Pochettino | Agrees to be US National Team Coach

Feel like I'm missing something here, Poch was banned from the touchline this match. How much influence does he actually have?

Unsurprising performance though. When we face teams who play like relegation candidates its like we lose all ability to do anything. Giving needless freekicks away time after time on the halfway line with how dangerous they are from set pieces isn't the smartest. Extremely immature performance.
 
Ludens the Red said:
I mean we’re gonna get beat by a similar score line at Newcastle next week but it is kinda funny how confident pundits were that chelsea had turned a corner and would win this. A notoriously very difficult place to go.
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Even title winning Chelsea teams have struggled to get any points away at Newcastle. They beat us regularly. It’s literally been our toughest away game the last 10-12 years. No idea why anyone would be confident of us winning there. It had draw or narrow loss written all over it.
 
1905 said:
Feel like I'm missing something here, Poch was banned from the touchline this match. How much influence does he actually have?

Unsurprising performance though. When we face teams who play like relegation candidates its like we lose all ability to do anything. Giving needless freekicks away time after time on the halfway line with how dangerous they are from set pieces isn't the smartest. Extremely immature performance.
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I don’t think Newcastle parked the bus. They were on top for long periods in the first half and the second half was just a scrappy midfield dogfight until we conceded two goals in 20 seconds.
 
erikcred said:
People found a 4-4 match against the treble winners exciting and appreciated Chelsea's willingness to go toe to toe with them. For the grand total of one match.

Didn't see any Utd fans "wishing we were in Chelsea's position".
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Yeah, appreciation

Wheato said:
This Chelsea side is better than us, on current form.

They have City rattled here.
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RedStarUnited said:
Its unbelievable that Chelsea are below us in the league. They are a much much better footballing team compares to us.
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Beachryan said:
Are we allowed to say how much better at football both of these teams are than us?

Great quality out there.
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TrailMonkey said:
Yeah, I've watched a bit of Chelsea lately and they're very impressive and watchable in the middle of the park. Lots of movement and creativity, but no one to finish anything. Had Nkunku avoided injury, I reckon they'd be top 4 right now.

Mudryk obvs hasn't yet settled, but most of their players are hungry for the ball and look to progress play. So much better than us, and so weird that we're somehow above them.
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RedStarUnited said:
No they havent. If you actually watch their games they control matches and create chances. We haven't controlled a single league game so far.

Results not showing the football they play.
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SAFMUTD said:
They're clearly playing way better than us.
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CloneMC16 said:
Based on the few times I've watched them this season, they play much better than us. Our football is awful. We've been winning games 1-0 or 2-1 in a very unconvincing fashion.
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If you’re going to jump in at me lad at least read the thread I linked. That was a page and a half
 
WeePat said:
I don’t think Newcastle parked the bus. They were on top for long periods in the first half and the second half was just a scrappy midfield dogfight until we conceded two goals in 20 seconds.
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I didn't mean that they parked the bus, just that they play in a way that isn't typical of a team that's near the top. The first half consisted of them trying to get Tripper free to cross almost every attack and winning freekicks anywhere on the pitch to launch it in the box. Its very similar to what West Ham do and it works for them, very often we are terrible against such teams.
 
WeePat said:
Even title winning Chelsea teams have struggled to get any points away at Newcastle. They beat us regularly. It’s literally been our toughest away game the last 10-12 years. No idea why anyone would be confident of us winning there. It had draw or narrow loss written all over it.
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Yeah that’s why I found it quite odd. The surprise would have been you winning. Maybe people thought they still had the mad injury crisis.

cyberman said:
Yeah, appreciation








If you’re going to jump in at me lad at least read the thread I linked. That was a page and a half
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To be fair, nobody actually says they’d rather be 12th than where we are … they were all just stating the obvious. Chelsea do play better football than us. Though you’d have to be some kind of moron to prefer to be that lower down the table.
 
rimaldo said:
oh look, another fuching idiot. anyone who knows football properly (understands xg) can see that chelsea are playing the best football in the history of the premier league. they just can’t finish their chances or something.
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Ludens the Red said:
I mean we’re gonna get beat by a similar score line at Newcastle next week but it is kinda funny how confident pundits were that chelsea had turned a corner and would win this. A notoriously very difficult place to go.
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Yeah, but the difference is, we’re fully aware United are a mediocre, flawed side. Chelsea have been dubbed the xG emperors of the universe and a drastic turnaround in form is an inevitability with Pochettino sure to assert himself as one of the best managers currently on the scene.

