People seem to be forgetting that he wanted out last summer, too and he had, by his own definition at least, his best season at United.
Pogba Future
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If he stays this season it'll mean he'll have spent more time here wanting to leave than actually wanting to stay
I think he's been wanting to leave since the first Mourinho fallout in February/March 2018
Maybe even as early as the end of 2017. Remember when Guardiola said after the derby that he was offered Pogba - our fans abused him and accused him for lying.If he stays this season it'll mean he'll have spent more time here wanting to leave than actually wanting to stay
I think he's been wanting to leave since the first Mourinho fallout in February/March 2018
Why would he lie about it when we never really provided competition to them and why would someone like Mourinho not hit back strongly at anyone supposedly trying to destabilise the club? I clearly remember Mourinho smirking about it when he was asked in the press conference and now I believe he knew already that Pogba was angling for a move almost straight away after his first season here.
For the record, I despise the Portuguese manager for what he has done to United so I'm not some Jose acolyte trying to defend his actions. But I suspect that a lot of his problems with Pogba were real and had a serious reason behind them.
I believe him. Guardiola doesn’t strike me as someone who would just lie about something like that. The only one saying he lied is Raiola. I’d trust Guardiola over Raiola any day of the week.
Yeah I agree with you.
I don't like Mourinho and was delighted he was sacked but it's always been clear it wasn't 100% his fault.
Yes he's wanted out since the fallout with Jose and probably the 2-1 defeat to City which was the season before last. We had a great start but fizzled out around Christmas and lost track with City. Probably clear to Pogba we were not going to overhaul Pep and Abu Dhabi anytime soon.
The time to go for both Pogba and Jose was before the start of last season, certainly Jose who was always going to start smashing the house up.
Both Pogba and Jose have been awful for us off the pitch but the blame is due to the board for bringing Jose in. We had all the warnings at Chelsea and somewhat at Madrid. Jose brings Pogba back who he can't handle. At Chelsea he tried to prove a point by bringing in Falcao after failing at United yet that backfired too.
I actually said before we hired Jose I'm worried about someone managing the club who tried to prove a point by bringing in Falcao at Chelsea. Jose's transfers have been awful or disruptive.
We also brought in Di Maria under LVG, who everyone knew wanted PSG, a waste of space disruptive player for us who we sell to PSG 16m less than we paid 12 months before. Pogba was wanting Madrid or Barca while at Juve but they only wanted to pay 60 million. Pogba was a statement signing by Jose of past United failings and not a surprise to me the statements he makes to the board in the Spurs game.
A decent board or director could've avoided all this dodgy business.
The time to go for both Pogba and Jose was before the start of last season, certainly Jose who was always going to start smashing the house up.
Both Pogba and Jose have been awful for us off the pitch but the blame is due to the board for bringing Jose in. We had all the warnings at Chelsea and somewhat at Madrid. Jose brings Pogba back who he can't handle. At Chelsea he tried to prove a point by bringing in Falcao after failing at United yet that backfired too.
I actually said before we hired Jose I'm worried about someone managing the club who tried to prove a point by bringing in Falcao at Chelsea. Jose's transfers have been awful or disruptive.
We also brought in Di Maria under LVG, who everyone knew wanted PSG, a waste of space disruptive player for us who we sell to PSG 16m less than we paid 12 months before. Pogba was wanting Madrid or Barca while at Juve but they only wanted to pay 60 million. Pogba was a statement signing by Jose of past United failings and not a surprise to me the statements he makes to the board in the Spurs game.
A decent board or director could've avoided all this dodgy business.
His intentions must have been known at the end of the season and we must have had a plan in place for a replacement. If we were a well run club then Id we expect an A list signing - Eriken for example + one or two others, then the announcement that Pogba is leaving.
I'm more expecting a Pogba announcement a week before season starts for 110 and a panic last minute panic buy. 50 mill for Longstaff.
I'm more expecting a Pogba announcement a week before season starts for 110 and a panic last minute panic buy. 50 mill for Longstaff.
