I give up….this club needs a reset.
Pierre-Emile Højbjerg
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So he's not good in the role we're potentially buying him for ?Reading a Spurs forum, quite a few people think he'd be a better 8 than 6 and he suffered as a lone man 6, so that's definitely a theme
Great job, United. Great job.
That's the rub though. I think Spurs expect 30m£. That'd be a little too rich for a depth signing if we paid that.
Guess he is their McT in many ways !
When you let the manager purchase his questionable ex players, what do you expect. Manager is the king at OT. All our eggs are in this basket, if he fails, we start from scratch with the next one and give him all the power again. We need to modernise, and not treat every manager like he is the second coming of Fergie.
We're basically making AC Milan signings this summer. Not bad but nothing that takes us up a level.
With how desperate we are for DM cover, it would be crazy to not want Hojberg but this wouldn't have been an acceptable transfer at the beginning of the window.
With how desperate we are for DM cover, it would be crazy to not want Hojberg but this wouldn't have been an acceptable transfer at the beginning of the window.
False. Mount had made his mind up to leave and was on final year of contract. Chelsea also had to sell. It just aligned for us and it was well reported that Poch wanted to keep him.
Liverpool were also keen on him, so he was effectively rated highly by Poch, Klopp, Ten Hag and Tuchel.
Hojbjerg is better in a deeper role than McTominay. I agree he has his frailties of course but right now we literally have no cover for Casemiro.
I would like someone more mobile, but someone half decent is better than nobody at this point. He is not a bad player and seems to have a good attitude in terms of workrate. If it's on the cheap, we could do worse.
I haven't really watched Spurs play for the last two seasons and his stock seems to have dropped a fair bit in that time, so I'm not sure if his form has dropped. But back then I'd have said he's a similar level player as Fred (and therefore comfortably better than Scott), just more comfortable playing it out from the back but not as effective higher up the pitch or winning the ball back. In a technical sense I think he's better defensively than Scott so would be a better back-up to Casemiro while also being a better partner, but his lack of physicality (especially in a team that is already struggling with that) could see him actually being a worse back-up.
So...yeah. I think he'd definitely be better next to Casemiro than Scott if we wanted to be more solid than we are with Mount or Eriksen in that spot, but I'm really not sure if he'd be any better as the DM himself.
So...yeah. I think he'd definitely be better next to Casemiro than Scott if we wanted to be more solid than we are with Mount or Eriksen in that spot, but I'm really not sure if he'd be any better as the DM himself.
Højbjerg has always looked a decent player whenever I’ve watched him, I just don’t like the idea of buying Spurs' rejects (cos they’ve now got better players) when we used to buy their best players.
It isn’t decent business on his wages when in two years time we’ll want him gone. We should be building a midfield that can compete with City - how does Hojberg help achieve that? It’s the exact same argument against signing Sabitzer. Everyone thinks cheap = good signing. It’s truly bizarre.
If he cost that much, sure. We'd be getting cover for Casemiro at least and while I maintain that they shouldn't (and in reality mostly wouldn't) play together, @V.O.'s point about his possession stats being decent is a fair one.
But the suspicion is that he would cost quite a lot more than £10-15m as the reports were that Atletico were bidding £30m.
And to think some fans think Liverpool are a mess.
Sell deadwood, replace with more deadwood...rinse and repeat
He's much better than Sabitzer and who says you have to sign him to a long contract? I assume he wants to play so a 2+1 or 3+1 deal is all you'd need to offer. Nobody is going to be offering a crazy long deal to him I wouldn't think.
To be fair elite destroyers are rare (or so it seems to me) and I think maybe a little outdated in today's trends : Casemiro is often higher up than people expected, I'm sure he's not doing that against EtH instructions.
There's some likelihood he has the same "issues" than a profile like Amrabat or McTominay : He can provide more or less adequate cover at 6 but he'll probably face some of the same struggles.
To be fair to United though, Spurs were the ones offering him so I think entertaining the idea isn't outrageous.
Looks like he's a cheaper option. 2 years left in contract and Spura bought him for 16 Mil. Looks like he will be sold for the same price.
Well fair enough, if it's £30m then it'd be crackers but what Levy wants Vs what they'll take on deadline day might be 2 different things. There's no obvious reason to me why we'd pay more for Hojbjerg than we would for Amrabat. It'd have to be sub-£25m I would have thought or there's no chance. Probably just being used by Spurs for leverage with Atletico if it's true.
