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It's not so much his overall performance that was poor, it's the mistake at a key moment which is the disappointment. Lack of concentration or whatever it's cost us 2 points.

The defenders have been doing this regularly for the last 4 years and we couldn't get near the title. Time for defenders like him to step up and see out the difficult moments.
 
That's probably the worst single piece of defending I've ever seen from him.

I think it was uncharacteristic personally. Let's hope it's an anomaly.

But we all know when Smalling gets his chance in the next two weeks and we win 3-0 it means Smalling is better and Jones has always been shit...usual script.
 
I don't blame him that much, because he fell and it's a goal from the corner. It's different from regular defending.

Although I'm a bit more angry of Bailly. He didn't stick to the striker who got the chance to pass the ball back and then he didn't follow him when he got the ball - alone in front of goal.

Still I can say it was a good match for our CBs with Eric's agressiveness and Phil's contribution was superb also.
 
Never feel fully comfortable with Phil Jones at the back. May seem a little harsh considering he's been pretty great since the start of the season (this game excluding), but he just never fills me full of confidence.

Never question the guy's commitment but there's always a mistake in him.
 
SkeppyRed said:
It's not so much his overall performance that was poor, it's the mistake at a key moment which is the disappointment. Lack of concentration or whatever it's cost us 2 points.

The defenders have been doing this regularly for the last 4 years and we couldn't get near the title. Time for defenders like him to step up and see out the difficult moments.
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Our defenders concede the fewest goals in the league. Or second fewest, if we're particular. They are not the reason we don't get near the titles.

The reason we don't get near titles is because our attacking play is light years behind that of our rivals.

Jones made a mistake, big deal. That's what defenders do. The reality is that we're 4 games in to the season with only two goals conceded. Jones has played a big part in that.
 
Obiorahking_ said:
You need to explain this to me better. Choupo Moting was located on the left wing where Darmain was supposed to be. How was Jones supposed to stop the cross from coming in? Was it not Darmian who was in no mans land
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Rio and Owen criticized Jones for checking his run towards the the goal just before the cross. Obviously he checked his run to anticipate a cut back . But the nearest player for a cut back was Shaqiri already marked by Matic near the edge of the area. If Jones had attempted to defended the space where the cross traveled, then the goal may have been prevented.

 
reddevilzZ said:
Would love to know how did you reach that conclusion " fault for both goals " ?
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He was all over the show on the first goal, Bailly just as much to blame. The second he was marking Choupo-Moting and was outsmuscled too easily.
 
psychdelicblues said:
Rio and Owen criticized Jones for checking his run towards the the goal just before the cross. Obviously he checked his run to anticipate a cut back . But the nearest player for a cut back was Shaqiri already marked by Matic near the edge of the area. If Jones had attempted to defended the space where the cross traveled, then the goal may have been prevented.

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He's not a fecking Owl; look at the angle directly behind the goal, the Stoke player can be in his peripheral vision, Matic is too far behind to be so. If he just runs to the near post and it's pulled back into the space, he'll get slated too.

Not perfect, but both Darmian and Bailly are the main culprits in that goal. Then he slipped.

The issue with this partnership is they're too similar; neither is great in the air, and would both benefit from the simple brutality of Smalling next to them.

Everyone says 'he's no Terry' but he's not supposed to be; he's more of a Carvalho, mobile reader of the game.
 
Jacky Quacky said:
Should be dropped for Smalling. No way can you feck your team over like he did in that massive mistake. I rate him, but that really was abysmal.
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Pogba's regular no-shows when he's actually needed to validate his reputation feck the team over more than today's freak slip; even Lukaku's missed chance late on.

Bailly was a shambles today, and destabilises the entire defence when he's so erratic; he should be replaced by Smalling.
 
AP88 said:
Pogba's regular no-shows when he's actually needed to validate his reputation feck the team over more than today's freak slip; even Lukaku's missed chance late on.

