I think for the most part me and Vi1lain both meant attack in the ideological sense.
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I think for the most part me and Vi1lain both meant attack in the ideological sense.
its not easy being white
OK fair enough, I misinterpreted "religious attack" if that is the case.
It's not easy being human.
Makes sense - the Muslim population in America is about 2% I believe? Across the globe that potentially could change.
Though to be fair, I wasn't strictly talking about religious based hate-crimes, but speaking more so about the perception, representation and respect given in society.
It's always a homeless white person used as an example when we talk about white privilege.
Let me ask you a question.
Nothing about you or life, or living situation changes.
However, every decision you make in your life, every interaction you are involved in, any thing you do - you are treated like a black person.
Every store you enter, job interview etc, do you think your life would be different or you would be treated differently in any way?
Or perhaps would you be happy to live the same life you live, but you're treated like a transperson?
is it equally easy to be white as to be black?
It's always a homeless white person used as an example when we talk about white privilege.
Let me ask you a question.
Nothing about you or life, or living situation changes.
However, every decision you make in your life, every interaction you are involved in, any thing you do - you are treated like a black person.
Every store you enter, job interview etc, do you think your life would be different or you would be treated differently in any way?
Would you be happy to live the same life you live, but you're treated like a transperson?
It is a funny habit people have when they don't actually have a retort they just mock something for being a cliche.
How on earth am I supposed to know that? I imagine it would be different, much like it would be different if I was better or worse looking, shorter or taller, heavier or lighter.
Being a trans person would be impossibly hard.
I love the assumption that I am white because I have frustrations with the far left
No two people's lives are equally easy or equally hard.
Depends on whether your parents are both still around.
you didnt answer the question
assuming all else is equal
I indicated that it is an illogical question, I can't answer a question that doesn't make sense. What black person? What white person?
What country?
this is amazing. such a simple question and you guys are doing mental gymnasticsYou're being harsh, how is anyone meant to infer the country in a thread about Ben Shapiro?
It is a funny habit people have when they don't actually have a retort they just mock something for being a cliche.
How on earth am I supposed to know that? I imagine it would be different, much like it would be different if I was better or worse looking, shorter or taller, heavier or lighter.
Being a trans person would be impossibly hard.
I love the assumption that I am white because I have frustrations with the far left
I didn't assume you were white. I did however know you weren't black or trans which is precisely why I used those examples.
So what you're saying is, being black in society is no different to being white in society?
Because the question I asked was that nothing about you or your life would change, however how you're treated and viewed would be as if you were a black person.
And you're suggesting that, it would be like being uglier, taller, fatter etc?
I actually think black people have little to no problems at all in current western society, provided they act 'white', and that's the problem I think.
Again, I fail to see how the situation at Evergreen relates to the point about the UW-Madison course, or the general claim that universities teach anti-whiteness courses. And it seems your issue is with the name of the course, and you actually don't have a clue about its contents.
And stop being such a precious fecking baby. Do you always throw tantrums when people don't agree with you? If you don't like having you views challenged, don't debate.
It isn't a simple question though. It makes no sense unless you make a load of assumptions.
I am not trying to disagree with you. Just give me an actual scenario? Are they in America and both live in the same area with let's say the same adopted parents?
nah its okay youve already shown your true colors
true. we could easily be talking about Benin
Really?
Last week I went to Louis Vuitton with my mum to look at potential christmas presents - not only were we followed, but when we asked to look at a bag the lady rolled her eyes and asked if we could afford it, or if we are just hear to look.
My mum, actually had a Louis Vuitton bag on her shoulder at the time, not that it should matter.
But sure, yeah no problems at all.That's on a very superficial level.
We can discuss, healthcare, the justice system, community funding, overpolicing etc also.
do you understand what "all else is equal" means
I'm not sure I see the irony. Where have I started flinging shit like "Whatever though, all these people on the right are terrible racists with no real grievances and we as a political party have no issues whatsoever" in response to a reasonable and civil post that disagreed with me?Irony at it's finest.
You can disagree with me
See now this is where the right goes too far in the opposition due to defensiveness. Denying race being a major factor in the US especially is just as unfounded.
Yeah but I've had the same stuff happen to me, (not in Louis Vuitton, mind) I guess it's all anecdotal isn't it.
