirting with other clubs crap only started after the media had turned on him. People like Souness really went way too far singling him out for Utds poor team performances IMO.

It’s no excuse though, he should have been sent packing ages ago. So I am sure you will both agree that our board is to blame really for allowing him to disrespect the club. When the they sided with Pogba over Mourinho, we lost ourselves as a football club. They wanted the $$$ of Pogba marketing and didn’t want to loose him for cut price. They sold our principles out for money. This summer will feel like a long overdue reset.

Wrong, the hate stemmed from the fact he spent so much time showboating in games, making costly mistakes and not attempting to even atone for it.

Ridiculous penalty misses, ridiculous hair styles and a downright lazy work attitude. Strolling around like having no care in the world.

Can't say I'll miss him at all. Shame as there's a top draw player in there but he has the wrong mentality.

I feel as though Pogba always wanted to be loved by the Utd fans but for some reason we never took to him. I think most fans just never forgot he left us for free and held a grudge despite the fact it was the correct decision from him.

I agree with your assessment, he’s a fair weather player, if everything is going great then he will be amazing but if something goes slightly wrong, he gives up. I don’t blame him for the lazy attitude as all of our players have shown that. The club rewards failure and has set low standards. Like you, I’m looking forward to Pogba and lots of other players leaving this summer and hopefully the club can have a fresh start with a new mentality.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

His physical decline has been stark this season.

I don't think he'll be missed and if Ten Hag is hired, he doesn't really suit a pressing game.

 

[FrankDrebin]

His physical decline has been stark this season.

I don't think he'll be missed and if Ten Hag is hired, he doesn't really suit a pressing game.

Yep, it really is this obvious.

 

[newgiz]

There’s an argument that there is a similar lack of situational awareness from Utd fans. Just look at the sheer amount of very talented, very expensive, proven elsewhere players who have not progressed (or have even declined) at Utd. It seems to me that in almost all of these cases Utd fans respond by getting more and more critical, more and more resentful of the individual player, without seeming to recognise that there are underlying factors here that may not be the players’ faults. The common factor in all these failures to achieve what was expected is Utd and Utd fans.

I’m not saying this to support Pogba specifically but just pointing out that, off the top of my head Martial, Rashford, Sanchez, Falcao, Di Maria, Cavani, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Januzaj, Van de Beek, Maguire, Bailly, Darmian, Wan Bissaka, (and to a lesser extent Shaw, Fred, Ronaldo, Rashford in some peoples eyes) have all had some degree of failure. That is some serious talent not living up to its name. Either there is something specifically and individually wrong with all of those players, or there is something much deeper that is wrong at the club they play for. Attacking Pogba is the easy option, but that doesn’t mean it’s the correct one.

Each specific case has to be looked at individually. Just to be clear, what Pogba does off the field is none of my concern, nor do I care. I am surprised at your perception of my post as an attack. I would rather term it as criticism. We have to judge him by the performances on the pitch and they have been underwhelming to say the least. As I pointed out, the reason he has been played at multiple positions, is because he hasn't been able to establish himself at any one particular positon and peform consitently well.

Every name that you have mentioned there is a reason that can be made on their failures. The club is responsible for a scattered recruitment strategy and there is no excuse for that. But it cannot be the club's responsibility alone. Its not a club or manager who is making him try to dribble himself out of possession while under pressure.

 

[NicolaSacco]

Each specific case has to be looked at individually. Just to be clear, what Pogba does off the field is none of my concern, nor do I care. I am surprised at your perception of my post as an attack. I would rather term it as criticism. We have to judge him by the performances on the pitch and they have been underwhelming to say the least. As I pointed out, the reason he has been played at multiple positions, is because he hasn't been able to establish himself at any one particular positon and peform consitently well.

Every name that you have mentioned there is a reason that can be made on their failures. The club is responsible for a scattered recruitment strategy and there is no excuse for that. But it cannot be the club's responsibility alone. Its not a club or manager who is making him try to dribble himself out of possession while under pressure.

Fair pint, I did realise after I posted that message that I’d replied to you specifically, and that wasn’t really my intention, I don’t think your post was unreasonable. I was just trying, clumsily to make a general point about the seemingly high proportion of players not achieving what they are capable of at Utd. Everyone buys a dud now and again but it seems to happen much more than usual at Utd, and the players that don’t fit often seem to stay at the club and frequently in the starting eleven. I think there’s a few reasons for that. High wages don’t help when trying to move players but I also think you’re trying to protect your assets/player values and you end up throwing good money after bad.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

If he's been here and done this 3 times, out of 5 years (10 transfer windows), doesn't that suggest, to the best of our knowledge that he's been committed far more than not?