Gotta love our fans,they'll shit on Ashley Young for showing up to training with a bright smile on his face and will shit on the wantaway for showing up not looking the cheeriest
Seems some want to replace players with robots
Seems some want to replace players with robots
Depends on how good those robots are.Gotta love our fans,they'll shit on Ashley Young for showing up to training with a bright smile on his face and will shit on the wantaway for showing up not looking the cheeriest
Seems some want to replace players with robots
We know now i suppose or at least for another say 15 years until things repeat itself.
Gotta love our fans,they'll shit on Ashley Young for showing up to training with a bright smile on his face and will shit on the wantaway for showing up not looking the cheeriest
Seems some want to replace players with robots
Why wouldnt Young smile though.. he hasnt been good enough for years but will play another season for Manchester United while also getting a lot of money for it. Young has every reason to smile.
Pogba should be in a team capable of winning the biggest things in football but he is stuck in a team where Lingard will most likely be the starting RW next season.
I support Pogba, but Manchester United is the one that deserves the best players, not the other way around indeed.
We should sell him if he doesn't want to be here, which certainly seems to be the case. He's a good, sometimes great player, but he's not irreplaceable. I don't really blame him either, he has the opportunity to go somewhere else to win trophies and it's pretty unlikely he'll do that with us, so fair enough. It shouldn't be a mammoth task to build a good midfield without him, and it might even be easier to do so without him in terms of balance.
I was devastated when Pogba left for Juventus, now I can't get rid of him soon enough.
So in conclusion, not wearing the blazer is considered as rebellious?
We need a new thread and poll to decide.
We need a new thread and poll to decide.
So, what has he done? You are having the same problems you had last year and Mourinho isn't here. Everyone blamed Mourinho for everything and now, "no" signings, Pogba making everyone a clown AGAIN, Scout Woodward and company deciding what not to buy. Keep blaming Mourinho for everything and close your eyes to the real problem
There is a general opinion on here that Pogba is worth 150m. If that is true, then prime Modric is easily 200m.
I thought the 3 years contract would work in the club favour. Alternatively just keep fining/benching him. He won’t be able to last 3 years rotting in reserves.
By that token, a prime Ronaldo would be worth £500 million. It's not a general opinion. As history tells you otherwise.
Just wish Pogba would feck off as soon as possible and take that slimy feck Raiola away from the club. Don't like him and can see why sir Alex said "He and I were like oil and water" Great quote from the great man, he had it spot on.
100% wish him well. Never worked out for him here and he could of at times offered more but this is not a club you want to offer the prime of your football career to. Look at the ambition of the club, if City finished 6th, would they have signed a couple of unproven young lads? Would they have recruited a manager from a Norwegian league even if he was a club legend? We already lost 2 midfielders which haven't been replaced and are linked with a young lad from Newcastle who's played a handful of first team games...
Lewis Hamilton no matter how good he is, still needs a good team around him and a great car. If he hadn't, he's winning feck all. Pogs you leave with my blessing....
Lewis Hamilton no matter how good he is, still needs a good team around him and a great car. If he hadn't, he's winning feck all. Pogs you leave with my blessing....
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He won't last a few weeks/months, there is a Euro at the end of next season and he knows he can be benched if he isn't playing regularly for his club since there are many options in midfield.
I'll get you a bucket
It’s fair enough if he wants to leave and hands in a transfer request, he can get a better move and we rudderless at the moment. We’re shit already with him so worse case scenario is we’d be shit without him.
However he’ll also have to accept that he can only move for the right fee and sounds like the two teams that want him don’t have the money.
Think deal will happen as we will become increasing desperate and take Bale and money for him.
However he’ll also have to accept that he can only move for the right fee and sounds like the two teams that want him don’t have the money.
Think deal will happen as we will become increasing desperate and take Bale and money for him.
Maradona must have been shit then, if we're going by your amazing person I admire logic.
