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Ok. Google imaged it. The man is actually pretty fcked up looking but yes there are pictures where he isn't gurning at least. So yes, I'd prefer we used one of them. I fully believe he will earn it in time. Good player
 
Given that Smalling was very alike a sicknote to Jones and he managed to fix his problems with injuries you have to ask questions whether Jones trully is doing everything in his power to stay fit. No matter what the answer is, we should probably sell him as he's simply too unreliable.
 
It would be good to see him succeed at United but it's just not going to happen. If anyone was willing to give something near 10m, would be stupid not to take it in my opinion (if we have a CB coming in).
 
Eric'sCollar said:
It would be good to see him succeed at United but it's just not going to happen. If anyone was willing to give something near 10m, would be stupid not to take it in my opinion (if we have a CB coming in).
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Not going to happen. How the fck do you know??? To sell him for 10 million would be extremely stupid
 
Jones and Jack Wilshere need to form an athlete insurance agency once they are done pretending to be footballers.
 
SteveW said:
Not going to happen. How the fck do you know??? To sell him for 10 million would be extremely stupid
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It's my opinion that he won't go on and become a good long term option at CB. I think Smalling is superior and we will always be looking to bring in better players, so I think Jones will struggle to progress at United, so if it became an option to sell, I think it would be best for both parties like Jonny Evans.

If he was to be sold, how much would you expect?
 
Eric'sCollar said:
It's my opinion that he won't go on and become a good long term option at CB. I think Smalling is superior and we will always be looking to bring in better players, so I think Jones will struggle to progress at United, so if it became an option to sell, I think it would be best for both parties like Jonny Evans.

If he was to be sold, how much would you expect?
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His value right now depends on his fitness. 25m if fit. 10 if a permacrock. You've clearly decided he won't be fit anymore. Which is something you can't possibly predict
 
One of my favourite players. So pissed he's constantly injured. Despite all the negativity, I still believe he can be a top centre back for us, providing he can stay fit, but it seems to be a big ask at the moment. Hope the club will continue to be patient with him. He's still only 23.
 
SteveW said:
His value right now depends on his fitness. 25m if fit. 10 if a permacrock. You've clearly decided he won't be fit anymore. Which is something you can't possibly predict
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I can't predict that, I'm making a calculated guess. I can predict though that he won't be sold for 25m. It's not football manager, name one club that would pay that for Phil Jones?
 
No-one would spend anywhere near that 25m on Jones.

We'd be lucky to get 10. He's too injury prone. He also needs to keep his head up when he has the ball at his feet.
 
Regardless of his injuries, when is he going to stop being so reckless? Hes still running out of defence like a lunatic. He's been doing it since he was 18, when the feck is he going to stop? Get rid in the summer or throw him in for Stones if Everton are thick enough.
 
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How did he even get injured?! He hardly had to do anything!
 
Fitness isn't his only issue but I imagine we'll persevere for now, just hopefully not at the expense of bringing in Stones.
 
An injury free Jones will be a solid English CB, there's not many good ones around but at this moment in time we need someone more reliable. If we could get Stones in swap deal + cash we should do it. That way if Jones does get over his injuries he could still be worth a fair bit to Everton.
 
He needs to be or 4th choice centre back, as he simply can't be relied on. He has one more season at most IMO to establish himself.
 
SteveW said:
This is dumb. How many average PL defenders have 20 England caps by the age of 23. He just needs to get over the injuries.
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If he was at a mid table team he wouldn't have 20 caps. Ask Ryan Shawcross about that. Manchester United do wonders for your profile where England are concerned.
 
SteveW said:
His value right now depends on his fitness. 25m if fit. 10 if a permacrock. You've clearly decided he won't be fit anymore. Which is something you can't possibly predict
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Who the feck would pay 25mil for Jones?
 
wiz4231 said:
An injury free Jones will be a solid English CB, there's not many good ones around but at this moment in time we need someone more reliable. If we could get Stones in swap deal + cash we should do it. That way if Jones does get over his injuries he could still be worth a fair bit to Everton.
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Why? They have a bigger prospect who rarely gets injured. Why would perma-crocked Jones be worth a lot to them? He'd expect big wages as well.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
If he was at a mid table team he wouldn't have 20 caps. Ask Ryan Shawcross about that. Manchester United do wonders for your profile where England are concerned.
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Shawcross started at United but didn't make the grade
 
Eric'sCollar said:
I can't predict that, I'm making a calculated guess. I can predict though that he won't be sold for 25m. It's not football manager, name one club that would pay that for Phil Jones?
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My point is if he was regularly fit he could be that good. Right now he's had a horrible time with injuries so his current market value is lower. It's not a true reflection of the players talent
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Another one that got away too young. Maybe if we had persisted with him, we wouldn't have had to buy Phil Jones.
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Jones is comfortably better than Shawcross. If Shawcross was that good a bigger club would have signed him at this stage
 
SteveW said:
Jones is comfortably better than Shawcross. If Shawcross was that good a bigger club would have signed him at this stage
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At what exactly? Think they're both great athletes and that's where it ends really, he's hardly comfortably better especially given that Jones is always injured then it takes weeks for him to recover, get back into match rhythm just to get injured two weeks later.
 