Sorry. I don't understand the logic. Are you saying because he hasn't asked to leave for all 10 transfer windows he must be committed?

In his first season with us his toxic agent asked City if they wanted to sign him which was confirmed by Pep. Then in June 2019 he needed, "A new challenge." To cap it all off his agent once again came out and said Pogba was unhappy and wanted to leave in the January transfer window on the Eve of our most important game of the season in the CL against Leipzig in December 2020.

If you think he's been 100% committed to United in his time with us then I think we both have different ideas on the definition of the word committed.

 

[LoneStar]

He has been inconsistent, but not as inconsistent as you made out with your 'one good game in ten' claim. There's just so much more attention on his inconsistency than on anyone else that it's bizarre.

A good example is the season Mourinho got fired. Going by the media, Mourinho, and most fans, anyone would think Pogba had been absolutely terrible that entire season and was deliberately trying to get Mourinho fired. The reality is that he'd very much had a 50/50 season. Started well, had a poor patch, played well again, had a poor patch. Then Mourinho got fired. Now is 50/50 good enough? Of course not, and it's certainly inconsistent. But what nobody (especially the media) mentions is that Pogba being good for 50% of the season up until that point was comfortably better than any other outfield player in our entire squad. Shaw had a brief good period at the start of the season (coinciding with Pogba's first good patch), Martial had a brief good period midway through (coinciding with Pogba's second good patch). That's it. Every other single player from the strikers to the defenders had been terrible for the entire season to that point, and yet it's Pogba that took almost all the heat. Why is that?

Similar things happen regularly where he has taken more criticism than he really should have got. Once again I should stress that I'm not saying that he shouldn't have got any criticism - he certainly deserves some (especially over the last 18 months where things have gotten worse). But if we limit it to his first four seasons - which players were actually more consistent than Pogba during that period? Maybe Zlatan for the 2/3rd's of the season before the injury. Umm...anybody else? Smalling maybe?

Look, i understand your point. But the things is that none of our other midfielders were bought in for that much money, none of them are among the highest earners in the Premier League, nor do they have agents who badmouth the club at every given chance. Pogba remains one of the biggest starts of this United team, so his standards need to be higher than most players.

Like i had mentioned in another comment, I had very high expectations from Pogba based on his Juventus days. I think most people did, and tbf he has the ability to be that player. It’s just that he has never lived up to his transfer fee, or wages. Now he‘s getting older, and more concerning is that he seems to pick up injuries often. Given all of this previous track record, and the fact that he would likely be more injury prone moving forward, we absolutely should not give him a new contract.

A lot of our players deserve to be moved on. But this situation with Pogba makes it much easier to move him on. The worst thing the club can do is meet his demands for higher wages.

 

[Lee565]

Pogba is only here for the past 3 seasons because no other club put any serious bids forward which speaks volume for he is viewed as a talent considering juve were happy to spend 100 million ronaldo, Barca were happy to 120 million on coutinho and similar with hazard to madrid but none put any serious bid forward for pogba..

 

[GueRed]

When we signed him back in 2016 I thought he would be a driving force, a world class midfielder for us ...How wrong was I?

Top talent but based on his performances over almost the SIX years with us. He's been a Total flop.

When he goes i hope his toxic fanbase follow him out the door.

 

[Hammondo]

Pogba is only here for the past 3 seasons because no other club put any serious bids forward which speaks volume for he is viewed as a talent considering juve were happy to spend 100 million ronaldo, Barca were happy to 120 million on coutinho and similar with hazard to madrid but none put any serious bid forward for pogba..

Pogbas limitations have been put on display too many times.

 

[MadDogg]

Look, i understand your point. But the things is that none of our other midfielders were bought in for that much money, none of them are among the highest earners in the Premier League, nor do they have agents who badmouth the club at every given chance. Pogba remains one of the biggest starts of this United team, so his standards need to be higher than most players.

Like i had mentioned in another comment, I had very high expectations from Pogba based on his Juventus days. I think most people did, and tbf he has the ability to be that player. It’s just that he has never lived up to his transfer fee, or wages. Now he‘s getting older, and more concerning is that he seems to pick up injuries often. Given all of this previous track record, and the fact that he would likely be more injury prone moving forward, we absolutely should not give him a new contract.

