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Pogba Future
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
From what Riola has publicly said it more or less amounts to a transfer request and so if it hasn't happened formally yet it will.
Madrid or Juve should put us out our misery and offer decent money.
I've talked about this phenomenon for a while now. It's happening in other sports as well. I think the rise of player empowerment is contributing to it, as well as fans being able to get closer to players through social media.
I wouldn't be surprised if star player forums start to emerge, like the Pogba forum.
There will be entire forums devoted to players indeed.
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Red and White Pog
The Pog end
It's not weak management. We give potential buyers leverage if we declare that he can't play for us. His value would drop immediately. This is what Raiola is trying to do with his statements; no need to help him.
He's not a Gerrard or Robson though. I don't just mean in terms of stature but also type of player.
IMO he has more in common with players like David Silva. He can do the bare minimum water carrying to play in midfield, but he's no Roy of the rovers and if the rest of the midfield isn't doing their job (and a bit of his) don't expect him to carry their burden.
Give him the ball with willing runners around him though, and he can make things happen, both in midfield and close to goal.
I am sure there is plenty to criticise about him as well, but I do think part of the problem is that everyone, Pogba probably included, is trying to make him a kind of player that he is not really suited to be.
Zidane shares a lot of similarities with Pogba. He sees his former self in Pogba and want to help him to become the best player in the world and not be wasted as DM.
And Zidane is Pogba's idol ( Zidane is the idol of all the frenchmen born after the 70s btw )
Pogba and Zidane is a match made in heaven. He should have signed for Real in 2016, he already made a mistake, I can't see him miss the train a second time
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okThis would be my dream public Ole take on it:
"I'm not sure Juventus are in for him (smiles) or if they're just trying to look good being linked to yet another big name (big grin). With Real, I'm not sure the club is totally backing Zizou (little Ole laugh), but I'm happy to let Pogba leave for 150M (reluctant smile). If clubs won't come up with that fee, he can fight for his place (big smile) and if he's unhappy, he can always play for the reserves (little Ole laugh). No one is bigger than the club (serious smile). And any disrespect for the club will be met with fines (reluctant big smile)."
"I'm not sure Juventus are in for him (smiles) or if they're just trying to look good being linked to yet another big name (big grin). With Real, I'm not sure the club is totally backing Zizou (little Ole laugh), but I'm happy to let Pogba leave for 150M (reluctant smile). If clubs won't come up with that fee, he can fight for his place (big smile) and if he's unhappy, he can always play for the reserves (little Ole laugh). No one is bigger than the club (serious smile). And any disrespect for the club will be met with fines (reluctant big smile)."
This would be more joyful than the 99 CL final!
There is definitely something going on behind the scenes.
The lack of Pogba on all social media pictures by Manchester United is significant! Very significant.
He's our most marketing wise popular player. You simply can't not put him on social media without a cause.
He's off. No question about that anymore. Just hope we get a good amount for him.
The lack of Pogba on all social media pictures by Manchester United is significant! Very significant.
He's our most marketing wise popular player. You simply can't not put him on social media without a cause.
He's off. No question about that anymore. Just hope we get a good amount for him.
Let's hope so, this madness needs to stop.
He'll never get a job at Barca - Barca and Barca's players are everything that Pogba isn't.
One thing which might help is if we send him out on loan with a ' Compulsory Buy Clause '
Gets some money in for us now and gets him off our payroll and, more importantly, out of our club instead of having to put up with him for another 12 months until Real or Juve have scraped together enough cash or PSG can get round FFP yet again.
Pretty much and that's on that very point that I have defended his performances and criticized people expectations. Now, he can do one with his new challenge.
You said Real or Barca, even though Real have been actively trying to sign him, pretty sure Barca were too last summer. Seems an odd statement to make
No....I said he'll not get a job at Barca. Just doesn't fit their style and Barca wouldn't tolerate his and Raiola's antics.
But he'd get one at Real, absolutely no doubt about that, while Zidane's there. And, let's face it, Real is all about Drama Queens and Pogba would fit into that role perfectly.
Yes sorry. The post I laughed at:
I mainly laughed because Real are actively pursuing a deal. Also Barca are signing Greizzmann, had Neymar and have Dembele, they also have their drama queens and also again were pursuing a deal last summer
Good post.
It really is.
Keep an underperforming player, who will be a negative in the dressing room and decrease in value anyway.
He's not going to perform, he's a liability we can do without.
No player is bigger than the club. If he isn't committed to us, he has no place to be in and around the first team.
Including him in the tour is a mistake. He should be fined and made to rot in the reserves.
I'd genuinely be that strict. Set an example that the club comes 1st. Pogba is making us the laughing stock of the media with his and his agents behaviour
Taking him on tour is a mistake for me.