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He isn’t much better than Sabitzer at all. We shouldn’t be signing a 28 year old who is no where near as good as the 31 year old we should be looking to replace as a starter in 12 months time simply “because he’s cheap”. It’s absolute bonkers squad building. He isn’t going to be cheap either - Atletico bid 30m but couldn’t sign him due to his wage demands.
Maybe he didn't want to go there. Good that you've got this inside track that tells you the deal is definitely negative and makes no sense though.
In case anyone was wondering btw, he's reportedly on £100k a week at Spurs. Ok it's double what McT earns but it's hardly earth shattering in terms of Man United's wage bill.
Leaving aside any qualms about the profile or quality of the player, if his main purpose is to serve as cover for Casemiro then you'd have to wonder if instead of paying £30m+ for a 28 year old Hojbjerg there really isn't any player in Europe of the same not-exactly-exceptional profile who is younger and/or cheaper.
Even someone akin to Hjobjerg himself when he moved to Southampton at 20 years old or Spurs at 24 years old for around £13m and £15m respectively.
Even someone akin to Hjobjerg himself when he moved to Southampton at 20 years old or Spurs at 24 years old for around £13m and £15m respectively.
He is better than Sabitzer in the fact he can actually play the position we require.
As a replacement for Mctominay I think he would be a decent signing.
We should also replace VDB with someone.
And then we should look to replace Casemiro next summer.
Exactly. I don't believe this story but Casemiro will need replacing next summer, why add another player who isn't going to step up. Do we actually have scouts?
Now we are buying Spurs deadwood?
How far have we fallen.
How far have we fallen.
I liked him at Southampton but he’s Jose player for me. He’s looked really poor for spurs since. This is another stats signing based on his best seasons, league experience, where he tends to operate on the pitch and the fact he’s worked with the manager, yet again. Uninspiring to the max. If it clicks well and good it’s a sensible short term call but I’d much rather save the money and get the next Casemiro or Caciedo or Enzo or whoever out of South America. You’ll never have a better time to learn than when Casemiro is nearing the end of his peak beside you. If we keep making these kinds of signings (Sabitzer, Wout, this lad) we are going to keep going sidewards and kicking the can down the road until we are forced to go big money and pressure on one youngster who may still fail or take years to come good. The same way we’ve done at striker and RW. It really doesn’t make sense to me.
This is as low as it’s got since Moyes wanted Baines and Fellaini on deadline day . A spurs midfielder who can’t get a game at the moment . Thank you Glazers
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I always wonder about how some of our fans assess players, this is actually the type of signing we need and looks like it would be on the cheap. Yes he is a bit slow but he can play the role positionally, he grafts, is a nasty fecker and he has an extensive passing range. If he's available for what they paid for him or less it's a no brainer, we are light in the CMs.
That said we seem uninterested in sensible transfers right now, JWP, Tielemans, MacAllister, Lavia, Kovacic, Tonali are all different profiles but all play CM or DM - all of them would be either squad players or starters for us and yet zero links that we were seriously in for them. Instead we went for an expensive winger/10 because we thought we could coach him into an 8?
That said we seem uninterested in sensible transfers right now, JWP, Tielemans, MacAllister, Lavia, Kovacic, Tonali are all different profiles but all play CM or DM - all of them would be either squad players or starters for us and yet zero links that we were seriously in for them. Instead we went for an expensive winger/10 because we thought we could coach him into an 8?
Doesn't matter if we buy another midfielder or not I don't care anymore. It will be someone who will be okay but nothing special and i am done with this type of signing from us.
We fecked up big time by buying Mount this summer, useless expensive player who will be mid at his best, running merchant who is neither good at 8 or 6 or 10. And when you see other teams in the top 4 how they upgraded their midfield and got quality there it is really big disappointment from us. Somehow we always manage to get the worst player on the market.
When you see the other teams purchases in the midfield this year, you're getting jealous and I don't know how we decided that Mount is the perfect player and the priority signing for us this summer, fack it.
If we compare every midfield addition from our rivals to Mount they are all better, which is disgrace when United knew that we needed top midfielder next to Case this year we fecked it up big time once again. But we've been here for 10 years now, so I don't get surprised anymore.
