I honestly can't wait for him to leave. Yes, we lose our most talented player but I think we have to get rid of the stinking attitudes before we can move forward. There's no point keeping somebody who at the best of time plays like he doesn't care. He's been a flop since he arrived - a six week period of world class form and nothing else in three seasons. Whether the Glazers reinvest the money remains to be seen but I want him gone nonetheless.
Pogba Future
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Alright, that's kind of all I needed. Au revoir Paul. Not quite sure he's as good as his marketing, but also got a rotten treatment by the British press.
Hope he goes back to Juve, though how they'd afford him and de Ligt... not sure
Hope he goes back to Juve, though how they'd afford him and de Ligt... not sure
half of his goals were penalties (among missing more including his silly run up), and less than half of his shots are on target. to me that's poor for supposed 'best in the world' midfielder
Then again, on a positive note, you'll free up 2-3 hours daily because you'll no longer have to make 25 posts defending Pogba on this very forum.
Pogba isn't our worst player but he is far from irreplaceable considering how poorly he's played a lot of the time and you and many other fans of his really view him with rose tinted glasses.
He has an incredibly poor attitude when things aren't going his way and he's extremely easy to nullify by the opponent and the only reason he's gotten as many goals and assists for us this year is because he is given the ball at every given opportunity.
Yet to see him sprint in the shirt. Get rid.
We have two options regarding Pogba:
1. Make it absolutely clear to Pogba and his fat agent that he's not going anywhere until someone comes up with an acceptable cash offer (say, £90 million), and if he wants to sulk he'll spend the remainder of his contract (3 years?) out of the first team picture and his career will be in ruins. Pogba doesn't hold any of the aces here, and he hasn't given us either the respect or the service to warrant being given an easy exit.
or
2. Get shot of him asap (and good riddance) even if it means taking a loss (a bit like West Ham with Arnautovic).
I've no doubt that option 2 would be the best for the club, but it would definitely be fun seeing a very contrite and humbled Pogba three years down the line, virtually forgotten, and grateful for any half decent side willing to take a punt on him.
Dont want Bale.. just get a lot of money, Isco would be ok or Varane. But would always want a huge cash offer as well.
At this moment in time with what's been quoted we will be lucky to recover what we have paid ! let's get this one over and done with.
I've no doubt Pogba will be a success and as a club this should be the absolute wake up call we need.
I've no doubt Pogba will be a success and as a club this should be the absolute wake up call we need.
Real Madrid and Juventus want to buy him because they have seen how shit he can be? I can't find the logic in your argument. Real and Juve want him for some reason, we know what the market is with multiple players already moving for fees over 100 million this year and neither Paul nor the interested clubs have any real leverage. If they don't meet his asking price he stays, simple as that.
In the event he does not get his move he knows full well that his only hope of getting a big move next year is to knuckle down and produce so that he guarantees he is top of everyones shopping list. If he downs tools he damages his value and more specifically it hurts his brand which is the only thing he appears to care about. He might be a big noise right now but 12 months of sulking when other players set the world on fire and he will see how fickle the social media fans are.
That's silly and highlights a nieve perspective of football. Penalties are goals. They win matches, change matches. Huge matches. This crap that a penalty is something less than a 'normal' goal is daft.
Only De Bruyne compares, and Pogba has more (one on one, headers, presence) than KDB...
If we do end up selling Pogba, I actually hope we sell to Real Madrid since they have a lot more assets in a player plus cash deal unlike Juventus.
Everyone here is assuming as a fact that if Pogba leaves its for Madrid.
I think Juventus is just as likely. If not more. They have absolutely no qualms about paying extra bonuses to agents to get their man. Real Madrid have refused to do that in the past. Raiola wants a larger cut of a transfer than most agents.
I think Juventus is just as likely. If not more. They have absolutely no qualms about paying extra bonuses to agents to get their man. Real Madrid have refused to do that in the past. Raiola wants a larger cut of a transfer than most agents.
weve had better penalty takers who were defenders. He missed a couple this season anyway so he aint even that hot at them
Has been since the moment he said he was thinking about another challenge. He's simply doing what Ramos has done to Madrid for years.
