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I'm quite happy with this, its not like he's first choice even on the rare occasion that he's not injured. He's experienced, could still develop into a decent centre half in the autumn of his career and seems content with his lot of being a bench option. You will not find a decent centre half who will be happy to come and sit on the bench long term and we need cover, so whats the problem? He's definitely better than Rojo and probably better than Bailly.

Lindelof + New CB with Smalling and Jones as cover seems like a good back line.
 
dove said:
I bet many people said that the last time he extended his contract.
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Wasn't his last contract like 4 years ago?

Considering he was 22/23 at the time and did have potential, it would have been extremely daft for us to let him go on a free.
 
Beyond pathetic from the club, may as well kept Mourinho if we are this keen to reward mediocrity.
 
ivaldo said:
Stupid analogy but I'll play.

It might not be, but just because Bill from Stationary Weekly has written an article stating Ted from Penz n' Shit wants to buy your ball point, doesn't mean Bill has ever spoken to Ted or that hes even seen your pen. Now Bill has written several of these articles over the years, and none of them have come to fruition, but you choose to believe them anyway because it fits your narrative.

"Amazing experience" is it now? Was what I wrote not extreme enough for you to acheive the level of hissy you required?

It's almost as though I hadn't written, "On the proviso we bring in another CB to start alongside Lindelof."
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Not entirely sure you can call my analogy stupid when you decide to come up with the shit in bold.

Care to tell me into what his 'experience' translates instead of trying to play clever there? It seems as if you're avoiding it. I've obviously seen your proviso but it's pretty weird way to go around things, provided we've already been there in the summer where we didn't sign anybody, didn't sign anybody this window and now we've extended Jones contract. Even if we sell Rojo (which might also prove to be difficult), we've got Tuanzebe who's coming back from loan so he can fill in his spot. I can see us not signing another CB in the summer purely due to numbers (that will be briefed as lack of quality in the market obviously) and in the end we'll be stuck with what we have. What happens then?
 
As a bare, bare minimum, the club must surely try and sell Rojo? We can't have sick notes for the same position surely?

If Rojo also stays, it would mean 7 x senior CBs at the club next season. This figure assumes we bring back Tunzebe who is as deserving of a chance as any other Man United CB and perhaps more importantly, a new 'established' CB signing in the summer
 
Judas said:
That's one of the big problems though, and why we're desperate for changes.
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Then the inferior defenders should be substituted before him. We shouldn't let sentiments get in the way if we are trying to improve the squad.
Djemba-Djemba said:
First of all, I don't think he is one of the best defenders at the club.

Secondly even if he was, the current defensive crop at Utd are shite so it's hardly some great achievement is it?

You seem to think that after 8 years of constant, constant injuries he's suddenly going to be fit enough. It's just never going to happen, how many years of "Phil Jones injured, out for 7 weeks" headlines do you have to read before you stop thinking things will be different?

And that's before we get into the fact that when fully fit and given a run in the side, I still think he's useless.
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Footballers do get over injuries, and it is a good thing for him and for us that he is always good ready to play when fit, though it sometimes take a little time for him to get going. He has been good under Ole, and there is nothing to show he won't anchor the backline for the rest of this season. He deserves the chance to take his current form into next season, and should not be shipped out just because of what happened in the past.
Kostov said:
He's better than Rojo and..... Di'Shon Bernard, yeah that probably makes him "one of the best defenders at the club".
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Yes he is, no matter how you try to spin it.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
There was a period from January to when he got injured against Reading he was the only player to start all of our matches. And when he came back from injury late in the season he started all of our remaining matches to end the season.
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He missed almost the entire first half of the season, came back for about a month, got injured again, and then came back for the last month.

That's not a big contribution to a title win in my opinion.
 
I think the club wants to offload Rojo, Darmian and possibly even Smalling. Then assuming we bring in a new CB, we would have Lindelof, Bailly and Jones as well. 4 CBs.

I do agree though that in this moment, it seems pathetic and we are rewarding mediocrity.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Wasn't his last contract like 4 years ago?

