Pogba Future

[GM K]

Make a random comment and when someone questions it, follow it up with more nonsense.

Bit rich talking about anyone when Jose fans can't wait to bring his name in Pogba's thread. Like I said, Madrid/Juve wants Pogba and some Chinese club wants Jose.

Again, I repeat, Mourinho was not Pogba's problem. That much is obvious now. Stay on topic.

 

[kouroux]

I actually think Pogba will thrive in any club happy to pay him what he wants, allow him to showboat and surround him with big name players. Nothing wrong with that. It's who he is. A player of his talent will always be a star in the right environment. My issue was with the idea that Mourinho was Pogba's problem. I argued against it then and I still do so now. Jose had his own issues and had to go undoubtedly but it was unfair to pin Pogba's problems on him.

Of course he was, Mourinho was the problem for most of the entire team. Mourinho needed to feck off and this despite the current situation with Pogba. How everyone started to play much better he got fired for a little while is a good example that Mourinho hampered the whole team.

Means he is being played as a 10 without any responsibilities to win back the ball of control the play and he is happy in that role.

Ole and Woodward even with the evidence of 10 games will penny pinch in the market and not invest in 3 quality midfielders to give him the license to play in the Role he likes, as we are always short of the money in the market.

Zidane's playing style will bring more out of him that's sure, as no one at this club talks or cares about playing style and players in the squad on their strengths. The situation with Sanchez is similar, every top manager understands he is a striker now but at this club he won't play as one.

There was a poll about the next manager we should hire and playing style was the reason I voted for Zidane over pochh suiting the strengths of these players in the squad.

10 games later ole and phelan was back to " what fergie used to do, and clearly we paid the price for it in the end.

You make a lot of good points.

 

[GM K]

Mourinho deserves criticism just as much as Pogba and Woodward.

On this, we agree.

 

[roonster09]

Again, I repeat, Mourinho was not Pogba's problem. That much is obvious now. Stay on topic.

Mourinho was everyone's problem. He was the problem for the entire team, him and his methods.

 

[GM K]

Of course he was, Mourinho was the problem for most of the entire team. Mourinho needed to feck off and this despite the current situation with Pogba. How everyone started to play much better he got fired for a little while is a good example that Mourinho hampered the whole team.

You make a lot of good points.

Mourinho was Pogba's problem but Mourinho left and Pogba is still posing the same problems that Mourinho was said to have been behind back then? It doesn't make sense unless to me.

 

[roonster09]

Of course he was, Mourinho was the problem for most of the entire team. Mourinho needed to feck off and this despite the current situation with Pogba. How everyone started to play much better he got fired for a little while is a good example that Mourinho hampered the whole team

Exactly.

 

[GM K]

Mourinho was everyone's problem. He was the problem for the entire team, him and his methods.

Focus on Pogba mate.

If Mourinho was Pogba's problem, why are we still having Pogba problems after Pogba got him sacked?

 

[kouroux]

Mourinho was Pogba's problem but Mourinho left and Pogba is still posing the same problems that Mourinho was said to have been behind back then? It doesn't make sense unless to me.

It's becauser you wanna look at things in isolation and not how they correlate with each other which you have to in a football club, Mourinho being the biggest problem doesn't make Pogba innocent in what was/is wrong with the club. Everything is connected, Mourinho getting fired had to happen but that was just the first necessary step to heal the club.

 

[bucky]

You're making us sound like a train wreck. We're still Manchester United mate, one of the top clubs in the world at least in terms of infrastructure, financial means and reputation. If you think we're the only clubs in the world who are in shambles then think again. Inter need to break Lukaku's fee in a 100 pieces as they can't afford buying him in full, AC Milan had been kicked out of Europe, Ancelotti had just threatened Napoli regarding the prospect of them selling Koulibaly, Arsenal are in shambles, Chelsea have a transfer ban, Pocchetino has just come out saying that he's got as much control on transfers as glaston spurs have.....sure we're not as well run as Shitty or Liverpool are. However we're not Blackburn either.

I am not. I am merely trying to point out the reasoning for players to reject us, especially at the moment.