United couldnt give two shits about Raiola's motives. We'll sit Paul on the Bench for 12 months until somebody has the money to pay up.
There are games which he missed and we didn't look any worse. There were games where he played, but went missing in action for 90 minutes clearly not giving his all and not caring. Now, when you actually start to tolerate such behavior it's absolutely impossible to establish healthy culture in any organization and especially if that happens to be your best player. The man which younger players will look to set the tone and example in the dressing room. You might end up surprised in the end that missing such element can actually have it's benefits and that the team will not lose that much. After all, we are 6th with him.
Also, it is obvious that he is working on his exit for quite some time, but our price tag was too much or we demanded that he honors his contract. He reacted by not showing up to training and kick up a public fuss after so many halfhearted performances during his time here.
Yeah, I think I might take the side of the deadwood and stick by them in this particular case. Good riddance.
If anyone wants Pogba to stay after all this shit, then I seriously have no idea what’s wrong with you.
Absolute parasite and has never played for our shirt. Maybe calling Pogba himself a parasite is harsh, but as long as he’s infected by the parasite Raiola then he too is a parasite.
He can go. Let’s get £120million at least for him and rebuild our team. We may not get a better player than him (at least when he wants to perform) but we can damn sure get a few players who are a lot more effective for us than he on a more consistent level.
Absolute parasite and has never played for our shirt. Maybe calling Pogba himself a parasite is harsh, but as long as he’s infected by the parasite Raiola then he too is a parasite.
He can go. Let’s get £120million at least for him and rebuild our team. We may not get a better player than him (at least when he wants to perform) but we can damn sure get a few players who are a lot more effective for us than he on a more consistent level.
I get sucked in sometimes, but I never get this obsession people have with getting rid of players who dont really play and who are largely irrelevant (Darmian, Rojo et al). It's like expecting to become a better human because you had your appendix removed.
Removing a player who has a wanker for an agent, has been described as a virus by one manager, downed tools on another and is now agitating for a move? Thats another story.
Some people on here wanted this guy to be made captain. Fecking Captain
.Theres a good footballer in there somewhere, but we'll never get to see it. However, him and his arse of an agent disrespecting our club with his clownish behaviour and patchy form. Its a big feck no from me bud, I want him out.
Edit: Didnt see @Jim Beam 's response which was much more eloquent than mine.
We need to keep hold of him. He's the best player at the club, the face on most of the posters and one of the best players in the league. Pogba has no leverage whatsoever, he's under contract and if he decides to not show up anymore, we fine him and after a few weeks sulking he comes back. He needs to keep playing to get his fat bonuses and marketing money coming. In two years he can go for at least Hazard money. That's what i would tell him, end of story.
You still believe that. Pep's City have gotten 100 and 98 points in the last two seasons. They score an average of 4 goals per home game. Do you really think those games are tough? If you are saying for Manchester United those games are tough, then I agree with you.
As long as we get BIG money for him, and a top class replacement who fits the team better; I am all for him leaving. Sick and tired of watching this chancer stroll about the pitch like he doesn't have a care in the world. When he's on his game, he's fantastic, but he's the ultimate fair weather player. When everything is good, he's great. When the going gets tough, he's nowhere to be found. He's also never figured out the basics of the game. He can do the sublime, but he is unbelievably sloppy half the time, and moves the ball for too slowly. He'll probably do better at Madrid where the fans are more demanding. He thinks he's too big for his boots here, and consequently hangs on to the ball forever and a day.
Let's be honest, Pogba is a class A wanker, with shit bag for an agent. No-one here should be sorry to see him go, as long as we can rebuild effectively.
Let's be honest, Pogba is a class A wanker, with shit bag for an agent. No-one here should be sorry to see him go, as long as we can rebuild effectively.
Hope the club can get at least 130m or maybe 125 plus 25 in add-ons.
We seem to find ourselves being piggy in the middle a lot.
