Lash
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At least he won on xg again.
Many are seeing it. When luck start going his way and their board get the recruitment right, people will see how he is >= pep and klopp.
Unfortunate in the league so far, but so far he has outplayed all the team he has played so far this season and the only team to have won xg every game. United definitely missed out by not getting him, but hopefully we get the next appointment right.
At least he won on xg again.
Everyone also said that about PotterEveryone makes fun of this, but I remember years ago when people were making fun of Klopp and Liverpool “maybe they can have an xG trophy made for them !”
If you keep playing better than the other teams and also keep improving … it eventually shines through.
Everyone makes fun of this, but I remember years ago when people were making fun of Klopp and Liverpool “maybe they can have an xG trophy made for them !”
If you keep playing better than the other teams and also keep improving … it eventually shines through.
Mate Unless there is a significant difference between Xg of two teams and your team is regularly hitting Xg of 2 regularly while keeping opponents down to 1.25 or less on regular basis game would more often than not could go either way So while you can definitely be hopeful of better results going forward but you aren't turning into Liverpool any time soon .Everyone makes fun of this, but I remember years ago when people were making fun of Klopp and Liverpool “maybe they can have an xG trophy made for them !”
If you keep playing better than the other teams and also keep improving … it eventually shines through.
We didn’t perform super well statistically under potter. Our xG was better than our goal output, but in other key areas we were really bad.Everyone also said that about Potter
We didn’t perform super well statistically under potter. Our xG was better than our goal output, but in other key areas we were really bad.
Potter was a dumb hire, but not because the things Potter does don’t have merit… but because you have an entirely new team that barely knows each other. Potters system is so unnecessarily complicated that it can take a year of training and watching for even good players to know where they are supposed to be at any given time. Asking a very young, mostly new team to pick it up quickly … no.
IF you had really planned to give him a few years, maybe.
There were more than a few times last year where Cucurella took heat for being way out of position, but the truth is he was the only one who knew where he was supposed to go, others didn’t and hung him out to dry.
If Someone hires Potter they need to realize they are building toward a regular core that plays a VERY unique style, and you can’t afford to have more that 2 or 3 additions each year learning.
We are doing something like that though. We have some of the best defensive stats in the league and our xG differential is substantial. That’s why when the computer came out and said, based purely on stat analysis of games , Chelsea should be 3rd or 4 th, it started this whole silly speculation.Mate Unless there is a significant difference between Xg of two teams and your team is regularly hitting Xg of 2 regularly while keeping opponents down to 1.25 or less on regular basis game would more often than not could go either way So while you can definitely be hopeful of better results going forward but you aren't turning into Liverpool any time soon .
Many are seeing it. When luck start going his way and their board get the recruitment right, people will see how he is >= pep and klopp.
Unfortunate in the league so far, but so far he has outplayed all the team he has played so far this season and the only team to have won xg every game. United definitely missed out by not getting him, but hopefully we get the next appointment right.
It is correct though.that’s an astonishing take
I actually looked up your xg stats from Under Stat with game by game breakdown only Game where you can feel hard done by was Against Forest otherwise in most of the games where you have dropped points you weren't significantly superior to your opposition so results doesn't surprise me at all it would continue to happen unless you improve further .We are doing something like that though. We have some of the best defensive stats in the league and our xG differential is substantial. That’s why when the computer came out and said, based purely on stat analysis of games , Chelsea should be 3rd or 4 th, it started this whole silly speculation.
From the site I’m looking at we have an xG of 1.8 per game, and an Oppo xG of .97 …. So essentially exactly the gap you’re describing is needing.
Until we do something with it its pointless, but it is validation of what the people that watch every game have been stating: we are playing very well and building on something, and that’s with 4 or 5 key players (including our best offensive player) set to return soon for the first time this season.
I was actually referring to him at Brighton, where Potter was underperforming his xG and a reason why you probably went for him.We didn’t perform super well statistically under potter. Our xG was better than our goal output, but in other key areas we were really bad.
Potter was a dumb hire, but not because the things Potter does don’t have merit… but because you have an entirely new team that barely knows each other. Potters system is so unnecessarily complicated that it can take a year of training and watching for even good players to know where they are supposed to be at any given time. Asking a very young, mostly new team to pick it up quickly … no.
IF you had really planned to give him a few years, maybe.
There were more than a few times last year where Cucurella took heat for being way out of position, but the truth is he was the only one who knew where he was supposed to go, others didn’t and hung him out to dry.
If Someone hires Potter they need to realize they are building toward a regular core that plays a VERY unique style, and you can’t afford to have more that 2 or 3 additions each year learning.
Ohhh I have tons of caution. Not the least of which is making sure we do a full review of our medical and training staff. That’s why I said until it ends up in results it doesn’t amount to much. It has to translate to make any difference.I actually looked up your xg stats from Under Stat with game by game breakdown only Game where you can feel hard done by was Against Forest otherwise in most of the games where you have dropped points you weren't significantly superior to your opposition so results doesn't surprise me at all it would continue to happen unless you improve further .
But the thing is sample size is fairly small at the moment and you haven't even figured out what should be your best eleven and then the injuries , while there is plenty to look forward to an element of caution is still warranted .
