He needs to leave. I'm fed up hearing of how he will be one of our future CB's, been saying that for 3-4 years now. What's his longest run of games staying fit apart from his first season. He's a walking injury and even when fit, he's not all that. He's rash and prone to silly mistakes.
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If Rafael had to go because he couldn't stay fit then Jones needs to go too.
Remember when he was touted as the new Duncan Edwards and a future England captain?
Remember when he was touted as the new Duncan Edwards and a future England captain?
Many years ago a man connected to United told me this :-
"Natural balance is the key to remaining fit to play, Look at George, (Best) when he went to ground he landed softly, landing on his load bearing bones in a relaxed state of mind. When you see Bryan (Robson) he is tense and lands like a sack of potatoes."
Moving down the years you can say the same for Giggs and Wes Brown, and now Martial and Jones. It's basically the same as falling when drunk, you rarely injure yourself because you are relaxed. A tensed state of mind also tightens the muscles causing strains and tears.
Watch Martial walk, and you see a natural athlete, with a cat like poise. Jones looks like a flat footed farm labourer lumbering towards the milking shed.
"Natural balance is the key to remaining fit to play, Look at George, (Best) when he went to ground he landed softly, landing on his load bearing bones in a relaxed state of mind. When you see Bryan (Robson) he is tense and lands like a sack of potatoes."
Moving down the years you can say the same for Giggs and Wes Brown, and now Martial and Jones. It's basically the same as falling when drunk, you rarely injure yourself because you are relaxed. A tensed state of mind also tightens the muscles causing strains and tears.
Watch Martial walk, and you see a natural athlete, with a cat like poise. Jones looks like a flat footed farm labourer lumbering towards the milking shed.
Caf is a scary place. Some posters genuinely read like they're his family or something. Psychos. 
Let's be objective:
The fact that members of this forum also have the cheek to harshly criticise the likes of Blind and McNair at times makes this 'hope' for Jones all the more inconsistent with reality. If you're going to have a go at Blind for not being good enough...then Jones must be shite? Because Blind doesn't balls up anywhere near the amount Jones does.
Let's be objective:
- He can't stay fit - problem.
- Even when he's fit, he's prone to blunders (I would rather we didn't have a comedy act protecting our goalkeeper) - problem.
- Even when he's fit, his positioning is suspect at best - problem.
- Even when he's fit, his tackling is WILD and DANGEROUS to both himself and others - problem.
The fact that members of this forum also have the cheek to harshly criticise the likes of Blind and McNair at times makes this 'hope' for Jones all the more inconsistent with reality. If you're going to have a go at Blind for not being good enough...then Jones must be shite? Because Blind doesn't balls up anywhere near the amount Jones does.
Glad to see there's a growing consensus that he needs to go
Glue factory.
Any update on how long he's expected to be out?
Sell Jones, buy Stones
It's the same ankle injury as before. I have had dodgy ankles (torn ligaments >8 times), and they can be a career ending injury. Just ask Wiltshire.
Ankle injuries also make you less prone to jump in and stretch that extra inch.
That said, no, I don't know how serious it is.
Have to get rid, he's always injured.
The next Woodgate/King
Caf is a scary place. Some posters genuinely read like they're his family or something. Psychos.
Let's be objective:
Sorry but I just don't get the need to persist with him. I don't see a top centre-back in him and I never have. He also doesn't look like an athlete (a bit like Rooney) and doesn't have the ability on the ball to make up for it.
- He can't stay fit - problem.
- Even when he's fit, he's prone to blunders (I would rather we didn't have a comedy act protecting our goalkeeper) - problem.
- Even when he's fit, his positioning is suspect at best - problem.
- Even when he's fit, his tackling is WILD and DANGEROUS to both himself and others - problem.
The fact that members of this forum also have the cheek to harshly criticise the likes of Blind and McNair at times makes this 'hope' for Jones all the more inconsistent with reality. If you're going to have a go at Blind for not being good enough...then Jones must be shite? Because Blind doesn't balls up anywhere near the amount Jones does.
Compared to this most posts on here seem balanced and considered. But yeah, they're all psycho's and the caf is a scary place
Van Gaal said it's the same injury again, so I am guessing 2 or 3 weeks. But at this point it doesn't even matter anymore, because he hardly improves us when he plays, and he'll get injured after game and a half again.