 

[GoldanoGraham]

Pogba is actively trying to leave.
Pogba has also underperformed in his time here.
Pogba is also becoming a bad influence in the dressing room.
Pogba doesnt fit in to what ole is trying to do

He simply has to go.

Our club and squad would be better for it.

You cannot afford to have a player involved who doesnt want to be there. Pogba has proven in his application and performances he isnt capable of putting 100% in.

Cannot wait for him to be sold.

The "give us one more year" logic is brainless in the extreme. He doesnt wanna be here! Either sell at the best price we can get or have him in the reserves and nowhere near the first team squad at all. He has no place here

Totally agree - need to turn this around - publicly state you can go for £150m - keep him away from the first team squad and play hardball. Let Madrid keep stirring up shit with Raiola and Marca and lets go an get a replacement(s).

It’s clear to see the tactic that Pogba and Raiola are going to take - talk of going on strike etc will soon follow - I’d love us to make an example of him and keep him in the reserves until January - we really do need him out of the club if we are to restart a fresh rebuild - there is no point having him around the 1st team as his negativity and ego will be detrimental to all.

Yes he’s a good player - but not as good as he thinks he is - he’s not a good teammate though and as Mou once said - he is a Virus...

 

[el3mel]

I'm glad I turned on this lad for over a year or a year and half now despite his die hard fans defending the hell out of him and blaming the entire world for his problems but nevertheless he kept letting them down and showing his real colors.

 

[Mr Smith]

To be honest if the Dybala + Sandro deal is still on the table I'd bite their hand off at this stage. I think Pogba is an amazing player but there's no point keeping him around if he's so determined to go.

 

[roonster09]

Focus on Pogba mate.

If Mourinho was Pogba's problem, why are we still having Pogba problems after Pogba got him sacked?

What? He wants out as we are in shit position, and who was the reason for this? Yeah the toxic washed up guy.

 

[kouroux]

I'm glad I turned on this lad for over a year or a year and half now despite his die hard fans defending the hell out of him and blaming the entire world for his problems but nevertheless he kept letting them down and showing his real colors.

That's a weird thing to be glad about if you don't mind me saying A player wanting to leave is something normal, not like he commited a war crime

 

[devilish]

I repeat, Mourinho was not Pogba's problem. I started with that and I maintain it. I refuse to be swayed into Mourinho's Manchester United legacy. My point that started all this, was about Mourinho not being Pogba's problem. That much us obvious now.

Let me tell you what I think. Pogba damaged the relationship with United the moment he showed Sir Alex the middle finger. He shouldn't have come here after that

a- you don't treat the most important man this club has ever had that way and then expect the red carpet
b- while he's extremely talented, his flaws in the game makes him unsuitable at a club built around the working class mentality. A generation earlier another top top player learnt that the hard way ie Veron.

Mou signed him despite having no idea what Pogba brings (or leave out) of the table.He was the complete anti Mourinho player. Only god knows why he did it but I guess it was the time when he was sucking up at Mino Raiola which explains why we also signed Mkhitaryan. When things got tough, Mou did what he always does. He blamed someone else for it (Ronaldo, Casillas, Shaw, Pogba, Woodward you name it) and expected the club to just sell the guy and bring him the new expensive toy he wanted. Pogba was an easy target for the reasons I've mentioned before.

Ole tried to save things up but he couldn't change how Pogba plays which is incompatible to United' ethos. By that time Pogba's reputation with the fans had hit the rocks and honestly the guy had way better options then getting booed in freezing Manchester while playing in the Europa league.

 

[devilish]

I am not. I am merely trying to point out the reasoning for players to reject us, especially at the moment.

I find it very difficult to believe that we're not able to persuade Real's second string to join us.

 

[GM K]

Let me tell you what I think. Pogba damaged the relationship with United the moment he showed Sir Alex the middle finger. He shouldn't have come here after that

a- you don't treat the most important man this club has ever had that way and then expect the red carpet
b- while he's extremely talented, his flaws in the game makes him unsuitable at a club built around the working class mentality. A generation earlier another top top player learnt that the hard way ie Veron.

