Sergio Ramos who many consider the best CB of his era has made a lot of mistakes in important matches. There is not a CB out there who does not make mistakes.
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Sergio Ramos who many consider the best CB of his era has made a lot of mistakes in important matches. There is not a CB out there who does not make mistakes.
I am not a Phil Jones fan as he has proved error prone, and appears to be made of glass. However, we are protecting our investment, he is still 'young', and with a really solid partner he could provide good backup.
I don't see all the hate. You can't have a team with superstars in every position and also on the bench - you need backup players, people who can do a job from time to time, people can fit in - this is how I see PJ.
I don't see all the hate. You can't have a team with superstars in every position and also on the bench - you need backup players, people who can do a job from time to time, people can fit in - this is how I see PJ.
Lets be honest, counts towards the English player quota. Won't kick up a fuss about not playing.
As per premier league site we currently have 10 'home grown' players - Grant, Pereira, Jones, Lingard, Lukaku, McTominay, Pogba, Shaw, Smalling & Young. The rule is 8 I believe? I'd imagine Grant and probably Pereira might not be here next season?
I don't think it's the worse thing in the world having him stay.
As per premier league site we currently have 10 'home grown' players - Grant, Pereira, Jones, Lingard, Lukaku, McTominay, Pogba, Shaw, Smalling & Young. The rule is 8 I believe? I'd imagine Grant and probably Pereira might not be here next season?
I don't think it's the worse thing in the world having him stay.
Do you watch our games? Our defence is a complete liability. If we don't sign at least 1 world class CB we can forget challenging for the league title.
Bailly will never become top class, and I say this as a Bailly fan. He makes too many mistakes, lacks the concentration, and is injured too much. Lindelof will be fine with a top class CB next to him. Smalling and Jones have proved they aren't good enough time after time. Rojo, who the hell knows anymore.
Your standards are very low, and that is fine. The rot has kicked in with alot of our fans, so you aren't the only one happy to accept mediocrity.
That was always a dumb chant.
Since Ole has become our manager we have had title winning form and a lot of it with Jones starting.
Not sure I agree. Let's say we got rid of Phil Jones and got in a new quality CB. Then we would have New CB, Lindelof, Smalling and Bailly. I would be quite comfortable with those four and then a couple of youth players as back-up. Typically we have also had other players who can do a job there, such as Blind, Carrick and Matic in recent years. I would prefer to rely on that and youth players, rather than bloating the squad and spending extra wages on an extra senior CB.
Just look at how little playing time Rojo has gotten since he came back from injury. He is in essence the 5th CB right now, and not really needed.
Jones has been a bomb scare in nearly every one of those games though?
That is overstating it.
World class CB on his day, with a face only a mother could love. What's not to like about this? Snigger
Yes, tbf, it has been very intelligent of him to spend around half his time here injured in order to manage to delude people into thinking he's a good player when fit.
It seems to me that Jones is not one of United's big earners, he's happy with what he is on, is ok being a squad player, can do a job when he is brought on, and is totally committed to the club. Yes he does make mistakes, big ones sometimes, but Ole see's these players every day, works with them, coaches them, see's what they can do, and what they can't. I'm quite happy for Ole to make these decisions, as he does make them in the interests of the club, not himself.
In due course it may be that Jones becomes surplus to requirements, and can be sold, and with a long term contract we can get a healthy fee for him. I trust Ole and his team.
Very bad news, Jones is terrible! We will win nothing if he is in our starting 11, im hoping they've done it so he cant leave for free. He really needs to be sold.
But still pretty much sums up where both clubs are at and why we’ve been without a title for five years and counting.
Half expecting Valencia to get a renewal now.
No way.. it was going so well with Fellaini being sold, Martial a new contract, better football and rumors about that DDG will sign a new contract. However now this joke of player gets a new contract?
He is injured all the time, he makes mistakes someone his age shouldnt (despite his age he isnt as experienced as you would expect from someone with his age/career) and i never feel safe when he plays.
Why did he get a 4(+1) year contract? He will eventually retire at United
He is injured all the time, he makes mistakes someone his age shouldnt (despite his age he isnt as experienced as you would expect from someone with his age/career) and i never feel safe when he plays.
Why did he get a 4(+1) year contract? He will eventually retire at United
But what has all that got to do with who is better than the other? You said Bailly is better than Jones when in reality, he is only just younger. Even if it comes down to age, Bailly is only two years younger than Jones - there is a bigger age difference between Messi and Ronaldo for eg. If we are talking about time, improvement and the future, of course Bailly can improve, but so can Jones.
Right now though, Bailly is no better than Jones, he can improve but can also get worse. Jones has been on this level far longer than Bailly who is still living off that overhyped patch at the start of the 16/17 season. There is little to show that he will even be playing for us at 27. Jones is with ease, the easier and better bet.
