Phil Foden - What Is His Potential?

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Do you have any real contribution or arguments?
You don't have to agree with the point I was making, but it doesn't seem too far fetched since some players become system players or become very less effective when they're not in a system they're used to.

I was taking the piss, of course Pep’s system is the reason man.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Truly one of his worst tournament performances for England. I was very dissapointed

 

[Zen86]

If pundits like Gary Neville and Micah Richards didn’t go on about Foden to the degree they do this thread would probably be smaller. But people listen, people in this thread have listened constantly for years about how incredible and magnificent at everything Phil Foden is and the simple fact is he just isn’t. Absolutely not a generational talent and was absolutely never going to be Englands most important player this Euros. I understand Richards cos he played for city and is mates with Foden but can’t quite work it out with Neville. I know he loves the occasional city loving but still.

Neville fawns over anything to do with City. Probably wants on the payroll, if he isn’t already.

 

[RedStarUnited]

Olmo for Spain.

Have to find a way to get Foden playing like that for England on a consistent basis.

You know whats funny, Olmo isnt a starter in that team, he started because Pedri got injured.

Foden isnt creative enough for the role he wants to play.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Bit of the Raheem Sterling about him.

This popped into my head during the game last night as we've all seen how poor Sterling looks since he left City. I think we'd see a similar drop off from Foden if he moved to any other club where the manager's tactics don't consist of recycling possession in the final third.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

3 goals in 41 games for England.

"must build the side around him"

 

[Cassidy]

You know whats funny, Olmo isnt a starter in that team, he started because Pedri got injured.

Foden isnt creative enough for the role he wants to play.

Thats because Spain don’t look to cram names into a team. They are happy and bold enough to have top players on the bench and only play them in a suitable position.

 

[Judas]

He's been such a bitter disappointment at international level. For someone who looks so good at club level, how little its translated to how he plays for England is staggering. It's like they're not even the same person.

 

[LankyHoggie]

3 goals in 41 games for England.

"must build the side around him"

Iniesta had 11 in 131 for Spain, sort of a similar goal per appearance ratio.

Obviously Iniesta was a FAR better player, but probably not the best metric to judge Foden by?
Iniesta also played sort of in a similar position for Spain.

He's been such a bitter disappointment at international level. For someone who looks so good at club level, how little its translated to how he plays for England is staggering. It's like they're not even the same person.

Bernardo Silva looks far better for City than he does for Portugal, De Bruyne as well, Gvardiol and Kovacic were terrible for Croatia in the Euros.

 

[macheda14]

Better players have performed as poorly for country. God, Rooney was always pretty lacklustre in the tournaments.

 

[Real Name]

Iniesta had 11 in 131 for Spain, sort of a similar goal per appearance ratio.

Obviously Iniesta was a FAR better player, but probably not the best metric to judge Foden by?
Iniesta also played sort of in a similar position for Spain.


Bernardo Silva looks far better for City than he does for Portugal, De Bruyne as well, Gvardiol and Kovacic were terrible for Croatia in the Euros.

De Bruyne was bad in this Euro just as the whole Belgium team. Kovačić wasnt that bad, the best of the bad bunch if anything. Thing is, Spanish players looked good cause they had a system and werent throw in the team for the sake of it, unlike England and Croatia whose coach didnt have an idea how to play and what does he want from the team.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Iniesta had 11 in 131 for Spain, sort of a similar goal per appearance ratio.

Obviously Iniesta was a FAR better player, but probably not the best metric to judge Foden by?
Iniesta also played sort of in a similar position for Spain.


Bernardo Silva looks far better for City than he does for Portugal, De Bruyne as well, Gvardiol and Kovacic were terrible for Croatia in the Euros.

I mean, sure but he got zero assist and goals in 7 games.

 

[giorno]

You know whats funny, Olmo isnt a starter in that team, he started because Pedri got injured.

Foden isnt creative enough for the role he wants to play.

Olmo and Foden are actually very similar players. The problem with England is what do you do with Bellingham(and Palmer) to get Foden playing that role? Also england don't have Rodri and Fabian, which is an issue too

There's also Kane but I figure that can be solved with coaching

Iniesta had 11 in 131 for Spain, sort of a similar goal per appearance ratio.

