Ixion
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In 3 games a season.Except he's actually quite good.
In 3 games a season.Except he's actually quite good.
If someone offers decent money, I would sell.
Doubt an England international would be very chuffed with being loaned out.Maybe we should loan him out. He's young enough to get over the injuries and his contract runs long enough.
Doubt an England international would be very chuffed with being loaned out.
I agree we need to get someone else. I think unfortunately Phil should be sold. He is not even an option on the bench as he is capable of getting injured running from there to the touchline.I'm usually one who defends him, but if he can't stay fit, he shouldn't be surprised if we are looking for different solutions.
Good at getting injured? Yes. Good as a first team player for Manchester United? No. Squad player at the very best, hate seeing him on the field if I'm honest.Except he's actually quite good.
You hate him seeing even when he's not injured? Ridiculous.Good at getting injured? Yes. Good as a first team player for Manchester United? No. Squad player at the very best, hate seeing him on the field if I'm honest.
Yes, because I don't think he's good enough to play for us. Go watch Norwich first goal a few weeks back, look at his half assed challenge, how easily he's beaten. Then, watch the second goal, and look at how easily he's beaten there too. He's regularly caught out of position. His passing isn't good enough, and to top it all off, he's injury prone. So yes, I generally hate seeing him on the pitch as it means we have injuries. He should not be first choice.You hate him seeing even when he's not injured? Ridiculous.
Sell him.
He had a bad game that day, true. But he's generally one of the best one-on-one defenders in the country and that's not the kind of mistake you'd usually associate with him. The fact you think he's regularly caught out of position speaks volumes about the bias you must watch him with.Yes, because I don't think he's good enough to play for us. Go watch Norwich first goal a few weeks back, look at his half assed challenge, how easily he's beaten. Then, watch the second goal, and look at how easily he's beaten there too. He's regularly caught out of position. His passing isn't good enough, and to top it all off, he's injury prone. So yes, I generally hate seeing him on the pitch as it means we have injuries. He should not be first choice.
True enough, none of those managers ever make mistakes. I don't think I'm remotely biased to be honest, he's regularly caught out of position, causing him to make those last ditch lunging challenges that have spawned a thousand memes, due to the looks on his face as he dives in.He had a bad game that day, true. But he's generally one of the best one-on-one defenders in the country and that's not the kind of mistake you'd usually associate with him. The fact you think he's regularly caught out of position speaks volumes about the bias you must watch him with.
He's been a first choice pick under Allardyce, Fergie, Capello and now LvG. When he's fit he ALWAYS plays, because he's a top defender.
But it's highly unlikely they'd all make the same mistake, over and over, in every single game.True enough, none of those managers ever make mistakes. I don't think I'm remotely biased to be honest, he's regularly caught out of position, causing him to make those last ditch lunging challenges that have spawned a thousand memes, due to the looks on his face as he dives in.
We'll just have to agree to differ. He's not even close to Smalling, let alone to the level of the likes of Rio, Vida, Pally, Bruce etc. We should be striving for far better than Phil Jones.
So the management team brought him back to quickly. Let's all hang Jones for their mistake.“Phil Jones is injured, and it's more or less the same injury as before," van Gaal said.
Blind isn't good enough either. I don't know who thinks he's a footballing genius. He shouldn't be more than a squad player either.But it's highly unlikely they'd all make the same mistake, over and over, in every single game.
The memes are the reason people underrate him, imo. He has a reputation for being stupid that's totally undeserved. It's like something out of a high school popularity contest.
Blind gets caught out of position far more, but is seen as footballing genius for some reason.
So the management team brought him back to quickly. Let's all hang Jones for their mistake.
People laud Blind's 'footballing intelligence' but rarely mention the fact that Jones makes far fewer mistakes overall. He's anything but a stupid player.Blind isn't good enough either. I don't know who thinks he's a footballing genius. He shouldn't be more than a squad player either.
While I agree that Blind makes a lot of mistakes ... I definitely don't think Jones makes a lot less. Similar number of mistakes in my opinion, Jones physicality gets him out of a lot whereas Blind has to resort to tugging people back etc when he's beaten easily.People laud Blind's 'footballing intelligence' but rarely mention the fact that Jones makes far fewer mistakes overall. He's anything but a stupid player.
He had a bad game that day, true. But he's generally one of the best one-on-one defenders in the country and that's not the kind of mistake you'd usually associate with him. The fact you think he's regularly caught out of position speaks volumes about the bias you must watch him with.
He's been a first choice pick under Allardyce, Fergie, Capello and now LvG. When he's fit he ALWAYS plays, because he's a top defender.
Always like this - Phil Jones:A professional hospital patient whose career has been blighted by appearances for Manchester United.
Look at the posts over the last couple of pages. He's got pilloried for having a error-free game against Stoke and an injury due to being brought back too quickly against Swansea. That's the level of prejudice I'm trying to redress.You're literally the only one defending him. He's been poor for a long while.
Even when Smalling was getting injured or played out of position, there was a lot of posters on here that could recognise his qualities. The same can't be said of Jones.
Look at the posts over the last couple of pages. He's got pilloried for having a error-free game against Stoke and an injury against Swansea. That's the level of prejudice I'm trying to redress.
You're literally the only one defending him. He's been poor for a long while.
Even when Smalling was getting injured or played out of position, there was a lot of posters on here that could recognise his qualities. The same can't be said of Jones.
He willIf he ever gets over his injury problems he'll be a fantastic defender. Big if though.
Thank you. I can handle people being annoyed by his injury record but I don't get this idea that he's a crap defender. It's simply not the case. His performance level has generally been good. No idea why people can't see this
Blind isn't good enough either. I don't know who thinks he's a footballing genius. He shouldn't be more than a squad player either.
He will
Up to the medical team to find a solution for him. Which I am sure they are trying To do.
Only 23 and would be gutted if Utd gave up on him.
He's on a very similar path to Chris Smalling. I still remember this criticism he was getting after the sending off against City, last season. I thought both were pretty average, and with the injuries, I didn't have much faith in either. However, Mike has been brilliant this year and the key has been... playing, consistently, as a centre back. We should allow Jones the same belief, patience and time.
He will
Up to the medical team to find a solution for him. Which I am sure they are trying To do.
Only 23 and would be gutted if Utd gave up on him.
If he ever gets over his injury problems he'll be a fantastic defender. Big if though.
He will
Up to the medical team to find a solution for him. Which I am sure they are trying To do.
Only 23 and would be gutted if Utd gave up on him.
Still hope for a Smalling esque emergence
Nope, he won't. He will become an average premier league defender at best.
No one deserves that pic though.