Counter how much of a joke it looked with a lot of his half arsed performances. Do you honestly think he's going to run through a wall for the club if forced to stay. Clubs are generally far better off allowing unhappy players to leave. Yes he's a very good player, but he's certainly not irreplaceable. If it were up to myself Dave and Lukaku would also be heading off with him to new adventures.
Pogba Future
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Counter how much of a joke it looked with a lot of his half arsed performances. Do you honestly think he's going to run through a wall for the club if forced to stay. Clubs are generally far better off allowing unhappy players to leave. Yes he's a very good player, but he's certainly not irreplaceable. If it were up to myself Dave and Lukaku would also be heading off with him to new adventures.
Oh god we truly are screwed.
then we go for pure cash. Honestly I can't see that happening. Its not as if Ceballos and Odegaard are leading Real's line week in week out. The former seems to have called quits while the latter is on loan.
You're making it sound as if I asked Raul and Casillas in their prime.
If Pogba made his wishes known for a while and our club hasn't done anything about it then it's wrong. You cannot go on into a new season like that with this much doubt concerning your most important player. The club should have sold him or came up with a big statement saying "he isn't for sale and that's that". I hate this situation that is so blurry.
In an ideal world we would sell him for 150 million minimum and use that money for 2 mids.
Odegaard is already on loan to Real Sociedad, so that won't happen. Ceballos, just like NDombele might feel that he can do better. Dybala definitely can do better than a team that isn't in the CL. Is it really that unreasonable that those players see better alternatives for their careers? They aren't fans like you and I.
Pogba is actively trying to leave.
Pogba has also underperformed in his time here.
Pogba is also becoming a bad influence in the dressing room.
Pogba doesnt fit in to what ole is trying to do
He simply has to go.
Our club and squad would be better for it.
You cannot afford to have a player involved who doesnt want to be there. Pogba has proven in his application and performances he isnt capable of putting 100% in.
Cannot wait for him to be sold.
The "give us one more year" logic is brainless in the extreme. He doesnt wanna be here! Either sell at the best price we can get or have him in the reserves and nowhere near the first team squad at all. He has no place here
Pogba has also underperformed in his time here.
Pogba is also becoming a bad influence in the dressing room.
Pogba doesnt fit in to what ole is trying to do
He simply has to go.
Our club and squad would be better for it.
You cannot afford to have a player involved who doesnt want to be there. Pogba has proven in his application and performances he isnt capable of putting 100% in.
Cannot wait for him to be sold.
The "give us one more year" logic is brainless in the extreme. He doesnt wanna be here! Either sell at the best price we can get or have him in the reserves and nowhere near the first team squad at all. He has no place here
Serious clubs can be pretty persuasive were to push their players to
And again, how would that help? It would be di Maria all over again. I mean this thread is all about players actually wanting to be at United.
Believe it or not, there are still fans who are blaming Mourinho for the Pogba situation. In fact if Pogba starts causing problems in his next club, they will still tie it to Mourinho.
And if there are no problems ?
On point.
I have mentioned this before. He and his agent go on and on disrespecting this club and people still worship him. Amazing really.
FFS Mourinho fans should relax. Just because Pogba wants out doesn't mean Jose didn't do any mistakes.
There is a reason biggest clubs in the world wants Pogba and some Chinese club wants Jose.
There is a reason biggest clubs in the world wants Pogba and some Chinese club wants Jose.
Jose shat on this club and you worshiped him.
Oh, there will be. You can bet on that. One stinker in a game is enough.
It's not. We should take every penny of his market cost and no one can match it this summer. Flaunt him to clubs like Psg too who can pay.
First of all we need to take things into context regarding ADM. The guy was an important member of LVG's team. His assists were instrumental in LVG's team to make it to top 4. Then LVG got on his nerves (like he did with most of the squad), the latter sold him and we all know how that ended.
Having said that, there's a big difference between ADM and lets say Ceballos or Dybala. The former moved because of the money. The latter will be moving to rescue their careers after 1-2 meah years at a top club. They can't afford to mess things around this time round else they can kiss their chances of ever rejoining a top club goodbye. Sure, if in 1-2 years they improve while we don't then they might cause all sort of issues to leave. However such scenario is not a problem at a supposedly ambitious top club whose aiming to return to the status of top dog.
On the one hand our best player over the past 2 seasons but this is mainly due to us having by far the worst team since I have started supporting the club 25 years ago.
On the other hand he for sure is totally overrated and I am so tired of reading his name and about this whole circus so I‘d say let’s take what we can get and send him away. His performances are not consistent enough to be worth the trouble.
I would not mind 90 mio + Isco as we need some creativity and somehow seem not be able to get Bruno or any other deal done.
On the other hand he for sure is totally overrated and I am so tired of reading his name and about this whole circus so I‘d say let’s take what we can get and send him away. His performances are not consistent enough to be worth the trouble.
I would not mind 90 mio + Isco as we need some creativity and somehow seem not be able to get Bruno or any other deal done.
No he did not shat on this club. You can keep selling that narrative. He was just brutally frank in his own way and he pissed off with Mr. Woodward who is obviously the one actually shatting on this Club. And no, I did not worship Jose. I actually agreed with the idea of firing him. I did like him. No reservations about that. Same way I like Ole at the moment.