Mou signed him despite having no idea what Pogba brings (or leave out) of the table.He was the complete anti Mourinho player. Only god knows why he did it but I guess it was the time when he was sucking up at Mino Raiola which explains why we also signed Mkhitaryan. When things got tough, Mou did what he always does. He blamed someone else for it (Ronaldo, Casillas, Shaw, Pogba, Woodward you name it) and expected the club to just sell the guy and bring him the new expensive toy he wanted. Pogba was an easy target for the reasons I've mentioned before.

Ole tried to save things up but he couldn't change how Pogba plays which is incompatible to United' ethos. By that time Pogba's reputation with the fans had hit the rocks and honestly the guy had way better options then getting booed in freezing Manchester while playing in the Europa league.

It is hard to argue against your post. Good one.

 

[GM K]

What? He wants out as we are in shit position, and who was the reason for this? Yeah the toxic washed up guy.

This is laughable really.

 

[Mylock]

Its time to move Pogba on, he should never have been bought in the 1st place. He ran away from when fergie would not play him as an 18 year old. His agent is a cancer on the game. He was bought to sell jerseys, Woodward must be shitting himself that we don't have any world star name to promote the Jersey sales. He won't be missed on the pitch, apart from 1st 6 games after when Jose left he has been poor. Time to close the pobga book for good.

 

[el3mel]

That's a weird thing to be glad about if you don't mind me saying A player wanting to leave is something normal, not like he commited a war crime

Wanting to leave is normal? We have replied on this point several times by now. Him wanting out isn't a problem. He can feck off.

He's disrespecting the club by going full public about the matter to try and force us to sell for lower price than what we want. First him, then his fat agent.

If you want to leave, bring a good fee and feck off. Trying to twist the club elbows by going in public and forcing to sell for any price is a cnutish behavior from him and his agent. So much for how people convinced us he loved United.

He doesn't intend to leave on good terms which is exactly what he did when he left for the first time. If he wants to leave, he could have kept them behind the doors and asked the clubs wanting him to bring a fee reasonable for the club "he loves" out of respect but Nope, let's go full public about it, first I will try and if it didn't succeed then my fat agent.

He has showed his real colors by the way he's trying to force the move while we are ready to prepare for a new season.

 

[roonster09]

This is laughable really.

Tbh thats what i feel when read I Jose fans posts and how they think current situation has nothing to do with him.

 

[kouroux]

Wanting to leave is normal? We have replied on this point several times by now. Him wanting out isn't a problem. He can feck off.

He's disrespecting the club by going full public about the matter to try and force us to sell for lower price than what we want. First him, then his fat agent.

If you want to leave, bring a good fee and feck off. Trying to twist the club elbows by going in public and forcing to sell for any price is a cnutish behavior from him and his agent. So much for how people convinced us he loved United.

He doesn't intend to leave on good terms which is exactly what he did when he left for the first time. If he wants to leave, he could have kept them behind the doors and asked the clubs wanting him to bring a fee reasonable for the club "he loves" out of respect but Nope, let's go full public about it, first I will try and if it didn't succeed then my fat agent.

He has showed his real colors by the way he's trying to force the move while we ready to prepare for a new season.

Of course it is, players aren't fans and they will always look for their best interest. It's been happening for years, fans need to be prepared for these sort of things. This is why this "outrage" is really to funny me.
What makes you say he's twisting the club's elbow by forcing a sale at any price ? This is pure imagination. He wants out and that's it, he doesn't control much beyond that. Our club is in position of strength to negotiate with interested parties

 

[DickDastardly]

You know what I would love to hear.

Ole coming out on a presser and stating:

"Mr.Pogba is not going on a preseason tour."

"Mr.Pogba is free to leave Manchester United if a club payes what we ask."

"If not, mr.Pogba can play in the Paul Pogba Adidas League the whole year. Maybe he can win it."

