also amazon couldnt replace the post office. most right wingers dont understand anything about the post office
Peterson, Harris, etc....
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Sam Harris can be a snide prick, but putting in the title with Peterson is a bit strange. They hold quite different viewpoints.
Didn't Trump himself tweet something spectacularly dumb about amazon/the postal service?
The Libertarian stuff about "the government does nothing good" is particularly fecking stupid coming from Americans, where the states are given a load more autonomy than sub-regions in European countries and end up in ludicrous situations like state capitals going bankrupt when they try and upgrade a fecking rubbish dump.
Generally, I'd agree. But your entire argument falling apart after someone reminds you the Civil Rights Movement happened suggests he hasn't really thought things through.
Yeah but Europe is dying and is a new muslamic caliphate or something (according to these people) so what would Europeans know.
Peterson is clearly right wing and while he's obviously incredibly intelligent I find him very disingenuous. His generalisations of anyone he views on the left and his hysteria over "neo-Marxists" as if that's even an issue is incredibly off-putting. And his stupid voice.
Harris is actually pretty reasonable. He's firmly a centrist although by US standards probably left leaning. I agree that some of the more mainstream liberal ideas towards Islam are quite ridiculous given the conservative positions it inspires among huge portions of the Muslim population. There are ideas to be challenged and criticised by any progressive society.
Harris is actually pretty reasonable. He's firmly a centrist although by US standards probably left leaning. I agree that some of the more mainstream liberal ideas towards Islam are quite ridiculous given the conservative positions it inspires among huge portions of the Muslim population. There are ideas to be challenged and criticised by any progressive society.
Harris is definitely middle of the road (probably left leaning) on most things politically.
I think his thoughts on terrorism and muslims/religion are too simplistic but he's not the worst person to listen to. He's definitely got a lot of right-wingers on his coat-tails as they use him for justification of their racism/bigotry towards muslims as people.
I don't think there's a problem with liberals/left-leaning people refusing to blame (generally) poor nations for being a bit backward about some matters. And most would agree that these countries should progress/reform as time goes on.
Yeah, that's more or less my take on the two of them.
Although I think Harris is caught in that classic trap of making the same reasonable argument so repeatedly that he gradually ends up drifting past the point of reason. I went through something similar when I was urging people to be patient with David Moyes!
The title should be 'Social discourse - public academics' or something.
"Go clean your room, bucko | And other simplistic drivel"
What the hell100% this he is paper thin
And unsurprisingly he was exposed when someone was able to cut the bullshit, rid of him of his short, brief replies, and get him to give a straight and immediate answer. Granted, fair play to him for recognising that instead of digging a hole for himself, but still - hardly paints him in a credible light, even if it shows a hint of humility from him.
What surprised me is that there *is* a standard right-wing defence for this, one he is especially equipped to use.
"Serving blacks does not violate Christian faith in the same way as writing a celebratory message for an abominable wedding."
"Serving blacks does not violate Christian faith in the same way as writing a celebratory message for an abominable wedding."
There's also the pseudo lawyer response of:
"I'm against gay cakes so jews don't have to bake swastikas"
I thought he'll go to the "faith" one because religion is something he feels strongly about.
Jeffrey Donaldson of the DUP here in N.Ireland once compared a christian company having to bake a gay marriage cake (the famous case here) to a catholic on the Falls Road having to bake a Shankill Butchers tribute cake.
Marriage Equality. Tribute to Evil Psychopaths. Totally reasonable comparison.
It's common tactic and it's always ridiculous as it sounds.
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Forgot it's on Youtube
cake isnt even good
Gay cake is pretty tasty to be fair. Although it's pretty new and hard to get.
I dont think Joe Rogans political views matter that much. He tends to give his guests a lot of slack to put their view across without getting confrontational about it or trying to pick their argument apart to protect his own views (unless you criticise weed, then he loses his shit)
Anti-Weed and Veganism are definitely two of his sore spots. Otherwise he let's his guests ramble on to their heart's content. Rubin let's his guests say whatever they want all the while agreeably absorbing their views.
Its an interview style and he does it well. They generally seem pretty at ease and willing to throw ideas out there. I cant imagine him ever really grilling a guest.
I've never given Rubin more than 5 minutes of my time tbh
@dumbo
All that is missing is Rubin agreeing with someone.
All that is missing is Rubin agreeing with someone.
Rubin isn't worth it unless you want to see what one of his guests has to say, which is generally not too often. He had a pretty good interview with Niall Ferguson about leftist control of academia that was worth a watch.
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This is amazing.
I don't find this sort of selective cherry picking to be particularly helpful as it doesn't offer much fidelity. It also seems to be the preferred method of random twitter trolls. Want to discredit someone ? Just cherry pick a sentence or two and pretend it applies to an entire career of work.
His work of imperial glorification should discredit itself.
What I'm looking to attack is the hypocrisy, the cheek, of trying to organise professors and students against opposing viewpoints and then claiming to be fighting against opposition "control".
If there was any truth to leftist control, this asshole would be out of a job, first for his garbage opinions, and then for this stunt.
That's a pretty fatuous argument. He and his wife have had to hire professional security to deal with the authoritarian leftist loons following them around. Check out his talk with Rubin. Its getting pretty disgusting, especially with the enablers who want to fire people because they have a view they don't agree with.
How is it fatuous? Isn't what he's doing the very definition of hypocrisy, perhaps even projection? What standing does he have on free-speech if he was secretly organising aginst the free speech of people whom he dislikes?
He doesn't think me and my people are as capable as he and his ancestors were, since we can't deal with self-determination and sovereignty:
If you want to be poor, fight for independence
He and Grover Furr should be left to rot from hunger like the victims of the regimes they glorify.
The cool kids' ***********:
say what you want about jordan peterson but hes obviously incredibly intelligent