Considering he was 22/23 at the time and did have potential, it would have been extremely daft for us to let him go on a free.
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Yeah maybe. Wouldn't be daft to do it this time though. Mediocre and always injured player, we have quite a few of them literally stealing money from the club due to us being inept. And then we wonder why our wage bill is so big...
 
Utterly terrible news. Our last three managers have done an excellent job in instilling mediocrity and I’m honestly saddened to see so many fans settle for it. Smalling I could at least see the sense in keeping but feck me, we’ll now go into the next with the two of them on the books, in fact it looks like we won’t be signing a single defender with Young also penned down. Great stuff altogether, sure the title can wait another five years, no major rush.
 
Great. Love him. If he never had the injury issues, he'd be first choice.. As things are, he is a great player to have in the squad..
 
I Guess that means we will not be selling Jones this summer.

So probably Rojo and maybe Smalling (I’d keep him but it seems Ole doesn’t rate him) to go with a new defender and Tuanzebe to step in.
 
Judas said:
Because it makes him harder to shift? No ones paying a lot of money for him or matching his wages. When a player is as injury prone, old and simply not that great as Jones, it gives the player the power, and takes it away from us. He'll be in no rush to leave, and why should he be?
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What wages is he on?
 
Freak said:
I Guess that means we will not be selling Jones this summer.

So probably Rojo and maybe Smalling (I’d keep him but it seems Ole doesn’t rate him) to go with a new defender and Tuanzebe to step in.
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Chris has been injured, so we don't really know if Ole rates him or not.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Lindelof and Bailly isn't the long term solution though. We need better.
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I disagree. And I think the club feels the same given the moves they are making - they didn't get a CB for the last guy because he had bought those two and had Smalling/Jones/Rojo so it seems they think the CB group is well stocked with two potentially top class players, and three backups who are internationals.
 
Judas said:
Not a chance in hell. To who? No one will be able to pay what we seem to think he's worth or match his wages.
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Some one will take him I'm sure. He's not a league one player stealing a living - he has injury and conistency issues but I can see him doing well for someone like Evans.
 
If he's kept as a squad player is it that bad? Despite his injuries he's still fairly versatile and I imagine that OGS sees him as a Brown/O'Shea type character in the squad who doesn't necessarily always play but when he does he can do a job. Rojo would probably be nailed on to leave with Smalling or Bailly possibly the next in line (surprising if he sells either of them as I like Smalling as a defender).

Saying that Jones' contract ran out this year didn't it? There could be a case that it's protecting Uniteds value of him in a similar mould to Fellaini and if he does leave you'll be able to recoup a bit of money for him.
 
SilentWitness said:
If he's kept as a squad player is it that bad? Despite his injuries he's still fairly versatile and I imagine that OGS sees him as a Brown/O'Shea type character in the squad who doesn't necessarily always play but when he does he can do a job. Rojo would probably be nailed on to leave with Smalling or Bailly possibly the next in line (surprising if he sells either of them as I like Smalling as a defender).

Saying that Jones' contract ran out this year didn't it? There could be a case that it's protecting Uniteds value of him in a similar mould to Fellaini and if he does leave you'll be able to recoup a bit of money for him.
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Even squad players need to be fit for key points in the season, so even from that perspective it makes zero sense to keep this pretender on the books.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Martial extends contract and we sell Fellaini for a decent price... and then this :lol: I guess you can't have it all.

I am afraid this could mean that we are not looking for a new centerback. Lindelof and Smalling will obviously stay, and I also feel Bailly has a lot more to show, so when retaining Jones there is not a lot of room left in the squad for centerbacks.
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I'd think our experience over recent times shows you can never have too many centre backs?
Jones is a good understudy, like O'Shea and Brown, not exactly the real deal but United through and through and as Ole says, he is a winner, he has that experience and know how, that's priceless in some respects.
 