You know, big ballz Ole coming out making a big dick statement. Getting all the headlines.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

If Dybala and Sandro are available for Pogba it wouldn't be my dream scenario but something I would take. Would rather take players in exchange than get full price in cash as I don't have faith in Woody to reinvest the full fee within the squad. Also the longer this drags in the more chance I can see Real trying to getting us to accept a low offer. Also if Pogba doesn't get his move, I fear that he will go and start sulking next year and that is something that we really don't need at the moment.

 

[kouroux]

You know what I would love to hear.

Ole coming out on a presser and stating:

"Mr.Pogba is not going on a preseason tour."

"Mr.Pogba is free to leave Manchester United if a club payes what we ask."

"If not, mr.Pogba can play in the Paul Pogba Adidas League the whole year. Maybe he can win it."

You know, big ballz Ole coming out making a big dick statement. Getting all the headlines.

I'd love that, our club has been way too quiet with this. We show strength and make a strong public statement.

 

[el3mel]

Of course it is, players aren't fans and they will always look for their best interest. It's been happening for years, fans need to be prepared for these sort of things. This is why this "outrage" is really to funny me.

Again you don't get it. He's fine to feck off if he wants. No one is angry about him wanting to leave. The way he's trying to force it is the cause of the outrage. He can leave without acting like a twat and going full public about it to force the club to sell for a lower price. This is for me and many others is disrespectful to the club he has a long running contract with.

 

[kouroux]

Again you don't get it. He's fine to feck off if he wants. No one is angry about him wanting to leave. The way he's trying to force it is the cause of the outrage. He can leave without acting like a twat and going full public about it to force the club to sell for a lower price. This is for me and many others is disrespectful to the club he has a long running contract with.

That's what I don't get. How did you come up with that conclusion ? He can ask to leave but the club still holds all the cards this summer.

 

[devilish]

You know what I would love to hear.

Ole coming out on a presser and stating:

"Mr.Pogba is not going on a preseason tour."

"Mr.Pogba is free to leave Manchester United if a club payes what we ask."

"If not, mr.Pogba can play in the Paul Pogba Adidas League the whole year. Maybe he can win it."

You know, big ballz Ole coming out making a big dick statement. Getting all the headlines.

That would reduce his price by 50m.

 

[bucky]

I find it very difficult to believe that we're not able to persuade Real's second string to join us.

We obviously could. That's not what I've been saying. I just think these player plus cash deals aren't that likely.

 

[devilish]

I find it very difficult to believe that we're not able to persuade Real's second string to join us.

Well they become more likely IF Real is determined not to pay the full price for Pogba and if we rate those players. My concern is not our ability to attract the likes of Ceballos but more about whether our incompetent 50 scout+ team lead by the rookie knows if the likes of Ceballos even exist.

 

[el3mel]

That's what I don't get. How did you come up with that conclusion ? He can ask to leave but the club still holds all the cards this summer.

Why didn't he ask to leave in private only and kept it behind the doors like any respectful and profession will do ? Why did he decide to go public about it by his quotes from several weeks ago? Why did his agent decide to follow it by another set of quotes? Beside, all reliable English journalists reported we aren't intended to sell and are expecting him to stay when his first quotes emerged. Then his agent followed up by such quotes. It's easy.

 

[giorno]

If Pogba made his wishes known for a while and our club hasn't done anything about it then it's wrong. You cannot go on into a new season like that with this much doubt concerning your most important player. The club should have sold him or came up with a big statement saying "he isn't for sale and that's that". I hate this situation that is so blurry.

Well, if reports from Spain are to be believed the club *did* tell Pogba he would not be sold

 

[devilish]

Why didn't he ask to leave in private only and kept it behind the doors like any respectful and profession will do ? Why did he decide to go public about it by his quotes from several weeks ago? Why did his agent decide to follow it by another set of quotes? Beside, all reliable English journalists reported we aren't intended to sell and are expecting him to stay when his first quotes emerged. Then his agent followed up by such quotes. It's easy.

I think that Kouroux had answered to that already

"He can ask to leave but the club still holds all the cards this summer."

Under such circumstances Pogba has to force our hand to sell. This ain't no different to what Ibra did when he forced Juventus to sell him to Inter. Its typical Mino Raiola's way of negotiating when pushed to the corner.