We buy Di Maria for 60 million and sell him for 45 million a year later (FFP is suddenly a thing) yet they pay the highest price possible for other players.
We now have the situation of Lukaku and Pogba trying to move on the cheap yet Felix, Coutinho and Hazard are going for the top price.
These could've been avoided as the whole world knew Di Mardarse wanted PSG even though they wouldn't cough up the money. Best to let him squeal at Madrid rather than take our chances with him.
Pogba is similar but also we have some history with the player. Back then he talked about moving to Madrid and Barca from Juve but 60 million was the figure at the time and Juve took the 90m from us. Even today Madrid as a club don't fancy him yet he's willing to still go there just like at Juve but instead of forcing a 60m move while at Juve he joins money bags United. Di Maria instead of forcing a 45 million move to PSG he joins money bags United. While Pogba was sold on a project with a top coach at the time there isn't that much difference in what you end up with.
We overspend 80 million on Lukaku who has never looked enthused about being here and dreams of Italy even though he was at Everton and on low wages.
I think a reasonable assessment would've shown these aren't the players for Manchester United.
Same thing could happen with De Ligt if old money bags is the only one to be willing to pay. We think we'll win him round but he'll be half arseing it and looking to move in 12-18 months in a cut price deal. You might think he'll be different but he's got Raiola on-board which says a lot. Pep knows not to get involved.
We seem to find ourselves being piggy in the middle a lot.
We buy Di Maria for 60 million and sell him for 45 million a year later (FFP is suddenly a thing) yet they pay the highest price possible for other players.
We now have the situation of Lukaku and Pogba trying to move on the cheap yet Felix, Coutinho and Hazard are going for the top price.
These could've been avoided as the whole world knew Di Mardarse wanted PSG even though they wouldn't cough up the money. Best to let him squeal at Madrid rather than take our chances with him.
Pogba is similar but also we have some history with the player. Back then he talked about moving to Madrid and Barca from Juve but 60 million was the figure at the time and Juve took the 90m from us. Even today Madrid as a club don't fancy him yet he's willing to still go there just like at Juve but instead of forcing a 60m move while at Juve he joins money bags United. Di Maria instead of forcing a 45 million move to PSG he joins money bags United. While Pogba was sold on a project with a top coach at the time there isn't that much difference in what you end up with.
We overspend 80 million on Lukaku who has never looked enthused about being here and dreams of Italy even though he was at Everton and on low wages.
I think a reasonable assessment would've shown these aren't the players for Manchester United.
Same thing could happen with De Ligt if old money bags is the only one to be willing to pay. We think we'll win him round but he'll be half arseing it and looking to move in 12-18 months in a cut price deal. You might think he'll be different but he's got Raiola on-board which says a lot. Pep knows not to get involved.
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Hazard won a whole lot less? Hazard is twice the player pogba is. And Pogba won the world cup because he's apart of a good team he didn't single handily do anything.
Hazard took a worst Chelsea team in years to a Europa league victory 3rd in the league and a LC Final. Along with 20 goals and 13 assist. Hazard has created more chances, completed more dribbles than pogba has. Madrid got what they got because he had one year on his contract but Hazard entire career at Chelsea is something pogba will not achieve.
People say Pogba can't do it on his own but yet Hazard did it on his own last season and won us a trophy. Pogba has hardly ever bailed out United Hazard is different he has bailed out Chelsea.
So take off the rose tinted glasses and see that pogba has no repect for United, has no loyalty and is all about getting a pay raise.
Would anyone accept £70 million cash plus Ceballos and Isco or £100 million cash plus one of those players ? I think I’d take either offer.
11 players are better than 10, some matches Pogba was passenger or worse.
TBH it wouldn't be so bad if Pogba was in the 10 slot, he could pop up with genius moments and then disappear but as a midfielder he is ineffective too often, he is Ballotelli mark two only maybe a few more brain cells, moreover last season his position on the left, but not on the wing affected the shape of the team, could blame Ole, but not sure who is at fault for that, either way, Pogba will be brilliant in a team surrounded by people to lighten his load, in a league that does not have the same demands as the PL, good luck to him.
