It’s not even a wum, it’s just a bit of a sad guy who has found a way to get attention.should have been banned ages ago its an obvious wum
It’s not even a wum, it’s just a bit of a sad guy who has found a way to get attention.should have been banned ages ago its an obvious wum
Funny how that's been said about City, Arsenal and Spurs when they've played us this season. If only there were a common denominator to explain why that happened...
We've had no problems showing up against the top teams and playing some good football in those games. It's mostly just the low-block park-the-bus teams that are causing us big problems in attack but on multiple occasions we've looked very competent in the big games.
It’s not even a wum, it’s just a bit of a sad guy who has found a way to get attention.
Your post even this one implied that Poch has a great end game same as Klopp that we can play the long waiting game, ad reap the result. In the reality, Poch is not Klopp. He himself is the one who try to lower the expectation even those, his teams are in favor position and expected to win trophies to show for their work. He missed canches and waste prime years of players, and back into rebuild. The same thing as what you described here: not actually compete for anything.not sure what I said that prompted this response. Just agreed with a post that anyone with eyes can see is the truth.
It’s also not lowering expectation: it’s seeing the bigger picture. Winning trophies over a sustained period isn’t possible when you’ve not got the fundamentals right. You don’t actually compete for anything significant. And a few lucky draws could end with you winning a cup and then immediately falling off a cliff.
And I’m sorry but not having this ‘excusing the crap football on a lack of a smooth transition from one manager to a next or needing 20 transfer windows’.
How many times do United fans want to use this excuse despite seeing so many example of other clubs and new managers having near instant impact. Villa went from being absolutely nothing to what they are under Emery. Spurs went from three managers playing low block/low risk defensive football to hiring Ange and immediately playing a high transition, high press and high risk game.
Why is it only at Man United a manager can’t implement a style ? Why is it always a man United he needs 17 transfer windows and a good manager before him to do it? Maybe just maybe we just keep hiring the wrong managers….
Don't want to get into any comparisons but I'd take United struggling in the table if it meant guaranteed entertaining and attacking football. Chelsea may be starting to get that with Poch?
Hence the reason why despite those good performances, your still mid table, because 2/3 of the league is made up of them.
But I believe you are too good / rich to not solve that issue down the line. You’ll be a big danger in the next couple of seasons.
Too many good/excellent raw materials for a semi decent manager to fail with.Yeah, that's definitely played a huge part in our league position though based on the actual performances I'd still say we've been a bit unlucky not to have at least 5 points more at this point.
But yeah overall I'm not too worried. It's still a relatively new team playing under a manager who's not had the time to fully make his mark yet so a bit of inconsistent form is to be expected. The lads just need time to gel and develop together but I think eventually we'll come good. Might even be as early as next season but that remains to be seen.
Is this another dig at Sir Jim?I don’t think nice ever seen anyone try and spin their 1b transfer shit show as some kind of vision journey when they’ve had 4 managers in two season while sacking their back room staff, hiring more and then sacking most of them.
It’s like people talk in cliches here or simply make stuff up
Chelsea have ‘schooled’ Liverpool 1-1, Arsenal 2-2, and City 4-4. Granted they beat Spurs but they’re hardly a ‘top team’ even if their manager is hipster flavour of the month.
Is that the Thomas “we smashed them 1-0 in the first half” Frank school of delusion?
What am I missing?
They're starting to look really good under him. The underlying stats show that they are performing well and should be near the top if they were a bit sharper and luckier. Results will follow. Top coach, wish we'd gone for him.
Easy to say now they’re doing well… where was these comments at the start of the season? Also look where they are in the league and look where we are…They're starting to look really good under him. The underlying stats show that they are performing well and should be near the top if they were a bit sharper and luckier. Results will follow. Top coach, wish we'd gone for him.
Their underlying stats on game to game basis show them just marginally edging teams in some of the games , only game which they can have genuine grievance of losing points is against Forest . When most of your games are so close its not a surprise you end up dropping points .They're starting to look really good under him. The underlying stats show that they are performing well and should be near the top if they were a bit sharper and luckier. Results will follow. Top coach, wish we'd gone for him.