I would think the club want 4 Centre backs possibly 5 , you have Bailly , Smalling and Lindelof as your 3 , Tuanzebe to come back and then sign a proven Centre back which would lead to selling on Rojo and just releasing Jones.
The 4 years is just crazy stuff considering the amount of time he’s missed due to his injuries it just doesn’t add up.
If they plan on just selling on in the summer I can’t see why they would offer him a 4 year contract. It defies logic.
 
Well not exactly the mood lifter going into the weekend but if he plays a reduced role then fine
 
10 pages in 2 hours ... people really need to chill

He's not my favourite player either but it's not the end of the world to have him as an option.
 
Kostur said:
Not entirely sure you can call my analogy stupid when you decide to come up with the shit in bold.

Care to tell me into what his 'experience' translates instead of trying to play clever there? It seems as if you're avoiding it. I've obviously seen your proviso but it's pretty weird way to go around things, provided we've already been there in the summer where we didn't sign anybody, didn't sign anybody this window and now we've extended Jones contract. Even if we sell Rojo (which might also prove to be difficult), we've got Tuanzebe who's coming back from loan so he can fill in his spot. I can see us not signing another CB in the summer purely due to numbers (that will be briefed as lack of quality in the market obviously) and in the end we'll be stuck with what we have. What happens then?
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It's almost as though the first paragraph doesn't qualify the second one, does it? If you want me to entertain a nonsensical, shitty analogy, expect one in kind.

I'm not avoiding it, I wonder if I say it you'll take it on its merit, or continue on your journey of ludicrous hyperbole because you seem incapable of discussing this without a degree of hysteria. I'd say it translates into being a defender capable of being part of the best defense in the league since Ole came in. Playing 6 of the last 8 games where we have 3 clean sheets and conceded 6 goals. When will you stop judging players based on how they performed under Jose? Is he good enough to start for us? No. Is he good enough to be 4th choice? When you consider the leagues best defense has Lovren and Matip as back ups, Arsenal has one decent defender, Chelsea still have Cahill as a back up and Spurs 4th defender is as likely to score an oggy as keep a clean sheet, then Jones isn't quite as atrocious as you'd like to make out.

What is wierd is your apparent willingness to only below newspaper gossip when it suits your narrative. We've been in for defenders for those two windows, one of which was spent with an interim manager in place, there's a distinct possibility we will sign one in the summer. Why are you pretending the last few years dictates everything that will happen going forward? Until we actually have some solid information at our disposal, let's try not to lose our shit.
 
:lol:

I do love the club's constant desire to reward mediocrity. New contracts for Valencia and Young next please.
 
Collectively 600m United fans smash their hands on their foreheads like the scene in naked gun.
 
Yorkeontop said:
Shame they don't seem to like CBs in China. We could afford to lose Jones on a free;we bought him for cheap. He's part of the deadwood but I'm sure he'll do well for say an Everton.
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£17m wasn't cheap in 2011 especially for a 18 year old footballer.

Juan Mata to Chelsea was £23m, and Arteta to Arsenal £10m.
 
kouroux said:
The point is that if you give a player 4 years, the intent is more than likely to keep him rather than selling him
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A player of his age wouldn't really be willing to take a 1 or 2 year contract though. I do think he's been given that contract for footballing reasons but if it doesn't work out then United have that security. I don't think he's a player you'd have to worry about not being sold. Someone like Pulis or Bruce would sweep him up pronto.

Shark said:
Even squad players need to be fit for key points in the season, so even from that perspective it makes zero sense to keep this pretender on the books.
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Yeah, his injury record is a bit of a concern, but you'd hope that a reduced role would help that. Time will tell. There has been cases of players in the past who learn to manage their injuries better in the latter stages of their careers and if he is unable then someone else will always buy him.
 
Hopefully so we can sell him for a decent fee.

He should never have played for the club again after his FA Cup final calamity.

Anyone in a normal job would have been sacked straight away for making a huge mistake in their profession.
 
If you can't see Jones' footballing intelligence it's because you don't have any yourself.

Good deal.
 
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