He needs to be fined and kept away from the 1st team.
Agree with your points. He's made a media circus out of us.
He's not worthy training with our reserves
He's nowhere near a Silva though. Silva has an appreciation of space and time that Pogba can only dream of. He has the physical traits of a Gerrard moreso than a Silva and he was groomed as that type of player when he was in the youth teams here.
When he left for Italy, he wasn't an obvious long-term fit for any of the two main midfield spots occupied by Pirlo, Marchisio, and later Vidal, and was instead the third man in midfield with license to bomb forward - again, not much different to Gerrard.
When he came back, he was meant to be the player we built around - a la Gerrard at Liverpool c.2004 but because he couldn't (or seemingly wouldn't) work in double pivot, that plan fell by the wayside and Jose went down the route of Sanchez. When Jose burned his bridges, Pogba was again given the keys to the team and was fantastic for two months playing in a Gerrard/Robson/Keane-lite role where he picked up the ball in deep positions, distributed it and bombed on. Again, the polar opposite to Silva and more like Gerrard.
He's not someone to build the team around and the fact that he still has these inconsistencies in application and effort at near enough the age of 27 reflects poorly on him as a player and a professional.
Zidane might have these dreams of getting Pogba to be the best player in Europe, but considering he's building his new project around two temperamental geniuses in Pogba and Hazard, who only turn up when they feel like it (and in the case of Hazard) can have whole seasons where they are phoning it in, makes me think his project is doomed to fail. Maybe he can fluke a CL or two, but in the age of VAR that's looking pretty unlikely as well.
I just predicted you're future mate. I admire the stance you are making on Pogba but you really do have the blinkers on. Out of interest, who is you're 2nd and 3rd favourite player and is this little football club worthy of their presence?
I’m not a huge fan of the tour scenario either but from a negotiating point of view we need to show we’re willing to keep him
We also need to show to players present and future that agitating for a move won’t get you what you want, otherwise what kind of precedent does that set for the future?
It's the fat man equation...
United yield:
Pogba --> Madrid
Raiola yields:
De Ligt --> United
Whatever may be reason of pogba leaving . This is not he first time a good quality player wanting to go it happen earlier with di Maria and many other players earlier ..
Noticed this as well.
However, I imagine we're just trying to stop the image of a sad looking Pogba be circulated. Woodward is probably still insistent on keeping the spoilt brat!
There's also the fact that he seems to be actively fighting with players now. Look at the 10 second mark in this clip:
Pogba even spat in frustration whilst Lukaku was looking at it in mild amusement.
Lingard seemed proper vexed about something. How did the club even post that video, was it on purpose?Our squad is full of absolute wankers.
I know that most over here would disagree but for me Pogba biggest asset is from a financial perspective. He s our most popular player.
He ll be a bigger loss to the marketing manager than to the football manager
He ll be a bigger loss to the marketing manager than to the football manager
Get rid of him asap. And fine him for being the only one not wearing a blazer on the plane out.
Lukaku looked surly in that clip too, I'd put him on the plane home (or to Italy) too.
Lukaku looked surly in that clip too, I'd put him on the plane home (or to Italy) too.
Poor AWB really did look like the new boy in his first day at a new school. Billy no mates
Romero seems like a cool guy though.Chilled out,without a care in the world.
You honestly got that from that video clip (where later he's seen laughing)?
This thread is getting very RAWKish
Is it any wonder it's the perennial Peter Pan Lingard? 10 seconds is apt, I don't think anyone could stand to be around that jester for more than 10 seconds.
By all accounts that's (hopefully) his quiet persona.Poor AWB really did look like the new boy in his first day at a new school. Billy no mates
Outrightly spitting in frustration is a normal behaviour to you as well, again in a fully public manner and knowing this is being posted? Do you live with a blindfold in front of your eyes or something like that?You honestly got that from that video clip (where later he's seen laughing)?
This thread is getting very RAWKish
Pogba wasn't laughing at any point, smirking is in no way laughing. He hasn't featured in any official photo from the club or players. Why you continue to put every bit of what's going on as pure coincidence is absolutely beyond me.
I'm glad you finally dropped the silly notion that Pogba was rebelling by not putting on his blazer. Even you saw how silly that line of reasoning was. But it seems like now you are latching on to this. You sure do like to jump to conclusions.
I reckon the sponsors decided that, not anyone at the club.
Doesn't look good. I wish Pogba and Lukaku weren't on this tour. They don't want to be there and I don't want to watch them put on our shirt when they have been so disrespectful of it this summer. Feels like there is a lot of potential for toxic drama and I expect both players to leave anyway so their fitness/tactical integration is just going to be a waste of time.
I haven't dropped anything though. The only silly thing is Pogba's actions since his comments about wanting a new challenge and your constant ability to create excuses for him.