TBH it wouldn't be so bad if Pogba was in the 10 slot, he could pop up with genius moments and then disappear but as a midfielder he is ineffective too often, he is Ballotelli mark two only maybe a few more brain cells, moreover last season his position on the left, but not on the wing affected the shape of the team, could blame Ole, but not sure who is at fault for that, either way, Pogba will be brilliant in a team surrounded by people to lighten his load, in a league that does not have the same demands as the PL, good luck to him.
All I can say is how clueless, out of his depth, and indecisive is our manager. He should have taken control of the situation and commanded the respect to know that Pogba wanted to leave so that the issue could be handled without the club looking stupid and going into a rebuild having lost Herrera, Pogba, Fellaini ( good call on paper but whose replaced him?) will Fernandes (if we get him) and Longstaff (if we get him) make our CM stronger then when Ole took over?
Yeah....It's chicken and egg isn't it ?
If Pogba was as good as he claims and some on here believe, maybe they wouldn't be as tough.
But while Pogba's arsing around to his own agenda, then they're tougher than they should be.
Wondering why Citeh can do what they do and we can't is being disrespectful to Citeh - pissies me to say it, but 101% true - because evert time I watch them, they do everything I want our guys to do, but either our lot are not coached correctly or are simply pretty rubbish. Probably the latter.
Only if they want to come - Redshaw is right, we've seen what happens when players who didn't want come to OT end up here and it usually ends in tears.
Disagree they have signed 2 midfielders this summer on massive wages can’t see them doing a third.
Also Madrid have spent what 200+ million doesn’t seem likly they are gonna bid either.
Think this summer Pogba stays theirs no where for him to go.
Would anybody take £90m and Modric? I would.
6 years ago yes..
I wasn't knocking Hazard although objectively Pogba has won more honors than him and is a World Cup winner. I am simply pointing out that Chelsea had a lot less leverage than we do and still got a price over 100 million and so it is preposterous to say Pogba should go for 60-75 million. I see you think Hazard did it all on his own last season so presumably you are expecting relegation this season? Think you might be the one with defective lenses.
Need to rid this cancer out of the club. To turn the corner we need to get rid of the overrated lazy poser
He's just the kind of player who can play til he's nearly 40 and look good doing it. He'll just move backwards.
He's not going to agitate for a move, he's a solid pro, has loads of experience, speaks english and marshalls players on the pitch. From his POV, Pogba would be replacing him and he might fancy a change.
He'd become our best player immediately. Plus Madrid are stupid and this is the kind of dumb stuff they do. Remember when they practically gave Chelsea Makalele or when Milan let Pirlo go to Juve.
Agree with every observation.
Would be very wary, Real Madrid fans opinion of his last season is somewhat on a par with what we think of Matic last season. He is 33 and coming off the worst season if his career, not a lot of reason to be optimistic he can come back.
I don't want any Real players. I don't want any more issues with attitude, players coming for the payday etc. Stick to building with players that want to be here and get rid of those that don't ie Pogba, Lukaku and maybe Sanchez if he's one.
This league will tear him apart, his next move is Italy.
Wouldnt call seeing near 48 % involvement of all chelsea goals last season defective lenses.
But Raiola has just said he is trying to fix a deal. they wouldn't go public like this unless there were willing clubs, (who of course want to lower the price)
Cleanse the club of his crap! Talent or no talent, do any of you pogba worshippers genuinely want him and his turd-like attitude around the young players we are pinning our hopes on.
Bad apple, so so performer, centre of his universe and the creator of the worst penalty run up in the history of the game.
Sell him and pack his bags for him. #Pogoff
Bad apple, so so performer, centre of his universe and the creator of the worst penalty run up in the history of the game.
Sell him and pack his bags for him. #Pogoff
Mourinho couldn’t control Pogba!
If Pogba tells Ole, at the end of the season, he wants to stay, Ole will take that in good faith. If his greedy agent then gets in his ear, and convinces him he can get him a move, doesn’t that change things?