Bailly was a shambles today, and destabilises the entire defence when he's so erratic; he should be replaced by Smalling.
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We can't let one game be a representation of what Jones and Baily really are. Both players have been a rock at the back in the past three games so I don't think we should drop them based on one game. A good CB partnership needs consistency and Both Baily and Jones have great potential.
 
He was shit for their 2nd goal but other than that I remember several moments when he dealt with stuff for us. Without that mistake it would be an easy 7 or 8. Bailly was worse. He was shit all game. No redeeming moments I can recall.

Jones deserves the benefit of the doubt and should play next PL game ... unless Smalling/Lindelof look amazing in the CL
 
reddevilzZ said:
Thank God ..Someone with some sense.

There are people still keep on saying he is at fault for both the goals now . Guess even if he doesn't start and we concede people will blame him
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Sad but true AF :lol:

I've given up trying to convince peeps of his quality and if one slip can render all your previous efforts null and void then what should we call Gerrad I wonder?
 
He should continue with Baily in the PL games. Yes, they made mistakes which cost us the game. But I believe they are our best defenders (atleast till Rojo comes anyway). I felt Baily was the worst of the two yesterday.
 
He made a mistake - but why didnt we have a man at the far post ? He would have cleared that header
 
He made a bad mistake on the corner. But am more disappointed at Bailly today. The amount of times he lost concentration was crazy. The chance before Stoke's second goal was also kind of Bailly's fault. Also, would put Darmian as second worse performing defender after Bailly yesterday.

Either way, defense disappointed us against Stoke, hope it is back to normal next week though.
 
Acole9 said:
He was all over the show on the first goal, Bailly just as much to blame. The second he was marking Choupo-Moting and was outsmuscled too easily.
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You can blame every defender for every goal considered. Baily was the only culprit there for the first and John's for the second goal.

When your CB partner goes sleep twice and LB in no man's land but still get balmed for the goal because he didn't see it happening ahead !! . Baily didn't care about the line for a moment and we paid the price. How can John's know Baily will play him onside !
 
Far post is left or right back task. CB task is to guard CF or other high CB. Choupo Mouting came from behind, while Jones tried to cover him, i guest Choupo Mouting body touched Jones so he got stumble.

And Choupo Mouting is not a tall player, should be no problem for Damian.

My question ? Where was our left back ?
 
Really bad moment for him, however if the ref just stopped play after Pog was down that corner would never have come about.
 
The second goal was terrible but the first was more worrying. Mistakes happen but the first goal was a lack of appreciation of where the danger was which is the key to being a top defender.

It was obvious where the danger was. Cut the cross out at the near post and they don't score. I have no idea what he thought he was achieving by checking his run.
 
POF said:
The second goal was terrible but the first was more worrying. Mistakes happen but the first goal was a lack of appreciation of where the danger was which is the key to being a top defender.

It was obvious where the danger was. Cut the cross out at the near post and they don't score. I have no idea what he thought he was achieving by checking his run.
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Don't think he would have stopped the cross even if he didn't check his run.

First goal was totally on Baily. He made 2 mistakes. And even for the 2nd goal when Ddg made that wonder save it was Bailly playing them onside.
 
Thought he actually did really well and the second goal came from him losing his footing.

Been very impressed this year. Hope he keeps it up.
 
FromTheBench said:
Don't think he would have stopped the cross even if he didn't check his run.

First goal was totally on Baily. He made 2 mistakes. And even for the 2nd goal when Ddg made that wonder save it was Bailly playing them onside.
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I don't think Darmian is getting enough blame for the first goal. As the fullback, it's his job to cut out those crosses and he was nowhere near his man. It wasn't the only time he got completely caught out either.

That's not to say Jones and Bailly weren't at fault either. It was a collective feck up.
 
I was screaming for Mourinho to take him off while we were 2-1 up. He looked nervous as feck.

I'll never be convinced by him. He's a bottle job.
 
