So players from the Bundesliga are mediocre? Rashford has literally done and proven nothing. Martial too when you think about it. None of them are certs to be top European players
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If you guys want to reach the top again you need a better CB than Rojo.
Rashford/Martial is very young, did they have time to prove? What they did last season is more than enough to me as a proof that they are extremely talented. Young talented players are logically unproven at the beginning, that's why they are termed as "Promising".
I have never seen Aubameyang dribble past players like Rashford/Martial can do. Our strikers need to be able to dribble in narrow spaces as United always play against packed defenses. Technically Aubameyang is one dimensional, he's all about pace, not much guile in his game either, even a young Rashford has far more guile in his build up play.
Read my post carefully. I never said players from Bundesliga are mediocre. If they were, would I list Robben/Ribery among top players or would I rate Lewandowsky so highly(I'd take him at United at a heartbeat)? I just rate very few players as world class, Aubameyang isn't a world class player, nor is Mata, Mkhitaryan. Aubameyang has not performed like Lewandowsky did against the very best, that's what my criteria is to be counted as world class.
At this very moment, I'd break the bank to buy Paolo Dybala. I haven't seen him much, but what I have seen from him, I was WOWED. He seems to be a very creative striker, decent dribbler, excellent cerebral ability during build up play.
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Mkhitaryan was the best in that division last season.
I feel you are just obsessed with dribblers.
Drobga was never a dribbler and you could argue he was one dimensional. IN fact hardly any of Jose's past strikers were dribblers
I think Auba has consistently outperformed Lewandowoski atm and may have a better goal scoring record than when Lewa was at his best. can't be bothered to check.
Aubameyang is mediocre now? What a load of crap. He is a very good striker and good enough for Man Utd at this moment. You can argue that if you want to be on Barca's level for example then yes you need a striker of Suarez' calibre but for now Aubameyang can be considered as a quality striker who'd be a good fit for most clubs.
Since the start of last season he has 12 goals in Europe (4 in the CL this season) and 41 goals in 47 Bundesliga appearances.
Since the start of last season he has 12 goals in Europe (4 in the CL this season) and 41 goals in 47 Bundesliga appearances.
Of course that should be the target, we need to be as dominant as Barca, anything less it's not good enough, at least for me personally. That's why I suggested players like Dybala, who is miles better than this Dortmund striker.
Disagree, if Rojo continues to play as well as he has been then he fits fine in a title challenging team, we're not Madrid we don't field 11 world class players and we didn't do that under the recent history of SAF either. Brown, Oshea, Park, Fletch, arguably Carrick, Nani, not world class but managed to start games vs the best teams around, you surely don't believe you need 11 world class players to win things, surely
So Auba sucks but Griezman is a world beater. That's hilarious imho. Reminds me on how this forum thought Pogba was top 5 midfielder just because United was about to sign him, and when I said lol, I was a labeled as bitter Madrid fan.
I'll laugh again next season when you spend 100 mil on Griezman.
I'll laugh again next season when you spend 100 mil on Griezman.
Completely agree - he's proved himself more than capable this season. Chelsea are running away with the league this season with Gary Cahill in their team - hardly a world beater......there are dozens more examples of top sides with capable CBs rather than worldies.
How is Dybala miles better? Dybala is a good player with high potential but currently Aubameyang is the more established player IMO.
Aubameyang is scoring 1 goal per game in the Bundesliga and Europe, if that doesn't show people what the lad is about I don't know what will, there aren't many people who go 1:1 over the course of a season not named Ronaldo and Messi. I'm not putting him at the same level no way, but to hear people compare him with potential or say he is just a speed merchant is weird, the guy obviously knows how to get the ball from the open field to the back of the net, something that would take us from sixth to Top 2.
He's also just turning 27 this year, so he's only now entering his peak years. There's a good chance that we haven't seen the best of him yet.
No of course not - where did I suggest that?
However I don't rate him at all - you utd fans have a habit over-egging your players. Just look in that 'who has a better first 11?' thread on here.
Shaw - New CB - Bailly - Valencia That's the defence someone was quoting. That's nowhere near good enough to be amongst the best. Hence why I said you need a better CB than Rojo. Bailly is class - give him a good partner.
Apparently Auba is just an "athlete" who can shoot.
You're right we overhype players as if we just found the next Ronaldo everytime (part of the fans anyway, muppets!).
Our fullbacks is what we need to sort I think, our CB rotation is healthy and good for the foreseeable future even on a UCL stage (Bailey, Rojo, Jones, Smalling) with new talents such as Poole and Tuanzebe.
Shaw needs to play better of be replaced, probably the latter and we need someone young in for Valencia that can grow into the team over the next year or 2 whilst Valencia is getting old. All in all though, I think the 4 CBs we have access to right now are able to put in their shift on the bigger stages, especially Rojo, if Bailey and Rojo can somewhat synergise we can have a very strong pairing, with Rojo entering his peak he may get better.
Sorry for assuming what you said, I'm one of those said muppets, it happens haha.
