Our worst player today.
4
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 24
- Clean sheets
- 7
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 1
- Yellow cards
- 3
He wasn't out with a brain injury, I don't care how little football he's played in the last few weeks, the mistakes were down to him playing like a crash test dummy, he is totally at fault for the 2nd goal, he needs to realize he's not Rio, just hold the line with your CB partner, it's basic shit.
The story of all our defenders. All of them have a stupid error in them. Id excuse Shaw,Blackett and McNair but the rest are here too long to be making these mistakes over and over.
The unfortunate part is that we had a new manager who wouldn't be expected to exactly what was wrong with us but in normal circumstances you'd expect two from those three to follow the rest out. Firstly we need defenders that can be relied upon to remain fit then we need substantially better quality than what we currently have. Those two goals were gifts tbh, opponents need to work harder to score against us.
There was a moment a ball was running through down Rafas side and he was chasing after it, he was panicking way before got to the ball. By the time he got to the ball he didn't know what to do and it kind of just hit him and went out for a throw in. I have no idea, what that was all about.
And Im still trying to understand his thinking for the second goal.
And Im still trying to understand his thinking for the second goal.
he thought the ball was gonna go out but it didn't... so it kinda surprised him and end up kicking it out giving away a throw in.
As for the second goal... he went to close down a opposition player who was with so much free space. It was the right thing to do. Sadly, Rafael was really disconnected from what was going on and took an eternity to react (never did actually...). Concentration has never been his forte. he should have stayed in line with the rest of the defenders and be much more alert to cover Jones.
hardly - Rojo loses his man completely and Rafael plays him onside.
Jones is the one that steps forward for no reason and loses contact with the other 3 members of the back 4, Berahino ran into his space not Rojo's.
Neither of which would have mattered if Jones had done his job and not charged out of defence to close down someone Fellaini already had covered.
Jones' was the most idiotic piece of defending in that goal both in terms of chronology and severity, he's entirely to blame.
You mean the one who Fellaini had already closed down?
Jones was a bit hung ho but Rojo is marking Berahino and then loses him completely - to say the goal is completely Jones' fault is bollocks, it is a general defensive feck up with several to blame.
Paddy McNair!!
Rojo has to come across into Jones sector of the defense to go after a player running into the acres of grass left by Jones, if Jones stays in formation the danger never materializes.
No he wasn't, watch it again. It's Jones marking him and he literally charges away from his man. Look at where Berahino actually starts running from https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/87...p4?versionId=DN._IBoQj57eHHPHDg4niVgLGd2Mj0Uw
I honestly think some people don't bother watching the things they comment on.
Typical brain dead Jones defending. He's all brawn and no brain.
He's developing into your standard average English centre back.
He's developing into your standard average English centre back.
Ive watched it several times thank you very much and the link you posted shows nothing of the build up at all which explains why you dont have a clue what is going on - Rojo has Berahino, Jones is not with him at any point.
You don't seriously expect anyone to believe that nonsense do you? Look at where he starts running from when the pass is played, it's in the video.
I have always liked Jones, I think he has a future in the game but this game just confirmed my thoughts that he is the dumbest footballer we have had for years. That's not to say he is bad, he just doesn't have the thought process of a footballer.
I mean, him and Rojo playing out from the back was like watching school boys who didn't know each other. He would constantly play Rojo's right foot, behind him, anywhere but where Rojo wanted it. Nothing big but those little things can sometimes set the tone and I felt it did with our build up play, slowed it down for no reason.
Again, not bashing him as I think he will have a future in the game but as many think, he just doesn't have a brain, well a football one.
I mean, him and Rojo playing out from the back was like watching school boys who didn't know each other. He would constantly play Rojo's right foot, behind him, anywhere but where Rojo wanted it. Nothing big but those little things can sometimes set the tone and I felt it did with our build up play, slowed it down for no reason.
Again, not bashing him as I think he will have a future in the game but as many think, he just doesn't have a brain, well a football one.
there is feck all in the video - 7 secs?! No wonder you havent a clue - find a decent video of the highlights and you will see
Not that I am saying Jones is blameless either - he is a bit rash but at that point he has no one to mark
to be fair they havent played together before - you would hope an understanding would develop over time. That's the problem though, we cant manage to find 2 CBs who can stay fit long enough to form a partnership
Only seen the highlights, but I'd put Jones down as a key reason for the second goal. Left a massive hole in the center for the striker to run freely into. At this level doing that will get punished more often than not.