Completely different players, playing completely different roles. Iniesta's main contributions to his team were as a penetrative dribbler/playmaker - similar to Saka, or Lamine Yamal. Foden is a goalscorer. If he isn't scoring, what's the point of him?

 

[lex talionis]

Most England players looked like dull knives under Southgate.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

Crikey, 2 goals in his last 38 international appearances. That’s some return from a generational talent.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Better players have performed as poorly for country. God, Rooney was always pretty lacklustre in the tournaments.

Except of course when he was the best player in the tournament.

 

[macheda14]

Except of course when he was the best player in the tournament.

Once when he was 18 and an unknown entity on the global stage. He never repeated it. But when he was a more established player with a lot more responsibility he folded constantly.

 

[Swordsman]

He's been such a bitter disappointment at international level. For someone who looks so good at club level, how little its translated to how he plays for England is staggering. It's like they're not even the same person.

It's not his fault. You want to pin the blame on someone. Blame it on Southgate.

 

[Swordsman]

Iniesta had 11 in 131 for Spain, sort of a similar goal per appearance ratio.

Obviously Iniesta was a FAR better player, but probably not the best metric to judge Foden by?
Iniesta also played sort of in a similar position for Spain.


Bernardo Silva looks far better for City than he does for Portugal, De Bruyne as well, Gvardiol and Kovacic were terrible for Croatia in the Euros.

I would say most if not all EPl players played far better in league than in Euro 24.

 

[always_hoping]

A quote from elsewhere. In a month's time Foden will score a hattrick against Ipswich Town and all pundits will talk him up again as the best and most talented English player since Wayne Rooney.

 

[RoyH1]

A quote from elsewhere. In a month's time Foden will score a hattrick against Ipswich Town and all pundits will talk him up again as the best and most talented English player since Wayne Rooney.

You can bet your life's wages on this. But we'll remember mr. 007 and calls to "build the team round him"

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Iniesta had 11 in 131 for Spain, sort of a similar goal per appearance ratio.

Obviously Iniesta was a FAR better player, but probably not the best metric to judge Foden by?
Iniesta also played sort of in a similar position for Spain.


Bernardo Silva looks far better for City than he does for Portugal, De Bruyne as well, Gvardiol and Kovacic were terrible for Croatia in the Euros.

Saka is about twice the player for England than Foden is. For all the excuses made, that tells you it isn’t all down to the NT which really isn’t the broken mess it was before Southgate took over.

 

[Sandikan]

Once when he was 18 and an unknown entity on the global stage. He never repeated it. But when he was a more established player with a lot more responsibility he folded constantly.

He was pretty injured for at least two of the tournaments in fairness.
We used to routinely rush players back only to see them under perform.
Beckham with his metatarsal another.

 

[tomtom1212]

Amazing potential. Magnificent player. This is the type of player every club dreams of. Him haaland Declan rice palmer are the future of the Premier league. These guys will shine for years to come

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Amazing potential. Magnificent player. This is the type of player every club dreams of. Him haaland Declan rice palmer are the future of the Premier league. These guys will shine for years to come

Good to see Micah Richards has joined the caf.

 

[DJ Jeff]

Once when he was 18 and an unknown entity on the global stage. He never repeated it. But when he was a more established player with a lot more responsibility he folded constantly.

I think this had a lot to do with him being a pretty unprofessional pisshead whenever the season ended who routinely turned up to tournaments like he'd been on the beer for 2 weeks, which he probably had been. Also some unlucky timing with bad managers and injuries (Injured going into 2006 WC, Schteve, Capello's disastrous 2010 tournament a couple months after he'd been rushed back from injury for us, Hodgson in 2012). By the time 2014 rolled around he was on the decline as a player and playing in a much worse team. Of course he should have a better tournament record but I'd say if Rooney had emerged 10 years later than he had he'd have Kane's goal record and then some in a much more functional team, he was a better player. 04 was the best team Rooney played with at a tournament with only maybe 06 pushing it, by 2010 a lot of the big names were on the decline.

 

[DJ_21]

Met this guy today. He parked outside my work in Stockport in his green Audi. Needs to learn how to park though. Took him about 15 mins.