A lot of our players deserve to be moved on. But this situation with Pogba makes it much easier to move him on. The worst thing the club can do is meet his demands for higher wages.

I couldn't care less about how much our players were bought for. Well, I'll judge the club on those fees as to whether we're doing well in the transfer market, and if it is going to take an over-the-top amount to buy a player I'll say we shouldn't do it (Rice for example), but once the player is actually at the club the fee shouldn't be held over his head. Pogba, or anybody else, should be treated and judged the exact same whether they cost 5m or 80m. It's only his performances that matter. He has nothing to do with the fee paid. Wages are a little more on the player, and if he's holding out for more than what his performances have deserved I won't be happy with them (and yes, Pogba does seem to be in that category now). But I still won't judge his actual performances differently based on what his wages are. Either he's playing well, or he's not.

The agent badmouthing the club...yeah, that's a fair one. I do think some people over-state how much Pogba is behind Raiola's shit-talking, thinking that he's directly acting as Pogba's mouth piece. That's certainly not the case and there have been a couple of times that Raiola has said something and Pogba has obviously told him to pull his head in as Raiola has come out the next day and borderline apologised. But ultimately the agent won't be talking if there's no fire, and if it keeps happening then obviously the player is ok with it happening in general. Pogba himself has also said a few things when he's been off on international duty, although once again I don't think most of them have been as bad as what some make out.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not 'happy' with Pogba. He hasn't helped himself at times and it's definitely time for him to move on (and IMO we should have tried as soon as Bruno came in to such success as there's no room for both of them). But there's also no doubt that he has been badly targeted and been the focal point of a lot of shit that he really shouldn't have been by the fans and the media, and he's also been badly utilized by the team and management. With that in mind is it really any surprise that he's been thinking of leaving for half his time here?

 

[newgiz]

Fair pint, I did realise after I posted that message that I’d replied to you specifically, and that wasn’t really my intention, I don’t think your post was unreasonable. I was just trying, clumsily to make a general point about the seemingly high proportion of players not achieving what they are capable of at Utd. Everyone buys a dud now and again but it seems to happen much more than usual at Utd, and the players that don’t fit often seem to stay at the club and frequently in the starting eleven. I think there’s a few reasons for that. High wages don’t help when trying to move players but I also think you’re trying to protect your assets/player values and you end up throwing good money after bad.

If we are talking overall strategy, I agree on your comments, and its quite clear that our approach towards player recruitment needs a significant makeover. We have offered contract renewals to players who simply don't deserve it with thoughts of 'protecting' an asset without considering what value they bring on the pitch. In reality, they end up being liabilities post contract renewal. It's poor planning and short term thinking. I am hoping that Rangnick acts as a guiding force in setting up a clear direction for the club not only in terms of recruitment strategy but also in terms of play style. But that is a discussion for another thread.

 

[Random Task]

I had hoped he'd stick around for the new manager, tried to make it work, but it was always unlikely given the contract situation.

Where do people expect him to go? PSG seems the most obvious destination since they're the only club outside the prem that can meet his wage demands.

And before anyone says it, no, he will not move to Chelsea or City

 

[Trex]

The thing with Pogba is his style is so unique, if you compare him with players with similar physique they're usually more selfless and discipline as well as more of goal threats.
Imagine if he moved the ball more quickly, positioned himself better and made timed run into the box, its what Mourinho wanted him to be.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I loved Pogba as a player in his first 2/3 years, but it's fair to say since his long term injury he's not been the same player.

He's still capable of magic at times, but it's becoming less and less regular. As others have stated his fitness is clearly a struggle to maintain at the moment. For the money he wants it's better to let him go and get a younger, fitter player that will work more as a team unit.

 

[Sandikan]

He's been here 6 years or so now, and we're still no closer to either working out what sort of player he is, or how to use him for maximum effect.
His signature move is being in the centre of midfield unnecessarily trying to hold off 2 men to show his close skills, inevitably losing it, and watching as the opposition romp through on our suddenly exposed centre backs for an effort on goal.

At some point you have to cut your losses and try and cut this insane wage bill down.

Any player on 250-300k + needs to be an absolute consistent game changer.

 

[Rocknrolla69er]

The most over rated player I've ever seen, I just don't see it with him.
I also don't get the Pogba Cult

Someone post me his assist and goals stats please and his appearances that should clear it up..........

