Peterson, Harris, etc....
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Good effin' grief.
Unfortunately this is the world we live in. Instead of debating the merits of ideas within their intended context, we are more inclined to smear the messengers by way of cherry picked memes and truncated videos which aren't particularly helpful in having a sensible debate.
I'm sure there's a wider context that is not being represented
I've always supported freedom of speech but there's little sensible debate to be had with quotes like the above.
Behold, the Jimmy Cannon of the intelligentsia.
'Nobody asked me but...'
'Nobody asked me but...'
I'm sure there's a wider context that is not being represented
I've always supported freedom of speech but there's little sensible debate to be had with quotes like the above.
He loses me at times, but in general I find it more satisfying to watch one of his talks in its entirety than being led to form an opinion on the back of a random quote that is deliberately cherry picked to mislead.
so that you would see it
Put it all in one post so people who want to actually discuss things dont get lost in a sea of tweets.
a real brain genius herei wont post any more of his tweets but posting them is discussing them
F*ck am I walking 'round like Anastasia Romanov...
surely it would've crossed his mind that people in general are a bit scared of criticising Islamic cultures publicly nowadays. I mean you'd surely consider it a sizeable factor before proclaiming the only possible reason is feminists are attracted to totalitarian male dominance
He’s trying to apply psychoanalytical theory to understand what he perceives to be bizarre/inconsistent behaviours (the refusal of some leftist feminists to condemn misogynist religious regimes). He’s very clear about this too. Even in that carefully edited minute long clip. Psychoanalytical theories often come across as a bit far-fetched. I mean, when did you last fantasise about having sex with your mum?
Whatever, that clip certain doesn’t potray him as an idiot or a fascist. But I guess you tagged me in because you think it does?
No I just wanted you to see it and read your reaction
Righto.
Who are the leftist feminists who refuse to condemn misogynist religious regimes?
You’d have to ask him that question.
What are your views on him? It seems like you carry quite a bit of water for him but I could be wrong.
As some who were previously close to Peterson suggest, it seems obvious that he prefers being a star to being an academic; so why even discuss his views?
I presumed he would've mentioned or cited some examples since this seems to be something he refers to quite often.
At no point has he ever used any examples of well known feminists who refuse to condemn misogynist religious regimes?
It's a long established talking point that it may as well be on the islamaphobic bingo card. Generally left leaning voices that want a progressive society also criticise western foreign policy in the middle east. And this criticism of western foreign policy is then conflated with being pro-x or pro-y - in this case, being perfectly fine with the status of women in these countries. It's an intellectually dishonest argument that you'd have to be dumb as a literal rock to buy into.
The reason they say "feminists don't criticise muslims enough" is because it's easy to focus on someone who, say, works on domestic abuse or studies the pay gap and find that they mostly talk about domestic abuse where they're from, or the pay gap where they're from. "see, all she talks about is women in Albuquerque, why don't talk about the women in Qatar? Huh?"
And there's little reason to think Jordan is doing this purely for the money, he seems to believe what he says and his constant attacks on women in particular paint a picture of a man who is little more than a misogynist piece of shit. He doesn't deserve the civility he refuses to half the people on this planet.
The reason they say "feminists don't criticise muslims enough" is because it's easy to focus on someone who, say, works on domestic abuse or studies the pay gap and find that they mostly talk about domestic abuse where they're from, or the pay gap where they're from. "see, all she talks about is women in Albuquerque, why don't talk about the women in Qatar? Huh?"
And there's little reason to think Jordan is doing this purely for the money, he seems to believe what he says and his constant attacks on women in particular paint a picture of a man who is little more than a misogynist piece of shit. He doesn't deserve the civility he refuses to half the people on this planet.
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I think he's an interesting character. I know people who find his talks/books useful. I'm not a fan, personally. He's too cryptic for my tastes. Plus I'm an atheist, so I don't like the way he tries to interweave religious dogma into his interpretation of science.
My only dog in this fight is a combination of my own pedantry and dislike of the way anyone whose opinions differ from the progressive left ends up being called a nazi. In the same way, I don't like the way people who are left-leaning get called communists or cultural marxists. It's all a bit childish and unhelpful.
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There his own tweets Raoul. He's the one cherry picking quotes and ideas and they're pretty stupid.
Although I love tweets in general, I generally avoid his since noticing he's hard enough to properly follow and contextualize while watching the entirety of one of his talks, much less pulling a one liner from one of them.
I dont think hes trying that hard to be understood. Quite the opposite tbh.
The one thing I've learned with him is that few things are simple. He routinely goes off into longer abstract tangents where he clumsily attempts to blend academic research with rather unfunny attempts at weaving a bit of humor and levity into his presentation, which results in a sometimes incomprehensible word salad that is hard to make sense out of. If you then take one sentence out of that without context it will make even less sense.
Rule 10: Be precise in your speech
It's clear that his tweets @Eboue posted are intended to stir controversy and invite a response from the liberal left though. It's not like he's accidentally quoting himself out of context and being misunderstood.