In reality, Chelsea have just as much chance of continuing to drop points and Poch going the way of Potter and Tuchel, as they have of returning to the top of the domestic and European tables.
 
1905 said:
I didn't mean that they parked the bus, just that they play in a way that isn't typical of a team that's near the top. The first half consisted of them trying to get Tripper free to cross almost every attack and winning freekicks anywhere on the pitch to launch it in the box. Its very similar to what West Ham do and it works for them, very often we are terrible against such teams.
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No one closed down any crosses today. It's a simple fix for Chelsea but I'm not seeing any progression in terms of basic defending. Worrying for them.
 
cyberman said:
Yeah, appreciation








If you’re going to jump in at me lad at least read the thread I linked. That was a page and a half
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I remember posters using their xga to claim their better than United. I've watched them plenty enough to know their athleticism will create them lots of half chances but their lack of creativity will be their undoing. Swap Gallagher for a creative midfielder and they would probably get better results.
 
1905 said:
Feel like I'm missing something here, Poch was :wenger:banned from the touchline this match. How much influence does he actually have?

Unsurprising performance though. When we face teams who play like relegation candidates its like we lose all ability to do anything. Giving needless freekicks away time after time on the halfway line with how dangerous they are from set pieces isn't the smartest. Extremely immature performance.
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Most delusional post of the year
 
The lesson is you can't just change your entire team in a season and then expect top 4.

Even if you spend a billion, without sorting the forward line out properly.

We'll probably improve but it'll take a couple more seasons. Nkunku fit will also make a different difference.
 
Gringo said:
No one closed down any crosses today. It's a simple fix for Chelsea but I'm not seeing any progression in terms of basic defending. Worrying for them.
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Not a good recipe for success when you struggle to stop the crosses, lose the initial duels, and are all at sea if there's any variation from the set pieces. The 2nd goal and the Akanji goal a few weeks ago are basically the same. Non existent marking.
 
cyberman said:
If you’re going to jump in at me lad at least read the thread I linked. That was a page and a half
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We all rave about Brighton's football. Doesn't mean we want to be "in Brighton's position". So yes, it's just appreciation.

Chelsea's lows are comically low at the moment, but I can understand Utd fans looking at the occasional good performance and worrying that on their day they can actually compete with the big boys, especially with a new striker returning from a long injury layoff.
 
Mb194dc said:
The lesson is you can't just change your entire team in a season and then expect top 4.

Even if you spend a billion, without sorting the forward line out properly.

We'll probably improve but it'll take a couple more seasons. Nkunku fit will also make a different difference.
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Not sure that’s the lesson…
 
Mb194dc said:
The lesson is you can't just change your entire team in a season and then expect top 4.

Even if you spend a billion, without sorting the forward line out properly.

We'll probably improve but it'll take a couple more seasons. Nkunku fit will also make a different difference.
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What's the motivation for all these players on 8-9 year deals if you're not making europe even end of next season? Or at best it's Europa conference league?

I think this is where the Boehly business plan starts to fall down a bit as then you're dealing with human emotion as let's remember many of these players signed are actually on lower basic salaries than what they'd be getting at Arsenal or Liverpool. I presume they'd get bonuses if they make CL but that's not happening anytime soon.

Not sure what penalty clauses are in the sponsorship deals either but we know Man. United lose 10-15m if they don't make CL this season so I presume it's similar with Chelsea and that will impact on future FFP years.

Ultimately Chelsea can't be spending 200-300m every single transfer window just to finish 7th or 8th. The current top teams are remodelling their starting line ups well so going to be a big challenge next season aswell.
 
MackRobinson said:
I remember posters using their xga to claim their better than United. I've watched them plenty enough to know their athleticism will create them lots of half chances but their lack of creativity will be their undoing. Swap Gallagher for a creative midfielder and they would probably get better results.
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Let's make a deal again, Mount for Gallagher
 
A key point about underlying stats is that while they're a better predictor of future results than past results are, and while you can sometimes use them to argue a team will eventually revert to the mean, even if that's going to happen there's never any guarantee it will happen over the course of a given season. Let alone in time to save a season from going south.