FromTheBench said:
Don't think he would have stopped the cross even if he didn't check his run.

First goal was totally on Baily. He made 2 mistakes. And even for the 2nd goal when Ddg made that wonder save it was Bailly playing them onside.
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Whether he was going to stop it or not is irrelevant. That was the danger. He didn't spot it or try to cut it out. I don't mind mistakes because everyone makes them. Defenders not sensing danger is far more concerning. The closest centre back cutting out a cross at the near post is defending 101.
 
POF said:
Whether he was going to stop it or not is irrelevant. That was the danger. He didn't spot it or try to cut it out. I don't mind mistakes because everyone makes them. Defenders not sensing danger is far more concerning. The closest centre back cutting out a cross at the near post is defending 101.
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When you play CB you expect your partner to keep the line . How could John's figure out Baily would play them onside in the first place ? Secondly Darmian did nothing to delay the cross ( was really terrible ) so John's barely had any time to react or sense the danger. Sensing the danger when your teammates makes the mistake is not an easy task dude. I really can't think any defender that could stop that goal once Darmian allowed the cross to come in .

Can't believe people still blaming John's . Baily palyed him onside and allowed the guy to run behind him so easily and Darmian didn't do anything to stop the cross...Yet the blame is on John's !

The second goal though was absolutely his fault. Was not strong enough there .
 
reddevilzZ said:
You can blame every defender for every goal considered. Baily was the only culprit there for the first and John's for the second goal.

When your CB partner goes sleep twice and LB in no man's land but still get balmed for the goal because he didn't see it happening ahead !! . Baily didn't care about the line for a moment and we paid the price. How can John's know Baily will play him onside !
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It's Jones by the way, not John's.
 
reddevilzZ said:
When you play CB you expect your partner to keep the line . How could John's figure out Baily would play them onside in the first place ? Secondly Darmian did nothing to delay the cross ( was really terrible ) so John's barely had any time to react or sense the danger. Sensing the danger when your teammates makes the mistake is not an easy task dude. I really can't think any defender that could stop that goal once Darmian allowed the cross to come in .

Can't believe people still blaming John's . Baily palyed him onside and allowed the guy to run behind him so easily and Darmian didn't do anything to stop the cross...Yet the blame is on John's !

The second goal though was absolutely his fault. Was not strong enough there .
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Firstly, I can assure you that there is not a single person who think "John's" was to blame for that goal. I am not singling anyone out as causing the goal and as I said, Jones was far more culpable for the second goal than the first. The difference is that his error for the second goal was just a mistake. His error for the first was absolutely dreadful defending showing a complete lack of appreciation for where the danger was. That is far more worrying as it is more likely to happen again.

You'll see a left centre back cut out a cross like that on the near post in 95% of Premier League games this season. It is basic positioning.
 
I can take it if opponent score good goals against us but not goals from our basic defending errors like what Jones and Baily done. We have seen many of these type of errors for the last few seasons. If Ferguson was still around they will be dropped for the next few games. Miss those days when we have Rio and Vidic playing consistently at very high level.
 
POF said:
Firstly, I can assure you that there is not a single person who think "John's" was to blame for that goal. I am not singling anyone out as causing the goal and as I said, Jones was far more culpable for the second goal than the first. The difference is that his error for the second goal was just a mistake. His error for the first was absolutely dreadful defending showing a complete lack of appreciation for where the danger was. That is far more worrying as it is more likely to happen again.

You'll see a left centre back cut out a cross like that on the near post in 95% of Premier League games this season. It is basic positioning.
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Not sure about that first part...There were lot of people here blaming Jones for both the goals. Second goal was his own mistake.

I'm yet to understand how Jones will sense that danger. He expected Baily to keep the line which didn't happen and Darmian offer's no resistance against the cross as well as pogba who offered Fletcher the time and space to pick out the pass . How can he sense the danger when his own teammates fecked things up ?