Put them on list:
Spurs got Maddison = better than Mount
City got Kovacic and soon Nunes = both better than Mount
Arsenal got Rice = better than Mount
Liverpool got Mac Allister and Szobo = both better than Mount
Chelsea got Caicedo and Lavia = both better than Mount
Newcastle got Tonali = better than Mount
Even West ham got Alvarez and JWP = and accept it as you wish but in my opinion they are both better than Mount. (PS: They had better summer window than us
- Kudus , JWP , Alvarez and Mavropanos and still looking for 1 more we've got Injured striker, Mount and Onana who is the only positive signing this summer but he is still only a goalkeeper and we had and still have a lot more problems in our XI than a facking GK at least we upgraded on De Gea)
It is just hilarious.
I don't know how we manage to put up the same circus every year and we still somehow endure these clowns. We're just not serious and we're not going to get anywhere near the top in the coming years, even if Pep become our coach. .
I don't see a glimmer of hope for United and I'm not kidding.
Last year we somehow managed to get to the top 4 with a lot of luck and in the end we almost missed the top 4 (Luckily we won 1-0 vs Villa at home and got easiest version of Chelsea too).
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We fecked up big time by buying Mount this summer, useless expensive player who will be mid at his best, running merchant who is neither good at 8 or 6 or 10. And when you see other teams in the top 4 how they upgraded their midfield and got quality there it is really big disappointment from us. Somehow we always manage to get the worst player on the market.
When you see the other teams purchases in the midfield this year, you're getting jealous and I don't know how we decided that Mount is the perfect player and the priority signing for us this summer, fack it.
If we compare every midfield addition from our rivals to Mount they are all better, which is disgrace when United knew that we needed top midfielder next to Case this year we fecked it up big time once again. But we've been here for 10 years now, so I don't get surprised anymore.
Put them on list:
Spurs got Maddison = better than Mount
City got Kovacic and soon Nunes = both better than Mount
Arsenal got Rice = better than Mount
Liverpool got Mac Allister and Szobo = both better than Mount
Chelsea got Caicedo and Lavia = both better than Mount
Newcastle got Tonali = better than Mount
Even West ham got Alvarez and JWP = and accept it as you wish but in my opinion they are both better than Mount. (PS: They had better summer window than us
- Kudus , JWP , Alvarez and Mavropanos and still looking for 1 more we've got Injured striker, Mount and Onana who is the only positive signing this summer but he is still only a goalkeeper and we had and still have a lot more problems in our XI than a facking GK at least we upgraded on De Gea)It is just hilarious.
I don't know how we manage to put up the same circus every year and we still somehow endure these clowns. We're just not serious and we're not going to get anywhere near the top in the coming years, even if Pep become our coach. .
I don't see a glimmer of hope for United and I'm not kidding.
Last year we somehow managed to get to the top 4 with a lot of luck and in the end we almost missed the top 4 (Luckily we won 1-0 vs Villa at home and got easiest version of Chelsea too).
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Seems to be ETH driving this one if it is even true
I don't know what everyone's definition of cheap is but I imagine you're looking at £25m at least.
This simply cannot be happening. Have we learned absolutely nothing about buying players like this. The most uninspiring signing since fellaini. I simply refuse to believe this will happen and that it’s some form of mind games to help reduce price of other players.
Could be the cover behind Casemiro and Mainoo though. You won’t get many better CMs comfortable enough to take on that role
The bolded parts are either BS or unproven in PL yet. They arent better than Mount for now.
It’s a bit sickening that our rivals can pick up the likes of Caciedo while we’re looking in the bargain bins
Spurs offered him to us?
Right. So in 12 months we need to sign a Casemiro replacement. Which one are we selling? The 32 year old we spent 60m on 2 years ago earning 300k+ a week or the 29 year old vastly inferior Hojberg that we spent 30m on just 12 months ago? There is zero scenario outside of him coming in as a 12 month stop-gap on loan where Hojberg is a “decent” signing.
There was a guy looking at all the players potentially departing Spurs, and I said we'd probably go in for Hojbjerg. Can play as a 6 and an 8, provides steal in the middle and isn't too bad on the ball.
I think someone is taking the piss out of us. I dont think we are linked with half this shit, just those in the media wants us to lose ours....
I don't agree with signing a mediocre player just to make up the numbers. It's not going to move us any closer to the teams we're chasing. See Weghorst and Sabitzer. We need real quality, and if we're unable to get that then promote a youth player in the meantime and properly scout out players for the following transfer window. Otherwise we're just wasting money on players who'll inevitably become deadwood and can't be shifted