As is Chelsea could be 8 points behind us by the end of tomorrow. That would be a pretty big gap even at this stage of the season.
 
cyberman said:
Yeah, appreciation

If you’re going to jump in at me lad at least read the thread I linked. That was a page and a half
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Today doesnt change anything I or many of us said. They have played better football than us all season. I mean Newcastle beat us 3-0 at home not long ago.

In 2015/2016, Peps Man City finished on the same points as that LVG team. But you can tell they were going places but didnt have the right personel yet.

Giving everything thats gone wrong with us, its hysterical that we could be 4/5 points behind City and Liverpool by the end of tomorrow
 
RedStarUnited said:
Today doesnt change anything I or many of us said. They have played better football than us all season. I mean Newcastle beat us 3-0 at home not long ago.

In 2015/2016, Peps Man City finished on the same points as that LVG team. But you can tell they were going places but didnt have the right personel yet.

Giving everything thats gone wrong with us, its hysterical that we could be 4/5 points behind City and Liverpool by the end of tomorrow
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So he just needs to spend another 300 mil
 
RedStarUnited said:
Today doesnt change anything I or many of us said. They have played better football than us all season. I mean Newcastle beat us 3-0 at home not long ago.

In 2015/2016, Peps Man City finished on the same points as that LVG team. But you can tell they were going places but didnt have the right personel yet.

Giving everything thats gone wrong with us, its hysterical that we could be 4/5 points behind City and Liverpool by the end of tomorrow
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They dont play better football, they only play ok from deep until 25 yards from goal while failing to get their top players in goals scoring positions and concede chance upon chance upon chance to any standard of team they play against.
It’s a shit way to play football but they do play it well. Apparently they’re big game raisers who only struggle v parked buses who never win a big game. It must be complicated
 
RedStarUnited said:
In 2015/2016, Peps Man City finished on the same points as that LVG team. But you can tell they were going places but didnt have the right personel yet.
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It was Pellegrini's last season, not Pep. Are you thinking of Klopp's half season starting from January 2016?
 
cyberman said:
They dont play better football, they only play ok from deep until 25 yards from goal while failing to get their top players in goals scoring positions and concede chance upon chance upon chance to any standard of team they play against.
It’s a shit way to play football but they do play it well. Apparently they’re big game raisers who only struggle v parked buses who never win a big game. It must be complicated
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its widely accepted that Jackson has been a nightmare in front of goal. So what you are saying cant be true.

I personally have seen them control a lot of games so im not sure where this chance after chance thing came from. Have you seen us play this season?
 
RedStarUnited said:
Maybe? Pep ddnt stand and still and wait for Sagna and the likes to improve. By the way, even in his season Pep finished 3rd.

Chelsea has an expensive but badly assembled squad.
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I'm not really sure the pep comparison holds any water as City were not that bad in his first season while Chelsea look awful. Pep had a much better track record as well.
 
berbatrick said:
It was Pellegrini's last season, not Pep. Are you thinking of Klopp's half season starting from January 2016?
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Ah yes you are right. It was Pallegrini. Pep and Jose came at the same time.

I really thought I remembered Leicester beating a Pep managed team.
 
Mad how they can put in a master class against city but then get leathered of Newcastle.
 
RedStarUnited said:
its widely accepted that Jackson has been a nightmare in front of goal. So what you are saying cant be true.

I personally have seen them control a lot of games so im not sure where this chance after chance thing came from. Have you seen us play this season?
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So you think he’s one of their top players? What kind of point is that to make?
They don’t control games, teams sit back and allow them the ball because they won’t do much with it and if they do they’ll concede twice the amount of clear chances than they’ll create. Poch literally came out and said this, they struggle to break down low blocks. Shock, horror they end up playing v low blocks 90 percent of the time.
Thats not control, its the opposition controlling where and how they play
 
I didn’t expect Poch to achieve anything of note there (I believe top 4 is his ceiling) but he’s doing a fair bit worse than I thought he would
 
They've shown positive signs but you still need results in the end.

They'll likely be around 27 points midway through the schedule and that's really just not good enough.

Potter had 27 points from his first 20 matches and that was without having a summer to prepare for the season. Poch's side looks worlds better than Potter's but if the results are that close it tells you something.
 
Chelsea have such a piss poor squad despite their spending.
 
They've shown promising signs in some games like vs Arsenal, City etc. Think within a few months Chelsea's results will improve.
 
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