I would be extremely disappointed if we accepted Bale as part of the deal. If this deal happens really would not want us take Bale due to age, injury problems and ridiculous wages which I've read are around £480,000 per week, which we were supposedly willing to pay although I have read figures in excess of £600,000 which seems extremely unlikely, if these figures are to be believed. Only way I would take him would be on a pay as you pay contract on loan with significantly reduced wages which I couldn't ever see happening.
Remember the Rooney angry and confused thread? This Pogba soap opera makes it look not that of a big deal now
How nice that he can leave with your blessing.
Pal should be allowed to leave. £150m and whoever bids that you can leave.
The only issue is... It is almost guaranteed that money will not be reinvested into the team. If Pogba leaves, we need to spend the £150 on 2 players, I fear this will go straight into the Glazers pocket. If that is the case, I would rather keep Pogba and let him rot in the reserves.
The only issue is... It is almost guaranteed that money will not be reinvested into the team. If Pogba leaves, we need to spend the £150 on 2 players, I fear this will go straight into the Glazers pocket. If that is the case, I would rather keep Pogba and let him rot in the reserves.
Are we really at a "if Maradona could do it, I don't see why Pogba shouldn't either" stage?
I've talked about this phenomenon for a while now. It's happening in other sports as well. I think the rise of player empowerment is contributing to it, as well as fans being able to get closer to players through social media.
I wouldn't be surprised if star player forums start to emerge, like the Pogba forum.
He can feck off with my blessing too.
No, but to say you need a quality team around you to perform is utter bollocks.
I've already used the example of Robson for us in the 80s, and Gerrard for yourselves in noughties.
You can maybe argue that you need good players to be at your optimum, but to say you need them to perform full stop is so stupid, I don't even have the words to adequately describe the scale of it.
If Pogba was giving just a 7/10 every game in effort and application, let alone skill and performances, I'd say you know what, fair play it isn't working out. But he's been barely 6/10 (EDIT - that's being kind - more like 3s and 4s) in most of the big games he's been involved in and too prone to going missing in the smaller games where he evidently can't be arsed.
That isn't on the team's frailties. It's on him.
The fact we have three years on his contract means he isn't the one in the driving seat here, we are. Either Real cough up £150m, or Pogba knuckles down and sucks it up.
Don't you think that Pogba would have been a lot better if United had surrounded him with much better players around? I'm thinking about how Pogba excelled at the world cup, give him a very good box to box midfielder and quality runners around and things will happen.
When United brought him home, i think that Pogba thought United would bring in every summer a few world class players. At first it looked that way with Ibrahimovic, the next window was a bit underwhelming but last season and so far it's been an absolute joke.
Pogba wants to play in a successful team and of course the club has to be ambitious. At United it's been mostly talk, there's no Griezmann, Mbappe or Dembele coming. Of course United spent money, but when you compare it to the Spanish giants who continue on spending until they hit quality, difference is night and day .
On top of that Pogba gets an unbelievable bad treatment on social media. Fans could call Pogba's attitude ambitious, he doesn't accept mediocrity. We'll see, but i don't think United will be a better team with Longstaff and Fernandes in it instead of Pogba.
Question for you : Has Pogba put in a transfer request? I am guessing not. Mino wouldn`t want any reduction in his "prize" I guess?
Great player or not. He or Him+Raiola are absolute poision for your club.
(Last post today, still on training wheels)
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Great player or not. He or Him+Raiola are absolute poision for your club.
(Last post today, still on training wheels)
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Think he needs to go, But looking at the state of that midfield going on Tour it really does show why we cannot afford to lose him.
Instead he gives him more time off and permission to join pre season training late. Well just in time to catch the flight to Australia. Pathetic, that really does sound like weak management to me, treat him the same as every one else or show him the door, don’t give him more time off as though he’s deserving of it.
I think the club is in terminal decline.
Stand by for more tears this coming season, and they won’t be tears of joy.
Oh I don’t know, the way he performed last season his value might actually go up.