 

[flameinthesun]

The most over rated player I've ever seen, I just don't see it with him.
I also don't get the Pogba Cult

Someone post me his assist and goals stats please and his appearances that should clear it up..........

What would it clear up? when compared to other midfielders who play in a midfield 2.

 

[SirReginald]

What would it clear up? when compared to other midfielders who play in a midfield 2.

Nothing, Stats mean absolutely nothing.

Let me see his XG mate.

 

[iHicksy]

Honestly - I can't help but feel that the old trafford crowd is partly to blame for our players (Pogba etc) feeling like they can put in zero effort on the pitch and then release comments like the above whilst at the club. Because they know there's going to be no repercussions. We seem to hold ourselves to some higher standard where we refuse to boo our own players. No matter the performances or lack of effort on their part. They aren't held accountable by the club, or by the fans.

I'm not saying we should turn into a Madrid (boo'ing ronaldo etc) but when players like Rashford and Pogba are putting in zero effort and the fans just clap them then i'm not sure what we expect. Look at Martial at Sevilla, he's jogging around putting in no effort into tracking players etc and rightly getting boo'd by the fans after only a couple of games because they're used to a higher level of effort. Meanwhile here we cheer him and still have people thinking he should be given another chance after 5 years of zero effort and sulking. We need to wake up as a fan base and start holding players accountable, god knows they get more than enough love from the match going fans the majority of time and rightly so, when they actually...try. As the bare minimum.

 

[Random Task]

Why not?

If I were him and City made a good offer I'd go in a heartbeat.

Because, despite popular opinion, Pogba isn't a shit bag.

I mean, sure, everyone has degrees of shit baggery in them, but you'd have to be the lowest of the low to run down your contract only to sign for a league rival. Pogba just wouldn't do it.

Does anyone else think he's capable of doing that?

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Because, despite popular opinion, Pogba isn't a shit bag.

I mean, sure, everyone has degrees of shit baggery in them, but you'd have to be the lowest of the low to run down your contract only to sign for a league rival. Pogba just wouldn't do it.

Does anyone else think he's capable of doing that?

He knows far too many people in the United set up to switch to City. Newcastle, on the other hand and for £500,000 / week, I could see.

 

[MadDogg]

He knows far too many people in the United set up to switch to City. Newcastle, on the other hand and for £500,000 / week, I could see.

I expect he probably would choose City if it were a choice between City and Newcastle. He wants to win titles, not help build a team that will compete for titles in a few years when he may be retired or past his best.

However I also expect he'd prefer to go to just about any of the other top teams in Europe before going to City. That's partly because of the Utd rivalry, and partly because of probably wanting to get out of England and start fresh.

Of course, Pep wouldn't have any interest in signing him at this stage so it's a moot point.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Because, despite popular opinion, Pogba isn't a shit bag.

I mean, sure, everyone has degrees of shit baggery in them, but you'd have to be the lowest of the low to run down your contract only to sign for a league rival. Pogba just wouldn't do it.

Does anyone else think he's capable of doing that?

I reckon he'd do it in a heart beat and so what if he did. He's just an employee looking for a new job.
This so called rivalry is not a thing to players that are from a different country.

He wouldn't get into the City team unless he started actually working his ass off on the field and if he did then he'd be the biggest shit bag going.

Won't happen though as City seem to do transfer business properly and they wouldnt be wasting money on a mediocre older player

 

[Hughie77]

I think he'd go to City as well, the guys got no scruples or any respect , only for himself, that has shown on the pitch, that was shown years ago when SAF was here.
The guy and his agent look out for themselves, I'd have a guess Utd haven't offered him a contact for the silly amount they want so, the knifes come out then. Its been like that since he's been here. I've defended him so have others in his time at Utd. But if City cough up his wages and they want him he'd go.

 

[Red00012]

He knows far too many people in the United set up to switch to City. Newcastle, on the other hand and for £500,000 / week, I could see.

Why would he go to Newcastle , he’s openly said he wants to be winning trophies. He’ll be 34/35 before they are challenging

 

[OleGunnar20]

Because, despite popular opinion, Pogba isn't a shit bag.

I mean, sure, everyone has degrees of shit baggery in them, but you'd have to be the lowest of the low to run down your contract only to sign for a league rival. Pogba just wouldn't do it.

Does anyone else think he's capable of doing that?