Kostur said:
At what exactly? Think they're both great athletes and that's where it ends really, he's hardly comfortably better especially given that Jones is always injured then it takes weeks for him to recover, get back into match rhythm just to get injured two weeks later.
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Better at football. Shawcross is better at not being injured.
 
SteveW said:
This is dumb. How many average PL defenders have 20 England caps by the age of 23. He just needs to get over the injuries.
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It isn't dumb. I highly doubt he will ever become more than a bog standard premier league defender. He cannot stay fit and isn't intelligent enough to be a top player.

England caps mean nothing anymore, have you seen the state of the squad.
 
SteveW said:
Better at football. Shawcross is better at not being injured.
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Isn't being injury free a part of being good or bad at football though? As I've said, every time a player is out he needs time to get back to his best and prior to the peak of his form he's usually underperforming, just like Jones has shown in last matches. Staying fit gives you stability in form thus your performances are around the same level, even if it's average for Shawcross it's still better than Jones' level which is consistently hampered by injuries-caused setbacks.
 
Kostur said:
Isn't being injury free a part of being good or bad at football though? As I've said, every time a player is out he needs time to get back to his best and prior to the peak of his form he's usually underperforming, just like Jones has shown in last matches. Staying fit gives you stability in form thus your performances are around the same level, even if it's average for Shawcross it's still better than Jones' level which is consistently hampered by injuries-caused setbacks.
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I agree it's a problem. At 23 years old I think there's reason to be patient. Buy another CB to poartner Smalling. Keep Jones and let him fight for a spot once he gets his fitness sorted. Simple
 
Yes Jones is made of glass, but I don't agree with the calls to sell him. He can be a solid squad player for us, or even more. He has time on his hands to iron out his injury problems/ brain farts.

In the meantime we need to buy a more dependable CB in his prime.
 
Eric'sCollar said:
It would be good to see him succeed at United but it's just not going to happen. If anyone was willing to give something near 10m, would be stupid not to take it in my opinion (if we have a CB coming in).
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10 mil for a highly-rated young English CB? We will be ripped off if that is the case. No way should we let go of him at this point. We need all the CBs we can get. He is still only 21-22. Very young for a CB and although he is rash, he still has some very good physical attributes which will stand him in good stead in any PL team.
 
Skills said:
Isn't anywhere close to Smalling talent wise.
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I don't know about "Talent" wise, but Smalling certainly has more natural resources, with his pace and height. He always had all the raw materials to be quality, but took his sweet time to show it
 
NK86 said:
10 mil for a highly-rated young English CB? We will be ripped off if that is the case. No way should we let go of him at this point. We need all the CBs we can get. He is still only 21-22. Very young for a CB and although he is rash, he still has some very good physical attributes which will stand him in good stead in any PL team.
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We'll give him 2 more years, then sell him for £2.3m to Everton or Sunderland knowing us
 
NK86 said:
10 mil for a highly-rated young English CB? We will be ripped off if that is the case. No way should we let go of him at this point. We need all the CBs we can get. He is still only 21-22. Very young for a CB and although he is rash, he still has some very good physical attributes which will stand him in good stead in any PL team.
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If we have no other CBs coming in. Keep him 100%, I truly would love to see him make it at United but if Smalling keeps his spot nailed down, we will continue to look at who we can bring in and if Jones' career continues in this way, I think it would be best for both to move on. I understand that he is still very young and yes he should be afforded time but I just can't see it happening for him anymore.
 
Play a couple of games, come off injured, out 5-6games, come back, play a couple of games, come off injured, out 5-6 games.

Must do his head in as much as anyone elses.

He's lucky he's "made it" on 60k a week, and that he's not in League 2 relying on being able to play to pay bills.
 
I feel bad for him but I wouldn't mind seeing him move on. I seem to remember him looking fantastic in his first few games, but he's been injured on and off constantly and used as a utility player for two years by Fergie. His development has been massively stunted.
 
Kostur said:
At what exactly? Think they're both great athletes and that's where it ends really, he's hardly comfortably better especially given that Jones is always injured then it takes weeks for him to recover, get back into match rhythm just to get injured two weeks later.
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Athletes? They're good at playing football. I can't imagine they'd be any good at most athletic events
 
I don't think he's ever getting over these injuries unfortunately, he has probably regressed as a player since he joined. If Van Gaal stays i reckon Jones will be sold in the summer.

I wouldn't be fussed with him staying another year or two personally but he should definitely be replaced in the squad as he's just not reliable enough. He must be our most frequently injured player since Saha.
 
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