Hopefully it’s just for increasing his sale value in the summer. Otherwise we are fecked
Just, why? We have 5 players on long contracts, that play the position that is considered the weakest in our team. Why?
They have bought the likes of Mangala, Nastasic and a washed Demichelis. Lescott was starting for them back then. Striker signings are usually going to be more glamorous than CB signings.
No fecking way
Ole in today's conference:
Jesus, you're talking about me being hyperbolic and accuse me of hysteria then you somehow try to justify Jones' new contract by the last 6 games of his under Ole almost as if the last 8 years didn't happen. I'm not judging Jones for how he's played under Mourinho. I'm judging Jones for how he's played under Moyes, LVG and then Mourinho. There's a trend in his performances and his time spent here under different managers, if you want to look away from it and delude yourself then be my guest, but don't look surprised when people say he should be gone due to his awful injuries record and questionable ability.
I don't give a shit what others clubs have for 3rd or 4th choice, problem is that Jones, even if he's 3rd or 4th choice defender for us, quite often can become 1st choice defender due to the fact that Bailly/Rojo are as injury prone. That is, if Jones isn't actually injured himself and is available for playing.
Conversely, why are you pretending that any forthcoming years should be any different to what we've seen recently? We're going to do a 180 because what exactly? Because we've signed a DOF? I mean, we're going to sign, just like we were going to sign one about 2-3 years ago. For somebody who's accusing me of picking and choosing what I believe, you seem to have a very short memory for both players' performances and how the club's been run recently, whereas I try to look at a bit bigger picture. The only solid info that we have at the moment is that we've prolonged a contract with a player that's unreliable both injury and ability wise and being mindful that we need to get some deadwood out (and Jones definitely is that), we've just made the job more difficult for ourselves.
This is my one and only problem with Ole. He likes Jones and Young and probably thinks they're up to it. When we all know they're not.
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But things were supposed to be different, it was all about the manager. I'm guessing we'll try to penny pinch on a centre back in the summer.
You kinda nailed it with this post.
If the stories are true that he practically renewed on his current terms of 50k he just went from having a transfer value of zero this summer to 30-40m. For an England international. Kudos to the club and to Phil. Thats a great deal for both.
We should not forget about his homegrown status either.
Will he be at United the summer of 2020 or 2021? Maybe. Maybe not.
Good choice and it will not burden the wage bill for the real transfer acquisitions we need to make this summer.
What in the actual feck. Did I just wake from a coma and it’s April 1st?
A player like him should feel lucky we give him 2 years. I'm not worried he won't have suitors, I'm worried he won't wanna leave.
Sad stat of affairs when the only reason he stays at a club is for those reasons. Couldn’t we find another English player who would meet that criteria like Maguire rather than signing him on extension. He no doubt got a pay rise. No one was interested in buying him before and we have him for potentially another 4 years. Joke decision to keep him.
It wouldn't have been a disaster if we kept him on as a squad player for another year and looked to sell him on after that but a 4 year deal signals intent to keep him long-term, which is a bit of a problem. Even if the club looked to move him on in the summer, I think it would be difficult with this new contract.
The other thing is Smalling was recently signed to a long-term deal and Bailly and Lindelof will also (presumably) stay for the foreseeable. That only really leaves Rojo as a possible outgoing this summer (and he himself signed a long-term deal just a year ago) so it's looking a bit ominous for what we can do in the summer.
Ole is an idiot. He has to go.
Did Ole even make the decision ? He is the caretaker after all so I'd be surprised if his insight held much weight.
But those players aren’t at the club anymore, Pep was ruthless in getting rid of dross. We’re simply the opposite.
But, I really do not think the likes of Stones, Otamendi and the current version of Kompany are significantly better than Jones.
Shots fired at Woody. Can't see Ole staying beyond the summer now.
Maybe you're right that my standards are low, but I really disagree on the Bailly thing. This is not saying United won't sign another CB, it's possible. But I think they believe that the team is stacked there. I really like Lindelof and Bailly as the developing pair and I think the team needs to strengthen in other areas of the pitch.
No way he deserves a 41-year contract.
He's got his strengths and also his weaknesses like those three. For fans though it ultimately comes down to opinions that should be respected, but I'd say makes absolutely no difference. What those who make the relevant decisions at the club think is what matters though. He is a liability does not make him one.
What a completely rational, well thought out, and just generally intelligent response you crafted there.
Glad to see the level of discourse generated from people who are blessed with (admittedly self-claimed) football intelligence. The forum would be a poorer place without you.
If this is correct, then it's quite amazing that people are against this extension.
I mean, having a 27 years old experienced defender, who is willing to be an option B, homegrown and relatively cheap. This doesn't sound too bad, does it?
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