That's such a bs statement but then again I am not surprised as for some grass is always greener on the other side.Chelsea are still a work in progress but it does seem like they already have more of a clear style of play than we ever have had under eth.
Really laughable how so many of here were keen to trash poch as a manager when he was being talked about as United manager.
Not even saying he is a top manager but the idea eth was proven to be much better was a massive stretch.
I am not saying either manager was necessarily the right person but just find it laughable how so many on here felt the need to make out ten hag was so clearly better suited to the United job than poch.That's such a bs statement but then again I am not surprised as for some grass is always greener on the other side.
It is correct though.
Example: on one of the goals we gave up last year he had slid to the middle to cover a role in midfield, which under Potters system IS what he should have done given where the opposing team had the ball. The left wing slides back and down and the central of the back 3 slides over . The space was left completely open the ball gets played through that gap.
But Cucurella was where Potter would have wanted him.
The fans and pundits were all going “doesn’t that moron know he’s the left sided CB? Maybe he needs to cut his hair to see!”
This was around the time the article came out where Cucurella tried explaining how he had to sit for a majority of a year at Brighton before he picked up the system well enough to play. I think he was politely trying to defend himself.
We have been piss poor this season and had your post said chelsea this season have looked better than us, I won't have responded to your post but to say we never had any style under eth is plain wrong. We played some sublime football last season from WC to the carabao win. We dominated teams and looked comfortable with the ball.I am not saying either manager was necessarily the right person but just find it laughable how so many on here felt the need to make out ten hag was so clearly better suited to the United job than poch.
Also not saying Chelsea have a particularly refined style of play as yet but I don't see that we have any style of play
No, I’m implying Cucurella was doing exactly what Potter wanted, and literally everyone else was confused and reverted back to playing the way they were used to, leaving gaps.it’s not correct. If one player is doing their own thing and it’s not working, it’s HIS fault and his alone.
No, I’m implying Cucurella was doing exactly what Potter wanted, and literally everyone else was confused and reverted back to playing the way they were used to, leaving gaps.
That was my biggest critique of Potter last year was that he only mildly stood up for Cucurella, and that essentially amounted to not backing him. And he didn’t adapt. The smart play would have been to try to implement elements of what he wanted slowly, while using a lot of what people had a comfort level with.
His alternative choices were to: A: throw the rest of the team under the bus, or B: admit he simply couldn’t coach well enough to get his super complicated system across to players fast enough.
I blame the owners on this one though, because in a project where you plan on having young players continually coming through and challenging for positions … a system that takes two years to pick up is not a good choice.
No, that’s a completely different issue…. Mostly.cucurella was VERY poor in possession though, tactics aren’t responsible for that.
Many are seeing it. When luck start going his way and their board get the recruitment right, people will see how he is >= pep and klopp.
Unfortunate in the league so far, but so far he has outplayed all the team he has played so far this season and the only team to have won xg every game. United definitely missed out by not getting him, but hopefully we get the next appointment right.
Many are seeing it. When luck start going his way and their board get the recruitment right, people will see how he is >= pep and klopp.
Unfortunate in the league so far, but so far he has outplayed all the team he has played so far this season and the only team to have won xg every game. United definitely missed out by not getting him, but hopefully we get the next appointment right.
It's not Poch influence alone on their style of play. They have been building the foundation for this style with Tuchel, Potter for past few seasons. Poch at PSG showed that politic can get in the way of manager implement his style of play. It's not simple that a manager can just transform a team over night. Currently Chelsea is still below us and they don't have to play in European competition. Let's wait and see if Chelsea bosses would be happy with performance and not result for the two seasons running after spending insane amount in short amount of time.Chelsea are still a work in progress but it does seem like they already have more of a clear style of play than we ever have had under eth.
Really laughable how so many of here were keen to trash poch as a manager when he was being talked about as United manager.
Not even saying he is a top manager but the idea eth was proven to be much better was a massive stretch.
What kind of debate though? He would be a better manager for us than ETH, taking over from last season?I wouldn't take him at United but I think he's winning the debate between him and ETH.
Is he? Don't think there's anything between them right now to be honest.I wouldn't take him at United but I think he's winning the debate between him and ETH.
I wouldn't take him at United but I think he's winning the debate between him and ETH.
You won't see many teams with a refined style of play who have only one fit full back to choose from and have both of their first choice centre backs missing.I am not saying either manager was necessarily the right person but just find it laughable how so many on here felt the need to make out ten hag was so clearly better suited to the United job than poch.
Also not saying Chelsea have a particularly refined style of play as yet but I don't see that we have any style of play
I wouldn't take him at United but I think he's winning the debate between him and ETH.
Agreed. I avoid it because of him.The discourse around Poch in this thread would be much more interesting if everyone just left this one poster to his devices. It’s literally the most boring thread in the entire forum.
Chelsea are still a work in progress but it does seem like they already have more of a clear style of play than we ever have had under eth.
Really laughable how so many of here were keen to trash poch as a manager when he was being talked about as United manager.
Not even saying he is a top manager but the idea eth was proven to be much better was a massive stretch.
Based on what?