If that was the best deal on the table I think he would, absolutely. He strikes me as 100% self-interested, rather than a malicious shite type. Whatever is best for Paul is what he'll do, and who can blame him really?

 

[kouroux]

Mental health is a serious topic and whether Pogba is being truthful or not isn't what I wanna talk about, I am massively disappointed by his lack of self accountability.
Not once did he acknowledge his own shortcomings. It really is time to part ways after this season

 

[RuudTom83]

If he leaves the UK, nobody (in the English media) will watch him every week. But he will turn up once or twice in the CL and everyone will cream themselves with Jamie Redknapp claiming United were idiots to let him go.

Whereas any reasonable fan will agree Paul isn’t the problem by any means but he is not the solution either.

Time for both club and player to part ways. Thanks for the haircuts and a dozen good performances Paul.

 

[Robertd0803]

Because, despite popular opinion, Pogba isn't a shit bag.

I mean, sure, everyone has degrees of shit baggery in them, but you'd have to be the lowest of the low to run down your contract only to sign for a league rival. Pogba just wouldn't do it.

Does anyone else think he's capable of doing that?

I have no doubt whatsoever he is capable of it.

We all idolise RvP and he did it (to a certain extent).

 

[MattofManchester]

That interview annoyed me. It's another international break, another comment to stir the pot.

It's also on the back of poor performances against both Atletico and Spurs.

Nevermind that, if Paul Pogba had performed to a reasonable degree throughout his 6 years here, he'd have a leg to stand on with the interview.
But he hasn't.
Now I'm not talking World Class performances all game every game.
But he's probably had more stinkers than world class games for one, and he's been poor and cost us a few games making the exact same mistakes in most of them.
His own individual performances have been under par, so he can't really hold his head above the clouds and say the club has let him down under those circumstances. That's a ridiculous notion. His form here is not one of a player who belongs in a title winning team.

The positional issue is just as irritating. If he developed any semblance of defensive and positional skill, he would be a number one pick in the team all game every game. But he chose not to, meaning managers had a hard time fitting him in, as he's essentially a central midfielder(not an attacking midfielder, not 10, but a central midfielder) , who doesn't want to defend and shows no awareness(the same lack of awareness that lost him the ball against Switzerland and allowed them to counter for the winning goal in the Euros) in the main engine of a team.
You've got players like Carrick, David Silva and Modric who developed the defensive aspects of their game to give them a greater skillset for their team, then you get Paul Pogba who wants you to have two other midfielders in the team to do the parts of the game he doesn't want to do.
Even De Bruyne has defensive fecking duties ffs.

This is essentially the problem with Manchester United.
Lack of responsibility.

Too many players whinging and that things are not perfect for them rather than putting the hard graft in to secure their place in the team. They play for themselves, not the club.

He'll leave, but I'm very sure you'll see the same performances for his next club that you see here, and the same frustration from their fans that you see from ours.
His hype has been more than the quality he has displayed.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Does anyone else think he's capable of doing that?

Well, the question is whether he'd actually consider it a dick move. I honestly don't know - players these days seem less, let's say, "tribal" than ever. Perhaps also less in touch with what more "traditional" football fans feel.

As for his personality, no - I don't think he'd do that if he considered it a dick move (meaning - he wouldn't willingly pull a dick move, not giving a feck that it was a dick move).

He doesn't strike me as a dick. In fact, he seems to be well liked and respected by those he works with. The idea that he's "toxic" and so forth is widespread - but mainly among fans who don't know anything about how he interacts with his colleagues.

An interesting example is the Rooney comment which has gathered new momentum recently: Rooney reacting to Pogba dancing after a defeat, etc. What Rooney actually said wasn't particularly damning (of Pogba) at all: in fact, he praised him as both a team mate and a professional. He - belonging to a different generation - didn't approve of the dancing, but he explicitly stated that he had nothing against Pogba on either a personal or a professional level.

All things said and done (as far as I know), the only person who has ever questioned Pogba's integrity or professionalism is...Mourinho. And - yeah, enough said.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

We made a big mistake not selling him a few years back - he has continually flattered to deceive…just not cut out for the premier league….he will go back to a lesser league, look great, blow smoke out of his own arse and bitch. Sound like Lukaku? Yes.

Pogba is a tidy player at the right level and environment but the EPL finds him out big time. Big time Charlie set for big time PSG. Shame but another marriage thats ended in tears.

Ah, comparing him to Lukaku…

Yes, that’s a logical comparison to make isn’t it.