Saying that Rojo probably could have covered a bit better. Though that is more showing a lack of understanding between the pair which is understandable due to how little they have played together.
Saying that Rojo probably could have covered a bit better. Though that is more showing a lack of understanding between the pair which is understandable due to how little they have played together.
If that was David Luiz doing the same, he'd be crucified. Jones should expect the same, that was definitely a "10yr old playing FIFA" moment. He chased the ball instead of keeping shape and it cost us.
I do expect him to learn from it though, it was a brainless moment but I thought he was otherwise decent
I do expect him to learn from it though, it was a brainless moment but I thought he was otherwise decent
I see he's receiving some criticism, and it's warranted, but don't forget his partner in crime... Rojo wasn't much better...
Yeh, it's not something I would be worried about going forward as it's a new partnership and Rojo was given a tough time by their strikers, so he had a tough game (grew into it) but just simple things, like playing his right foot not his left (surely he would know Rojo is left footed) just isn't good enough at this level.
It's not something that wins or loses a match, just something that frustrates the hell out of me because the time it takes a player waiting for the ball, or getting it onto his preferred foot, we could already be on our way if the pass was the right one.
In this day and age of football, it is a capital crime if one expects to play for a big club.
What were you thinking at times, Fergie?
You don't need more, but feel free to go and get this mythical version where Rojo is marking him and not Jones, despite Jones very clearly running away from his man.
Seriously, go get the video of the full move and prove your point categorically if you think mine doesn't show enough.
He was out for a few weeks....not 8 months with a knee injury....that could be a excuse for him for that terrible performance
Every player can improve no doubt about that and he's still young and he probably needs games in a row
But he needs to improve a lot in the next weeks and stay fit or he wouldn't be even a squad player next season!!!!!
Every player can improve no doubt about that and he's still young and he probably needs games in a row
But he needs to improve a lot in the next weeks and stay fit or he wouldn't be even a squad player next season!!!!!
The rate at which Jones and Evans are regressing is quite staggering. It's a major worry now.
He's definitely suffered from not playing regularly as a CB. The most bizarre role he played for us was as the most advanced man in a midfield three against Reading in 12/13, while Rooney was on the right. Fergie had me in tears.
I think he's done well this season, but it's no surprise that he played poorly today given that he's only back from injury and we reverted to four at the back. In a three-man defence, he can afford to be aggressive because we're generally more compact and the players understand how to cover him when he presses the opposition aggressively. When he came out today, our defence just didn't look comfortable in dealing with his moment of exuberance and this isn't a problem associated mainly with him:
Same thing happened earlier this year when Ferdinand came out to press Bony but Evans was slow to cover. Our players aren't used to playing in a high line.
I think he's done well this season, but it's no surprise that he played poorly today given that he's only back from injury and we reverted to four at the back. In a three-man defence, he can afford to be aggressive because we're generally more compact and the players understand how to cover him when he presses the opposition aggressively. When he came out today, our defence just didn't look comfortable in dealing with his moment of exuberance and this isn't a problem associated mainly with him:
Same thing happened earlier this year when Ferdinand came out to press Bony but Evans was slow to cover. Our players aren't used to playing in a high line.
Of course you need more to analyse - you think LvG will show the team a 7 second video to show them where the mistakes that lead to this goal came from? Obviously not - the problems start far earlier.
Berahinho comes from next to Rojo and only moves in the space Jones leaves AFTER Jones has pushed on - at no point does Jones leave him.
Rojo has to follow the man or tell his CB partner to pick him up - he does neither. TBF to Rojo he may assume he is offside and then that is down to Rafael for not being in line.
But that is the general problem in the defence at the moment, no one is taking responsibility to organise and communicate.
all shown clearly here around 10:12
http://www.lastminutegoals.org/west-brom-vs-manchester-united-premier-league-highlights/
I honestly think some people don't bother watching the things they comment on
It really is. Attackers are constantly improving their technique and movement whilst defenders aren't allowed to be as physical as they were in previous decades. Therefore for a defender you need to be intelligent and Jones is lacking a bit in that regard.