When you watch the replays again and again people can create so many angles and lay the blame on whoever their preferences is. I watched it live and the immediately thought in my head was wtf baily and darmian doing there !

If I was Jose I wont blame his for the first goal but I would have bashed him and given a hairdryer treatment. I wish Jose had start with Smalling ahead of one of Jones /Baily since we dont have both for our opening CL game and Smalling and Lindelof doesn't install me a great zeal of confidence since both are short of match fitness and rythm.
 
He had a stinker but has been solid so far so I'm not gonna focus on it. See how he fares next time, Bailly was uncharacteristally poor too.
 
reddevilzZ said:
Not sure about that first part...There were lot of people here blaming Jones for both the goals. Second goal was his own mistake.

I'm yet to understand how Jones will sense that danger. He expected Baily to keep the line which didn't happen and Darmian offer's no resistance against the cross as well as pogba who offered Fletcher the time and space to pick out the pass . How can he sense the danger when his own teammates fecked things up ?

When you watch the replays again and again people can create so many angles and lay the blame on whoever their preferences is. I watched it live and the immediately thought in my head was wtf baily and darmian doing there !

If I was Jose I wont blame his for the first goal but I would have bashed him and given a hairdryer treatment. I wish Jose had start with Smalling ahead of one of Jones /Baily since we dont have both for our opening CL game and Smalling and Lindelof doesn't install me a great zeal of confidence since both are short of match fitness and rythm.
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In that position the danger is the ball going across the face of goal. Get to the near post, cut the angle down, don't let the ball go across the face of your goal. You don't need to be Baresi to know that's the position to take up.
 
The second goal is on him.

He could have done better for the first, but it wasnt his mistake. It started and ended with Bailly, Darmian and Jones could have done better in between to stop the cross getting to Choupo Moting, but it was mainly Bailly who fecked up, with Darmian and then Jones adding a bit to the feck up.
 
POF said:
Whether he was going to stop it or not is irrelevant. That was the danger. He didn't spot it or try to cut it out. I don't mind mistakes because everyone makes them. Defenders not sensing danger is far more concerning. The closest centre back cutting out a cross at the near post is defending 101.
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Excacly the point Rio made yesterday in the halftime analysis. The goal starts and ends with Bailey, but Jones should have spotted the danger in an attempt to bail out his teamate.
 
Bad mistake for the 2nd but let's not pretend he was shite throughout.

The whole of our back 4 was subpar. If it wasn't for De Gea they would already have scored from Valencia's mistake.

Blind should be our first choice LB. He has his limitations and will struggle from time to time against pacy players but he brings a calmness to the backline. Darmian was jittery and shied away from taking the ball himself so our CB saw way more of the ball than they should.
 
psychdelicblues said:
Excacly the point Rio made yesterday in the halftime analysis. The goal starts and ends with Bailey, but Jones should have spotted the danger in an attempt to bail out his teamate.
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Didn't see that but it was a good point! Rio knows a bit about defending!
 
psychdelicblues said:
Excacly the point Rio made yesterday in the halftime analysis. The goal starts and ends with Bailey, but Jones should have spotted the danger in an attempt to bail out his teamate.
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Yes but Jones gets far less blame than Darmian or Baily because him dashing to the near post won't guarantee that the cross would have come in. What is to stop diouf from checking back his run for an open header?
 
Bailly should take all the blame for the first goal. Actually looked at Choupo Motong run past him and I can tell you exactly what thought went through his head - "Ah...got the run on me...feck it, would need to be a perfect delivery to get between Phil and Dave so no need to bust a gut to get back in.....oh....."

The second goal is one I also have a strong opinion on. When teams mark zonally, every single goal they concede is scrutinized. Not so with man marking. Yes of course the lad was Jones' man and got above him but that's what happens when one player is back-pedalling and another taller player gets a clear run at it. I much prefer to have key zones, front post, back post, penalty spot, occupied by your biggest and best headers. Then pick up the rest to make it awkward for them to get the run
 
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