I cannot bet on that because it's never happened before at his previous club.
Was he pissed off with Mr.Woodward when he talked shit after Sevilla game?
Okay then, let us all watch the show as it goes on.
All deflections.
Jose was never Pogba's problem. That much has become obvious except for those in denial.
Now the goal posts are moved. It's about worshiping the guy who shat on the club.
No one is deflecting anything, it was Jose boys somehow brought his name, as if Pogba leaving would change anything about Jose and his time at ManUtd.
You're right, only time will tell. I can already foresee many of the caf members being obsessed with Pogba's career at another and villify/bash him at each possible situation just like I can see many who will go "we shouldn't have sold him". I'm dreading it already.
Woodward has a big share of why we're in shambles but lets not think for a second that Mou isn't at fault here. Most of the guy's signings had turned to be shit while he stigmatised the few players that actually did something good at United (Pogba, Shaw, Smalling etc). Bailly, Mkhitaryan, Sanchez, Matic, Lukaku.....thank god we stopped him when we did else we would have had to get rid of Perisic and Arnautovic as well. You can't have a situation were the manager keeps throwing money away in a bid to sort the mess he had failed to sort again and again. No wonder not even Inter wanted him this time round.
Good post.
Players who don't want to stay at a club can become a big problem. I am all for selling such. We need players who actually want to wear the shirt and when they do so, will give their all for it.
Which is precisely why they might not consider United, given that we don't present the most stable environment from the outside. All I am saying is, it's all good, if United want those players, but there still has to be a willingness from those players to actually play for us, otherwise these players plus cash deals won't happen, as much as we might want them to.
Hahaha. One Pogba/Mourinho comment brought you guys out with the swords.
Okay then, knock yourself out, Mourinho was and is still United's problem.
Means he is being played as a 10 without any responsibilities to win back the ball of control the play and he is happy in that role.
Ole and Woodward even with the evidence of 10 games will penny pinch in the market and not invest in 3 quality midfielders to give him the license to play in the Role he likes, as we are always short of the money in the market.
Zidane's playing style will bring more out of him that's sure, as no one at this club talks or cares about playing style and players in the squad on their strengths. The situation with Sanchez is similar, every top manager understands he is a striker now but at this club he won't play as one.
There was a poll about the next manager we should hire and playing style was the reason I voted for Zidane over pochh suiting the strengths of these players in the squad.
10 games later ole and phelan was back to " what fergie used to do, and clearly we paid the price for it in the end.
Not 6 years ago..
Make a random comment and when someone questions it, follow it up with more nonsense.Bit rich talking about anyone when Jose fans can't wait to bring his name in Pogba's thread. Like I said, Madrid/Juve wants Pogba and some Chinese club wants Jose.
Personally delighted by this news, this is the radical change in direction the club needed.
Pogba is a luxury player that we cannot accommodate. His attitude is disgraceful and yet he has a huge value at this present moment.
Sell and use the money to fund replacements Atletico style... just ensure we have the replacements lined up first.
Pogba is a luxury player that we cannot accommodate. His attitude is disgraceful and yet he has a huge value at this present moment.
Sell and use the money to fund replacements Atletico style... just ensure we have the replacements lined up first.
Mourinho deserves criticism just as much as Pogba and Woodward.
I actually think Pogba will thrive in any club happy to pay him what he wants, allow him to showboat and surround him with big name players. Nothing wrong with that. It's who he is. A player of his talent will always be a star in the right environment. My issue was with the idea that Mourinho was Pogba's problem. I argued against it then and I still do so now. Jose had his own issues and had to go undoubtedly but it was unfair to pin Pogba's problems on him.
I think the exact opposite I dont think they would go public if they had a buyer, their would be no need to.
Seems like Raiola is just force something into happening becuase currently nothing is.
You're making us sound like a train wreck. We're still Manchester United mate, one of the top clubs in the world at least in terms of infrastructure, financial means and reputation. If you think we're the only clubs in the world who are in shambles then think again. Inter need to break Lukaku's fee in a 100 pieces as they can't afford buying him in full, AC Milan had been kicked out of Europe, Ancelotti had just threatened Napoli regarding the prospect of them selling Koulibaly, Arsenal are in shambles, Chelsea have a transfer ban, Pocchetino has just come out saying that he's got as much control on transfers as glaston spurs have.....sure we're not as well run as Shitty or Liverpool are. However we're not Blackburn either.
I repeat, Mourinho was not Pogba's problem. I started with that and I maintain it. I refuse to be swayed into Mourinho's Manchester United legacy. My point that started all this, was about Mourinho not being Pogba's problem. That much us obvious now.
Thing is we'll have known
about Pogbas wishes for months, and with Riola it's always likely to start getting messy, so now like usual we'll have to be reactive in the transfer market, either that or Woody will see this as an opportunity to play the big man and make him stay, both scenarios are bound to end badly.
about Pogbas wishes for months, and with Riola it's always likely to start getting messy, so now like usual we'll have to be reactive in the transfer market, either that or Woody will see this as an opportunity to play the big man and make him stay, both scenarios are bound to end badly.