Jones, as far as I'm concerned, left the space for Berahino to run into and cost us. Rojo could've certainly done better but if Jones doesn't wander off from the back, Berahino is forced wide and doesn't get an open run at goal. Rafael did play him on but to give him most of the blame (which some people did) I just do not agree with.
This was a very disappointing game from Jones. Yes, he was injured and was our best centre back this season before that happened, but his mistake tonight was a basic positioning decision. People get on Evans's case (deservedly) for doing stupid things but Jones also has plenty of deficiencies in his game. He is prone to making rash tackles when attackers come into the box, he throws himself around recklessly (has injured himself from it several times), and at times completely loses his awareness. I am not saying that Jones is a poor player but when your club expects to compete in Europe a CB needs to be almost flawless in his technique and decision-making. Jones simply makes too many mistakes and a lot are mental, not because of physical problems.
Believe me, I want all of Jones, Smalling, and Evans to excel, but I just don't see any of them reaching their potential. Jones had two seasons when he first came to United where he didn't get enough time to develop as a CB. He played a lot of time in midfield and as a fullback, largely because of injury and the absence of depth in MF. He, Smalling, and Evans have also been constantly injured and that time out of the game has kept them from getting some kind of momentum in their careers. I think in the next 2-3 years all three players will be down the road to another club. Rojo, Blackett, and McNair might come good but I would not be surprised at all if in another couple of seasons our CBs look completely different.
This was a very disappointing game from Jones. Yes, he was injured and was our best centre back this season before that happened, but his mistake tonight was a basic positioning decision. People get on Evans's case (deservedly) for doing stupid things but Jones also has plenty of deficiencies in his game. He is prone to making rash tackles when attackers come into the box, he throws himself around recklessly (has injured himself from it several times), and at times completely loses his awareness. I am not saying that Jones is a poor player but when your club expects to compete in Europe a CB needs to be almost flawless in his technique and decision-making. Jones simply makes too many mistakes and a lot are mental, not because of physical problems.
Believe me, I want all of Jones, Smalling, and Evans to excel, but I just don't see any of them reaching their potential. Jones had two seasons when he first came to United where he didn't get enough time to develop as a CB. He played a lot of time in midfield and as a fullback, largely because of injury and the absence of depth in MF. He, Smalling, and Evans have also been constantly injured and that time out of the game has kept them from getting some kind of momentum in their careers. I think in the next 2-3 years all three players will be down the road to another club. Rojo, Blackett, and McNair might come good but I would not be surprised at all if in another couple of seasons our CBs look completely different.
Jones always had poor positioning. While he is always lauded in here for his 'brave' tackles, most of you forget that he wouldnt have had to make them, if he kept the opposition player in check.
This. Defending is all about positioning nowadays.
Jones has arrived into the wrong footballing era at United.
The place he's coming back from at 2-1 reminds me of that fecking Leicester game. Same idiocy was done by Smalling there so it's either some shit instructions from LVG or our defenders having a same hole in their brain that causes the same problem. They're acting as if they were a CDM.
And absolutely agree with what @girish says above, he's got terrible positioning for a CB and is praised for his last ditch tackles that shouldn't have to happen in first place.
And absolutely agree with what @girish says above, he's got terrible positioning for a CB and is praised for his last ditch tackles that shouldn't have to happen in first place.
Hopefully LVG can train his brain and not his legs - he needs that
I've always had my doubts about him but now he looks even less convincing. He doesn't look like he's got the intelligence to play in a title winning defence, which is where we want to be. He's a million miles away.
Poor man's David Luiz.
Excellent in first few games of the season. Below par in his first game back after a longish spell out injured. What can we conclude? He's always been useless. Well done, redcafe. You've excelled yourself.
Wasn't he also the next Duncan Edwards according to Ferguson or Charlton?
How long are we going to wait for this guy to come good? All we ever hear is about his 'great potential', i hope i'm wrong but looks like he's hyped up just because he plays for United. He's playing a like a mid table defender, even the likes of Ryan Shawcross have been outperforming him on a regular basis. It's even more disappointing when his opposite number in the WBA defence played better than him.
The same can be said about Chris Smalling too, i reserve judgement for Rojo and Shaw who need a chance to show what they can do.
The same can be said about Chris Smalling too, i reserve judgement for Rojo and Shaw who need a chance to show what they can do.