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I'm not sure that's true, he put in a stellar performance man-marking Ronaldo...
Yep, as I said under Fergie he played some matches in the pitbull role.

As a CB, if my memory hasn't totally failed he was behind Rio and Evans (who were our starting CBs that season), Vidic (who started when fit though had many injuries) and I guess Smalling.
 
Amazes me the stupidity of some on here. They think we can just throw money away.

By giving Fellaini a new deal we were able to sell him and make a tidy sum rather than letting him leave for nothing. Rough calculation is we are £5m up from that deal.

Utd are protecting Jones's value. We can't afford to let all out players leave for nothing despite what some of you believe. There's no way Jones is going to be first choice next season. No chance at all.
If we wanted to sell him, we would have sold him when he had still a contract. It is not like he has declined now, he has been pure shit forever.

Fellaini was useful in some cases, and Mourinho wanted him.
 
Well my 5 million quid Bic pen is not for sale either.

As for his amazing experience I wonder how it actually translates to what we get from him. Is his experience helping him in either staying fit or not making idiotic mistakes year in year out?

This thread will be fun to read once we end up signing no starting XI centre back come summer but at least we'll have Phil Jones for the next 5 years with us, available every 5th match, for 5 matches, 3 of which will be needed for him to get 'match fit'. Rinse, repeat, just like the last 8(?) years.
Stupid analogy but I'll play.

It might not be, but just because Bill from Stationary Weekly has written an article stating Ted from Penz n' Shit wants to buy your ball point, doesn't mean Bill has ever spoken to Ted or that hes even seen your pen. Now Bill has written several of these articles over the years, and none of them have come to fruition, but you choose to believe them anyway because it fits your narrative.

"Amazing experience" is it now? Was what I wrote not extreme enough for you to acheive the level of hissy you required?

It's almost as though I hadn't written, "On the proviso we bring in another CB to start alongside Lindelof."
 
Yep, as I said under Fergie he played some matches in the pitbull role.

As a CB, if my memory hasn't totally failed he was behind Rio and Evans (who were our starting CBs that season), Vidic (who started when fit though had many injuries) and I guess Smalling.

He was ahead of Smalling those two years. He had a bunch of starts at CB early that first season but, as the season wore on he was starting mostly in midfield or RB. The next season he was injured for half the season but, when he came back he started pretty much every match he was fit for but mostly in midfield and RB.
 
Lets give Rojo a new long term contract too ffs
He has that already. Jose gave him that in second season. So now, except Bailly, our all defenders have long term contracts. We are protected. Nobody can come and steal them from us.:)
 
It's worth remembering that's literally all he was tasked to do all game. He was a free man in midfield asked to man mark them.

With Bale (I think?) he was playing RB. But in any case given the quality of the said players, it was a testament of its innate defensive qualities. Sadly he hasn't been able to build upon those performances till now. But he still has time with him so fingers crossed.
 
I think Rojo is definitely gone this summer. Only 2 years left on his.

That would be a start, but we really needed to move a couple on and him and Jones should be it. This extension feels too long for us to just be protecting an asset price.
 
So a new older CB + Lindelof, with Baily, Jones and Smalling as back up seems to be a good formulation for me, provided the new CB comes through (i.e. not another Sanchez) and Lindelof continues with his upward trajectory.
 
Bad decision. The only redemption would be if this is a 'pay as you play' deal as his injury record suggests he'd only be avaible for possibly 2 years of that 4 year deal
 
He is younger, tougher and faster does not make him better though. I'm pretty sure you would see CBs in the lower leagues who are younger, tougher and faster than Lindelof.
How do you deduce 'football brain'?

Young defenders are faster, tougher and stronger. As time go by their physical attributes start to wane, however that decline is compensated by them becoming more mature. That is why a 30 year old CB is usually more effective then an 19 year old one. Having said that, at one point, the physical attributes decline so much that maturity can't compensate for it anymore. Which explains why the likes of Rio and Baresi aren't playing football anymore.

Jones is a 26 year old who still commits the same brain farts which are expected by a 19 year old. His multiple injuries mean that his physical attributes are of a player who is way older then that. Under such circumstances I think that Bailly is a better option then Jones is. Don't take me wrong, I wouldn't lose any sleep if Ole opts of selling them both and bring someone else instead. I don't mind seeing us bringing in a top CB (Koulibaly) and keep Smalling, Tuanzebe and Lindelof as cover.
 
That would be a start, but we really needed to move a couple on and him and Jones should be it. This extension feels too long for us to just be protecting an asset price.

I do not think it was to protect an asset. I think the plan is going into next season with Lindelof, Bailly, Smalling and Jones as our CBs.
 
