If we'd beaten them on Sunday we could well have finished above them, Arsenal have always played pretty football finished 3rd, finish 4th it's all the same, and they will likely continue this way as they seem content with it in which case United will push past them again pretty soon.
Petr Cech | Signed for Arsenal
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If we'd beaten them on Sunday we could well have finished above them, Arsenal have always played pretty football finished 3rd, finish 4th it's all the same, and they will likely continue this way as they seem content with it in which case United will push past them again pretty soon.
I didn't mean it in regards to Cech, I meant generally.
Obviously we can blow Arsenal out the water for players, we took their best player and captain not long ago. However maybe Cech wants to stay in London?
This transfer makes a lot of sense for Arsenal, which is exactly the reason Wenger won't be after him.
Viktor Kolar , Cech's agent (from a slight side angle)
Are they denying it to save face?
Are they denying it to save face?
Because we're so close to them this season despite a new manager, a new system, new players, not to mention all the injuries. Plus the fact we will definitely strengthen more than Arsenal this summer, partly because we have to, but also because we have more money. I expect us to challenge next season; Arsenal haven't properly challenged for over 10 years.
Arsenal showed something this year I haven't seen from them in a decade. I genuinely believe they will be challenging for the title next year.
They are going to sell us Hazard. 
If we have injury disruptions like we had this season along with champions league fixtures I'm not so sure.
Teams will also be a bit wiser to our playing style next season.
Wherever he goes I'll wish him luck. Legend.
We certainly had the best of you Pete.
We certainly had the best of you Pete.
Daniel Taylor in the Guardian:
Petr Cech has been mentioned as a possible replacement and it was intriguing to discover United’s chief executive, Ed Woodward, met Mourinho at a hotel in London on Friday (though the relevant people assure me it was purely a case of bumping into one another).
Petr Cech has been mentioned as a possible replacement and it was intriguing to discover United’s chief executive, Ed Woodward, met Mourinho at a hotel in London on Friday (though the relevant people assure me it was purely a case of bumping into one another).
Not everyone is a klootzak.
If you can't see the relationship between that and shots conceded then I lose hope. Cech is going to concede more of his goals due to errors because his team concede far fewer clear cut chances than most, it's the same reason a few errors last season put Joe Hart way out in front.No its not. Its called 'keeper errors' not 'defensive errors'. This season our defense made the second highest number of errors in the league yet we conceded the fewest from them. Why? Because of De Gea.
De Gea has been a freak this season, that's neither here nor there.
Would love to see us sign Cech if Dave leaves.
I'd be delighted with Cech as a replacement for Dave.
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We have not really played with a high line (apart a short time under Villas Boas) but I don't see any reason why I'd trust Cech less than anyone else (bar perhaps Neuer) in that system.
Thanks, I found him slow out of his line in the last years, but you are better placed to judge.
Yeah sure.Already lost hope with that comment.
Joe Hart made some errors last season, however I'm willing to bet he made less than Artur Boruc did. A percentage isn't a great metric for judging that without looking at the raw numbers as well. A percentage has more error associated with it when the raw numbers are smaller, one error more or less when your team only concedes 27 goals would be enough to put you up or down 4-5 places on that list.
It makes a decent case for Hart and Boruc having error prone seasons but when you're looking the difference between 3rd and 10th being 1 or 2 errors in some cases it's nonsense to try and imply anything from that as for teams who concede relatively few goals it's far too easy for single data points to massively skewe the data.
tl;dr your list doesn't show shite about Petr Cech because it's so data poor anything you're trying to say is hidden in error.
First of all its clearly shown that it's in percentages and not actual number of errors. Any idiot can read that. We don't need educating on the difference. Second my point still stands although i will admit stats don't show everything. Did Hart make the most errors last season? Yes. Has Petr Cech regressed a bit while still remaining top class? Yes. Most Chelsea fans will tell you that. He let in quite a few soft goals last season.
I disagree based on your posts in this thread.
Did Hart make the most errors leading to goals? Because looking at the number of goals City conceded I can't see how that can be true. And regardless of what you think of Cech, your data doesn't show that.
Yes it does. You can choose not to believe it, doesn't make it true. It's clearly written in plain and simple english 'goals conceded due to errors'.
Edit: It seems you are harping on about percentages and numbers again. I didn't make that list so im not sure what counts as an error in their eyes but ill try to approach this pragmatically. So last year City conceded 37 goals. Math isn't my strong point but 27.27% of 37 comes to about 10 goals. Now Hart was benched for a couple of games and im not sure how much they conceded in those games. So lets say 8 goals are attributed to his error or atleast he was part of that error. Is it so hard to believe that? For me its not. I can name 5 errors immediately off the top of my head from last season.
vs Everton
vs Villa
vs Chelsea
Also i don't have the gifs but add to that his error against Cardiff for Campbell's goal and Southampton(not entirely sure if that was last season or 12/13).