Maybe I should clarify my point. There's undoubtedly a problem with how black people are treated, but I think it tends to be those who act stereo-typically black. You know, hanging out in large groups, baggy trousers and speaking in ebonics etc. The problem as I see it is, you sort of have to act 'white' in order for that go away somewhat. Get an education, put on a suit, speak in a RP accent and be articulate with it, hold down a good job...basically you have to prove yourself. That's what I see as being the main thing against black people. You sort of have to earn it. Would you say I'm wrong?
That is because I feel it is illogical to defend that course.
Look I apologise if you felt I snapped at you if that is what bothered you. My position is this (so we can move past it as I doubt we will agree) I believe that teaching a course regarding the problem with "whiteness" and fostering extreme left views (Right would be even worse obviously) can lead to a huge group of kids going batshit crazy, taking over a school and screaming racist things at their hostages.
I believe that serves absolutely no purpose in moving towards my ideal world where as many people as possible are undivided in actually working together on each specific issue as it arises.
are pitching a movie script? i mean what even is this?
good thing that doesn't happen
It goes past anecdotal instances like that. If you are born black you are over 10% more likely to live below the poverty line, radically more likely to be born in an area with inadequate public schooling, and over 10% more likely to be born into a single parent home.
You'd hope so wouldn't you. Nope I am talking about things that have actually happened.
ok
citation needed
Firstly, the idea that those things are indicative of white people.
Secondly, the idea that ebonics and baggy trousers is a 'problem' and indicative of black people.
Thirdly, the idea that those things are mutually exclusive and the way a person acts, talks, or dresses gives society the right to treat them differently - is literal discrimination.
I can wear what I want, speak how I want and should still be given the same treatment as everybody else.
Also, you're discounting things like black people (in the uk) are 7x as likely to go to prison for a longer period of time, for the same crime as white people.
Black communities severely underfunded, which perpetuates a cyclical and systemic problem of poorer education and lack of a stable family life.
And many, many more.
How is this the *only* problem black people face?
I think that non-white people experience generalisations that influence how they are perceived in the first encounter between strangers, or in the formative years that can seriously affect their career trajectory (either positively or negatively).
My perception of 'White Privilege' is that we are generally treated as individuals straight away by most people who make decisions that affect us. That said we still get judged by where we are from, the type of school we went to, our accents etc. Being Black will just make getting the step on the ladder more difficult and recovering from set backs really hard because of racial stereotypes, in my opinion.
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See this is my only real issue with what we were talking about earlier. Do you not feel these issues would be more practically addressed with more even funding throughout all varied communities?
Why not look at getting minorities above the poverty line and an adequate education as the priority? I think what I was saying earlier is highlighted by your anecdote about the Louis Vuitton shop leaving (not to be unkind) less of an impression than understanding the results the underfunded communities suffer.
How do you propose getting minorities above the poverty line & better education, when funding is cut to minority communities, or they are comparatively under-funded?
It's a system of variables that work against minorities, and there isn't a simple solution because every action that's proposed or taken, will have a reaction that will need to be addressed too.
In the US, I would cut military funding for a sustained period of time with bi-yearly reviews. Put more emphasis on local government, taking advantage of their more accurate understanding of local issues and stronger ability to organise on a grass roots level. It would be very unpleasant for a short period of time but a spending freeze might need to be implemented. Aside from that I would put a greater emphasis on trade jobs and apprenticeships.
Trump will end up being very costly in my opinion in regards to the deficit and North Korea. Play the hand you are dealt though and that would be a start, I am no economist though.
Either way what I was essentially highlighting was that a stable home life and access to adequate education are the two most important things you can ask for.
But have you ever questioned why that is?
I would say it's more down to poor choices than the colour of someones skin. According to the National Centre for Policy Analysis, there's 2 things people have to do to avoid poverty in America: Graduate college, and don't have kids out of wedlock. Only 6% of those who do are on the poverty line.
So when you apply that to black and white families, you start to see why. 72% of black households are headed by a single mother, whereas only 25% of white households are. As for graduating college, 31% of black students dropout of college, whereas whites are just 14%. Is it any wonder that whites earn more on average? Again, I think it's to do with choice instead of your skin colour. For instance, 17% of Nigerian Americans have masters degrees, and are the top earning black group in the US. They're doing alright.
With that said, is it any wonder fewer whites are in poverty? It comes down to the choices you make. If you make bad ones, it's going to affect you negatively.