He was ahead of Smalling those two years. He had a bunch of starts at CB early that first season but, as the season wore on he was starting mostly in midfield or RB. The next season he was injured for half the season but, when he came back he started pretty much every match he was fit for but mostly in midfield and RB.
I seem to remember that Smalling was ahead of him in the CB role. Jones mostly played either as some weird type of defensive/box to box midfielder or was a Rafael's backup in RB position.
 
I worry about this club. This is exactly what I'd said would happen when we sided with the players over the manager constantly. These are the luckiest players alive.

It is a worry.

These mediocre players have definitely benefited from the constant upheaval of managers.
 
Jones has been injured for over 900 days and missed 109 games according to transfrmarkt
 
If and it's a big if he could stay fit long enough to have a decent run of games, he's shown in the past he can be a very good defender. Given that history of injuries, 4+1 seems a tad excessive even if he is still only 26. Good back up if we do bring in a centre half or 2 in summer though.
 
I do not think it was to protect an asset. I think the plan is going into next season with Lindelof, Bailly, Smalling and Jones as our CBs.
So our defence is going to be as bad as ever? Lindelof need a new partner. The other three are untrustworthy, either due to making mistakes or injury wise with Jones and Bailly.
 
I seem to remember that Smalling was ahead of him in the CB role. Jones mostly played either as some weird type of defensive/box to box midfielder or was a Rafael's backup in RB position.

He played almost no part in us winning that title.

He made about 4 or 5 starts, mostly in midfield or right back, and then when we were about 14 or 15 points points clear and the title was won he started the last 5 or 6 games.
 
Just woken up this morning... Did I miss anything?

Oh, wait....

Seriously...?
 
He'll be gone come summer.
 
His problem has always been unfortunate injuries. He is usually good when fit, and is still fairly young. There is obviously room for improvement if he gets luckier with injuries.

Have been hearing this for the past 5 years. How many more years are we going to wait for his luck to change? Any decent club would have shipped him out years ago. The Arsenal-esque lack of ambition at the club is frightening.
 
He played almost no part in us winning that title.

He made about 4 or 5 starts, mostly in midfield or right back, and then when we were about 14 or 15 points points clear and the title was won he started the last 5 or 6 games.
I remember him having a very good game against Madrid, when his role was to mark Ronaldo (the fecker still scored in both games, but you cannot blame anyone for that), and then making that Jones face when Aguero scored in Old Trafford.
 
So a new older CB + Lindelof, with Baily, Jones and Smalling as back up seems to be a good formulation for me, provided the new CB comes through (i.e. not another Sanchez) and Lindelof continues with his upward trajectory.

5 senior defenders is a lot for a 2 CB formation. 6 if we want Tunzebe back next season, who looks like he could become a far better player than pur other English CBs.

Putting the football to one side, I thought Woodward was a business man with its strange that he'd have 'surplus' assets sat in the fringes of the squad. Makes me wonder as to whether we will get a new CB
 
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I remember him having a very good game against Madrid, when his role was to mark Ronaldo (the fecker still scored in both games, but you cannot blame anyone for that), and then making that Jones face when Aguero scored in Old Trafford.

That was about his contribution for the season yeah.

And actually, and this may shock you, he picked up an injury in between the games against Real Madrid and so missed the 2nd leg.
 
.... and things were going so well under Ole.

Three managers and two caretakers since SAF retired and Jones is still here, playing cards with whoever else is in the sickroom.
 
5 senior defenders is a lot for a 2 CB formation. 6 if we want Tunzebe back next season, who looks like he could become a far better player than pur other English CBs.

Putting the football to one side, I thought Woodward was a business man with its strange that he'd have 'surplus' assets sat in the fringes of the squad. Make a we wonder as to whether we will get a new CB

They will make all the right noises.
 
Why do loads of people on here believe that a 4 year contract = he'll definitely be here and play for us for four more years?

It's bizarre.
I bet many people said that the last time he extended his contract.
 
I assumed this thread was someone jumping the gun on April Fool’s. If you are 26 years old at United (and after being here years), you should be either a nailed on first teamer or a reliable back up. Jones is neither. If it is just an insurance policy so he doesn’t leave on a free, why 4+1?
 
In June 13, 2011 Phile Jones signed for Man United.

And the rest is injury.

Hopefully this is just a value thing for the transfer market, I really cant see Jones staying here. Even when coming on as a sub he almost cost as the game againts Leicester in the 94th minute for failimg to mark fecking Maguire
 
He played almost no part in us winning that title.

He made about 4 or 5 starts, mostly in midfield or right back, and then when we were about 14 or 15 points points clear and the title was won he started the last 5 or 6 games.

There was a period from January to when he got injured against Reading he was the only player to start all of our matches. And when he came back from injury late in the season he started all of our remaining matches to end the season.
 
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