Not even close. Dybala is miles better than Auba. Auba is a great striker who plays on a fantastic attacking side that plays to maximize his strengths. He's useless against buses, doesn't contribute all that much to the team's play, and rarely scores goals out of nowhere. Dybala is already almost a one-man offense
Aubameyang links up well with his teammates and has shown to be able to contribute to the team's play like he did in the Bernabeu providing an excellent assist to Reus to score the equalizer. Also his positioning and finishing are relatively reliable and his pace allows him to be quicker than defenders on reaching crosses. 41 goals in 47 BL appearances since 15/16 and 12 goals in Europe, I'm sure there were plenty of buses parked in those matches but he scores anyway. Also in 14/15 which was a very underwhelming season for Dortmund, Aubameyang was pretty much the main offensive outlet for them. Add to that the ability to score against big teams like Real Madrid, Bayern, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham (long-range goal) and I really don't see how Dybala is miles better.
Crazy where they get that from. Maybe from not watching football. He's quick and he can get in behind. He's tall and strong enough to lead the line if need be. He's not great at hold up play but with his speed slower defenders need to be really careful how close they stick to him because he can take them out on the turn. He really can finish and he can also play wide.
Probably the worst type of attacker to defend against..
Same. maybe because Dybala looks nicer? people tend to prefer diminutive guys with a bit of skill compared to pacey athletic types. As a lone striker, who is most likely to win United the league and do what Zlatan or Costa will? The 5"5 Dybala coming from Serie A or the speed demon who is avg 1:1 goals to game in Bundesliga, a league similar to premier league? For me its a no contest as Auba has shown he is hot to handle against the teams we aspire to beat (spurs, real, Liverpool, arsenal etc)
Woa-oh black betty, Aubameyang
Woa-oh black betty, Aubameyang
That's racist sinch.
No it's not, it's just in my head whenever I hear his name.
That's nice.
Rim me?
Yes
Woa-oh black betty, Aubameyang
That's racist sinch.
No it's not, it's just in my head whenever I hear his name.
That's nice.
Rim me?
Yes
In my opinion, none of our cb's are good enough to be main men, but all are good enough to be backup, Bailly can become good enough so he gets a spot until he proves he can or can't make it.
I have a student at the moment who is friends with Dybala. I'm working on it...
That may not be the best in the Europe but is it dramtically worse in terms of personnel than what City or Liverpool have? Lest we forget, Chelseas all conquering defence were leaking goals at a rapid rate last season and you wouldn't have found many people bigging up Cahil as a world beater. Arsenal and Spurs have comfortably better defenders than we have but Arsenal have an incredibly leaky defence for all their individual competence. Today's blitzing off Chelsea comfirms that if you're in any doubt.
We don't need a massive overhaul in terms of defensive personnel. Just that a couple of the centre halves need to find their mojo on a more regular basis and Jose needs to work more on how the team defends as a unit.
if Shaw can't sort himself out then we need two full backs. And we only need two as Valencia is getting on. He's a perfectly servicable right back in current condition.
Getting back on point with regards to Aubameyang, it's the same story. He's probably better than what we have but isn't necessary and probably won't massively improve us. We need to stop looking for shiny new toys and allow our current players an extended period of stability to gel. If once they've had a couple of seasons playing with each other, they don't click, then look for replacements.
What?
No offense, but how many of our games did you watch? Around 2/3 of our league games are against deep lying defensive heavy systems, which is partly a result of our own style, which is one of most possession and control focused in Europe.
Aubameyang scored at least once in 11 out of his 17 starting appearances in the league. Out of the six starts where he did not score, I would only charatarize two (Cologne and Augsburg) as the before mentioned defensive systems.
Aubameyang does not only score a lot in volume, but the goals are also fairly evenly distributed. This can be seen even clearer in the CL, where he scored in each of his five starts.
I have no problem with people rating Dybala higher than Aubameyang especially if we include potential, but that should at least be done on the correct base.
He'd be such a massive upgrade on Benzema. But I hope Dortmund can keep him, really like that club and with him Reus, Dembele, I hope they can build a team that can compete with Bayern in the coming years. (And then let us buy Dembele some day).
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BILD saying PSG reached an agreement.
BILD saying PSG reached an agreement.
Weird sideways move if true. Whilst not actually better than PSG, he could've picked a number of clubs from England. Real/Barca could've possibly been in for him too.
Bayern surely?
Behind a paywall, bit looks a bit speculative. Close to an agreement they say.
I think he wants to move and if Real dont go for him, PSG will. Someone has to pay that huge fee and i dont see an English club paying that right now for him, as desperate as some clubs are. Barca would never buy him.
I think he wants to move and if Real dont go for him, PSG will. Someone has to pay that huge fee and i dont see an English club paying that right now for him, as desperate as some clubs are. Barca would never buy him.
Damn I wish we were in for him. Would definitely prefer him to Griezman. That pace coupled with his ability to score 30 goals a season would be deadly on the counter.
Meh. Every time I've seen him he needs about 3-4 clear chances to stick one in. Clearly not what we need.
Fantastic striker (from the little I've seen).
Will do well at any top club.
Will do well at any top club.
Milan bound?
Maybe AC Milan are on their way back with these new owners!
That would be quite the coup for Milan if so.
Be a surprise considering he was there for 3 years and didn't make a breakthrough.
Why? He might as well stay at Dortmund.
He perhaps wants to do a "Pogba" and prove that he can make it at his former club. But funny move that, if true.
Milan have targeted some good players. Ricardo Rodriguez and now Aubameyang