If we're going that deep, the stats suggest they could have easily beaten Liverpool and Arsenal, could have had a point at West Ham, should have beaten Forest, and should have had a point against Villa. That's nine points, which would put them near the top. In fact the result hasn't swung their way once in even games, which is very unusual and statistically unlike to continue much longer.Their underlying stats on game to game basis show them just marginally edging teams in some of the games , only game where they can have genuine grievance of losing points is against Forest . When your most games are so close its not a surprise you end up dropping points .
Their underlying stats on game to game basis show them just marginally edging teams in some of the games , only game which they can have genuine grievance of losing points is against Forest . When most of your games are so close its not a surprise you end up dropping points .
If we're going that deep, the stats suggest they could have easily beaten Liverpool and Arsenal, could have had a point at West Ham, should have beaten Forest, could have had a point against Villa. That's nine points, which would put them near the top. In fact the result hasn't swung their way once in even games, which is very unusual and statistically unlike to continue much longer.
Compare that to our stats, which show (as does the eye test) that we're very lucky to have the points that we have, and it's evident that Chelsea have been playing better than their position in the table might have you believe. Which was all I said.
i just can’t get into the headspace of a guy like that.
Because I'm a United fan, we're on a United forum, and I generally view football through the context of United.Why the hell you are even bringing United when the Quoted post was just about Chelsea and my point was fairly simple when your performances over your rivals in terms of even underlying stats is quite close chances are you would end dropping lot of points unless You are quite lucky like United were last season .
Their underlying stats on game to game basis show them just marginally edging teams in some of the games , only game which they can have genuine grievance of losing points is against Forest . When most of your games are so close its not a surprise you end up dropping points .
Yep, these so called big game raisers only have one win against a top side and they needed to be against 9 men to do so.Their underlying stats on game to game basis show them just marginally edging teams in some of the games , only game which they can have genuine grievance of losing points is against Forest . When most of your games are so close its not a surprise you end up dropping points .
Why the hell you are even bringing United when the Quoted post was just about Chelsea and my point was fairly simple when your performances over your rivals in terms of even underlying stats is quite close chances are you would end dropping lot of points unless You are quite lucky like United were last season .
So to sum it up Chelsea are likely to improve going forward but they aren't suddenly gonna morph into top team any time soon this season unless they start being substantially better against teams outside top teams not just being marginally better otherwise the results you wrongly assume can't continue to happen would continue to happen .
On the other side of the coin every time some other manager is doing good, even slightly good its used by some posters as a stick to beat ETH with.To be fair it's pretty good results given the circumstances and drastic changes in the team and the manager. They were 100% losing those fixtures last season. Playing well is the only foundation to consistency it's how they build from this but only Klopp and Pep have had a better run-in at competitive clubs in the league compared to Poch. His opening three / four seasons at Spurs has also eclipsed any United manager post SAF.
Not relative to you or the post but there is a bitterness on the forums when it comes to other managers having breakout seasons for some strange reason. Many hoping for the demise of Ange for example and the same was said in parts with Arteta last season before Arsenal seemingly couldn't stop winning games. Just because another manager does well at another club it doesn't undermine the clubs (United) current manager. It's perfectly plausible to rate other managers while proceeding with our own.
The hyperbole around him and this Chelsea team is astounding given that they’ve done very little of note. I knew their form wasn’t actually that impressive but no idea it’s only the one win in five!
That or stay silent. Not even a decent WUM anymore..Waiting for @Amadaeus to remind us how unlucky they've been as opposed to admitting they just aren't very good.
Nailed on to beat us in a week and a half
1 win in 5 v 9 men and that’s the run he and Chelsea were being praised for!
Where’s the posters wishing we were in Chelsea’s position now?
This was fairly even game. Losing 4-1 is wild in a game like this.