 

[kouroux]

Why didn't he ask to leave in private only and kept it behind the doors like any respectful and profession will do ? Why did he decide to go public about it by his quotes from several weeks ago? Why did his agent decide to follow it by another set of quotes? Beside, all reliable English journalists reported we aren't intended to sell and are expecting him to stay when his first quotes emerged. Then his agent followed up by such quotes. It's easy.

Maybe he did and since the club didn't seem intent on it, maybe they decided to drop innuendos here and there and since that wasn't enough, Raoila just went clearly for it. All of that are usual tactics employed by players+agents who wanna engineers moves away from their clubs. Nothing really surprising.
However how you jump from this to Pogba hoping for the lowest possible fee makes no sense to me. Those things aren't even related for me, it's even in his best that it's a big move for his ego and status. Now it's up to the club to sell him for a huge fee. He cannot control nor influence that.

 

[acrebo]

Why didn't he ask to leave in private only and kept it behind the doors like any respectful and profession will do ? Why did he decide to go public about it by his quotes from several weeks ago? Why did his agent decide to follow it by another set of quotes? Beside, all reliable English journalists reported we aren't intended to sell and are expecting him to stay when his first quotes emerged. Then his agent followed up by such quotes. It's easy.

Because him formally asking us for a transfer usually means he waives certain ‘loyalty’ bonuses in his contract.

 

[Eleven-Eighteen]

Nothing less than $150m from Madrid should do

 

[kouroux]

Well, if reports from Spain are to be believed the club *did* tell Pogba he would not be sold

And what Pogba and Raiola have been doing since then makes sense. They wanna force this which isn't surprising considering Raiola.

 

[Oldyella]

This is laughable really.

Hardly. It's difficult to really know one way or the other what the case would be if we had made top or Jose (or LVG )had signed better players and left us in a better position.

Anyone can see there is a ton of work needed to fix state we are in now. Pogba doesn't want to hang around while that's done.

 

[el3mel]

Maybe he did and since the club didn't seem intent on it, maybe they decided to drop innuendos here and there and since that wasn't enough, Raoila just went clearly for it. All of that are usual tactics employed by players+agents who wanna engineers moves away from their clubs. Nothing really surprising.
However how you jump from this to Pogba hoping for the lowest possible fee makes no sense to me. Those things aren't even related for me, it's even in his best that it's a big move for his ego and status. Now it's up to the club to sell him for a huge fee. He cannot control nor influence that.

I think that Kouroux had answered to that already

"He can ask to leave but the club still holds all the cards this summer."

Under such circumstances Pogba has to force our hand to sell. This ain't no different to what Ibra did when he forced Juventus to sell him to Inter. Its typical Mino Raiola's way of negotiating when pushed to the corner.

It's disrespectful to the club he has a long term contract to try and force the move via public because the club want him to stay, as simple as that. Serves nothing and adds more pressure on the club while we are preparing for the next season. How can anyone be fine with that?

Regarding the second point he knew we aren't going to sell unless for a giga fee which Madrid don't seem interested to pay so he's trying to force us to sell him for a much lower price than what we are asking instead of trying to leave on good terms with the club or telling the club interested in him to bring a good offer suiting United if Madrid value him so much. It's a cnutish behavior towards the club he has a contract with whatever way anyone looks at it.

 

[devilish]

It's disrespectful to the club he has a long term contract to try and force the move via public because the club want him to stay, as simple as that. Serves nothing and adds more pressure on the club while we are preparing for the next season. How can anyone be fine with that?

Regarding the second point he knew we aren't going to sell unless for a giga fee which Madrid don't seem interested to pay so he's trying to force us to sell him for a much lower price than what we are asking instead of trying to leave on good terms with the club or telling the club interested in him to bring a good offer suiting United if Madrid value him so much. It's a cnutish behavior towards the club he has a contract with whatever way anyone looks at it.

I am not fine with that. I am just saying what's going on. The worst thing we can do under given circumstances is to let our anger get the better of us and then sell him on cheap. We need to be realistic but still firm. We might not get the 150m we want but we can certainly get 100m + a player we might like.