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So did DeGea, what's your overall point, that we shouldn't sign Cech?
Whose point?
If we lose De Gea signing Cech would surely be the best possible scenario, he's still a top keeper and will surely be able to do a job for us. I have no idea who Chelsea would rather sell to of ourselves and Arsenal are in for him but he will probably want to stay in London unless we offer much higher wages. It will be interesting to see where he ends up either way, great keeper who deserves to be playing week in and week out.
Yes it does. You can choose not to believe it, doesn't make it true. It's clearly written in plain and simple english 'goals conceded due to errors'.
Edit: It seems you are harping on about percentages and numbers again. I didn't make that list so im not sure what counts as an error in their eyes but ill try to approach this pragmatically. So last year City conceded 37 goals. Math isn't my strong point but 27.27% of 37 comes to about 10 goals. Now Hart was benched for a couple of games and im not sure how much they conceded in those games. So lets say 8 goals are attributed to his error or atleast he was part of that error. Is it so hard to believe that? For me its not. I can name 5 errors immediately off the top of my head from last season.
vs Everton
vs Villa
vs Chelsea
Also i don't have the gifs but add to that his error against Cardiff for Campbell's goal and Southampton(not entirely sure if that was last season or 12/13).
That might be the case if Boruc didn't play 35 games for Southampton last season, I have no idea if he did. You can draw very little from those percentages without the raw data behind it. How many games did they play, how many goals did they concede, and in fact you probably need more than one season to illustrate a point in any detail. Cech was in goal for 22 of 27 of Chelsea's league goals last season, 11.76% of 22 is a grand total of 2 mistakes in 34 games. When one mistake means +/- 6% you know you need to provide more details. It's alright showing that and saying he's above John Ruddy, but Ruddy made 6 mistakes to Cech's 2 and unless you have evidence to suggest number of mistakes increases linearly with how bad the defence is in front of you I'm going to have to call bullshit.
The simple fact of the matter is 2 mistakes leading to goals in 34 games tells you absolutely nothing. Being in a side that concedes very few goals completely warps the stats.
Well we will just have to agree to disagree now don't we. Fact of the matter is they're the only one's keeping those stats and unless you provide an evidence otherwise im just going to have to believe them over you or else we might as well discard every statistic saying 'i don't believe that'.
https://www.bsports.com/extratime/goalkeeping-in-the-premier-league#.VWOd5VIpp2C
I'm sorry, what is there not to believe? He only made 2 mistakes in 34 games last year. That's what your stat boils down to, Chelsea are a defensive outlier.
As i said, no evidence. Im inclined to believe them over you because they're paid to keep those stats. They're not perfect but they're professionals. Why should i believe you over them?
No evidence? It's basic arithmetic.
Chelsea conceded 27 goals last season.
Cech missed the last 4 games of the season, in those games Chelsea conceded 3 goals.
That means Cech was in goal for 24 of Chelsea's 27 goals conceded.
11.76% of 24 is 2.84. At best it's 3, I need to double check if he was substituted off in a 3-1 defeat.
Who you're inclined to believe doesn't really come in to it.
edit: used the no. for 22 instead of 24
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So you're basically saying the stats were correct?
I never said the stats were incorrect, I said they were meaningless.
And in my original post i mentioned him conceding some soft goals and the stats were just an addition to show the 'goals due to errors'. Clearly i wasn't just depending on stats. I remember watching the games i just don't remember which ones was it and i have no gifs. Now there's something that doesn't show up on stats hey.
Telegraph and DM seem to think Cech to Arsenal is close to a done deal, for a 7m fee, which is pretty marvellous on our end.
Cracking deal for Arsenal and for Cech. He gets to stay at a club in the CL and fighting for top 4 in the PL, and Arsenal continue to sign impressive players and don't look like they are going to falter. They look quite strong going into the season and might mount a title challenge.
He will improve Arsenal a lot. When was the last time they had a top GK? With another good signing or two, they will fight for the title next season.
The fee I'm seeing quoted is 10m. Still I'll believe it when it's on Arsenal.com. Decent deal, gives Szcz the chance to improve as well and hopefully he will.
The best GK Arsenal has had in last 2 decades if this goes through.Arsenal team will improve by leaps and bounds with Ospina as no.2. Jose still doesn't want him to go there but it's out of his hand unfortunately. Damn.
great deal for arsenal if true. one area that they have always need to improve lately. even ospina has been brilliant for them (2nd half of last season) and their 2nd half form was brilliant.
Ospina isn't that good to be fair. He came into the team when the defence finally clicked and Coq emerged. I'd rather have Szcz as #2 as he's a homegrown player (squad limits being stricter). Notable errors from Ospina one of the Monaco own goals and the Swansea goal at Emirates. He's been alright but wasn't tested much in this phase.
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