He'd probably injure himself by breathing. Such a shame, has/had great potential, but needs to get that consistent period of games to develop.
So much potential wasted by all these injuries. Think his time at United is up, we just can't count on him.
Is it the same injury or different ones? We have not been told too much about it. Or maybe he is just injured so much that it's boring listing all of his injuries at once
He looked very much the part when he first joined. Many surprising runs with the ball over a long distance. Had pace, strength and belief about him. Now he can't get a run in the side going, is always injured and frankly sometimes he looks like a bull in a china shop. Rushing out of defence to make challenges that are unnecessary and dangerous to both him and other players, and leaving a lot of space behind him.
I don't know if we should give up quite yet, he's still only 23, but we shouldn't count on him. I still like the Blind Smalling partnership but we're very light in defence and need another centerback.
I don't know if we should give up quite yet, he's still only 23, but we shouldn't count on him. I still like the Blind Smalling partnership but we're very light in defence and need another centerback.
So true, the man is such an archetypical example of a brainless unsophisticated hoofballer, he is a neanderthaeler.Oh and Rooney is waiting for him in his bib and brace overall in that shed, been shoveling cow dung and squeezing those milky teets for the past few years.
Sure LvG said it was the same injury.
Funny, but not a very apt comparison imo.
Both Woodgate and King were much better in their prime and King actually manged to get games. He didnt train with squad though.
It's been so long since he's had a good consistent run in the team, I've almost forgotten how talented he looked when he initially broke through. And yes he did look a fantastic prospect even if it's fashionable these days to assume that he's a lumbering English buffoon who was always shite and good for nothing. And those abusing him for repeatedly getting injured...
He's still only 23 and a player who's started almost every game when fit under three different managers at the club. Hopefully, he can regain full fitness and have a good long run in the team and show his talent.
He's still only 23 and a player who's started almost every game when fit under three different managers at the club. Hopefully, he can regain full fitness and have a good long run in the team and show his talent.
Agreed, Woodgate and King were class
Nothing will beat Woodgates debut for Madrid though. What was that? A red, a peno and an injury?
Henry has stated that King was the best defender he's played against. It is a shame that he was perennially injured and had no cartilage in his knee(s?) as he would have been something else.
'He will take the ball off you without you even noticing.'
I don't think Jones has ever had that kind of potential.
I think we'd all take Jones being the next King. Didn't he use to train like once a week during his latter days then play on a Saturday? I recall him barely training yet still putting in great performances.
King's reputation increased the less he played. By the time he retired, some people were calling him the most talented English CB only to be let down by injuries. Nothing like a good tragic story I suppose.
Oh and Rooney is waiting for him in his bib and brace overall in that shed, been shoveling cow dung and squeezing those milky teets for the past few years.
A brainless defender wouldn't have the second most interceptions per game last season, would he? Sure, he looks like an idiot, he's about as graceless as they come and frequently puts himself -- and others -- in harms way. But the characterisation of him as a brainless buffoon who is only at United because of his physical qualities is incredibly lazy and biased. He can read the game well and he is a decent passer (when he is not rusty, which is often cos he is always fecking injured), on top of being an excellent, uncouth, athlete.
For what it's worth, I'm getting fed up with him too after having defended him on here a lot. But I think we should give him one more season to sort his injuries out. This doesn't mean I don't think we should invest in Stones though. Jones, obviously, can't be relied on at the moment.
He is an headless chicken definitely
@GifLord can we get a vid of Phil going mental? Was hilarious
Someone get a gif of him jumping about in the away end after Rooney's goal.
I love this guy! Please get fit and fulfil your potential Phil.
We can keep him as cheerleader.
Think he did really well today. Had a great partnership with the guy beside him for the first time this season and was very vocal.
All good signs.
All good signs.
At least he didn't injured himself jumping up and down like that
Rojo as well! They'd make one mental center defense pairing@GifLord can we get a vid of Phil going mental? Was hilarious
Even though our players in the stands reeks of a Woodwardian-PR stunt, I couldn't help but smile seeing Jones jumping up and down like that (and yes, worry for a moment that he might injure himself.)
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