Pes 2010

We've been through this Pogue, the FIFA brigade have had years of PES heads invading their space and cussing them down...they're just getting their slice of the pie..>As a convertee, I'm enjoying both slices

Fat bastard

I remember it being FIFA lovers desperate to declare their game was the best when it wasn't

I tend to play with inferior teams to keep it a competitive experience, and the last Pro Evo was a real good game for me. The problem is you're all playing as the top players, and they make them too good, its too easy to do things with them

I'm not changing anytime soon. I think both games stick to their core values. I feel like it resembles a game of football on PES. I just don't get that feeling on FIFA
 
The response time is ruining it for me.
It takes the players 5 seconds to control a loose ball, by which time the opposition is all over you before the game registers that you're trying to kick the ball away, resulting in the player being out-muscled for the ball, often in the penalty area.
 
We've been through this Pogue, the FIFA brigade have had years of PES heads invading their space and cussing them down...they're just getting their slice of the pie..>As a convertee, I'm enjoying both slices

The large majority of people who are comparing Fifa favourably to Pro Evo here were among those "PES heads" at the time.
 
I actually bought my copy of PES 2009 on the day it was released, just like I had for every previous installment. I can remember the excitement I used to get when the demos were released, I even pre-ordered them and went down to my local GAME store to pick them up. I remember the excitement each year at the prospect of putting the discs into my PS2 and playing what was surely going to be the greatest football game ever made. I tried to muster that same enthusiasm for PES 2009, and very nearly did, although I really should have learnt my lesson from 2008 -- but I had hopes they would turn it around.... surely? For the first time in many years, I actually purchased a copy of the latest FIFA release, to see if that would quench my hunger for a football game that would keep my attention and enthrall me from the first play right up to the following year's release, just like it was in the old days.

Neither really did it for me however. Both undoubtedly had their qualities, but I've started to notice a worrying problem with the "evolution" of the football game: It just isn't fun anymore. Games are meant to be played for that very reason, and it seems that with the step up to the latest generation of consoles, games companies are seeking to attain that realism that is now possible. But I don't need a realistic football game; I have a genuine, real football and good mates to play with, and that's a lot more fun than twiddling some sticks on a pad with a game that tries to simulate that real game feeling.

When I play a game, I want it to take my mind off all the shit that's going on in my life; I want to wake up in the morning, go downstairs in my boxers, scratch my arse and play a fun game of football that makes me scream with joy at each goal I score and chuch my pad on the floor whenever I concede a goal. I don't want strategies, or balls that feel like you're kicking a rock around the pitch, even if all of that makes the experience more "realistic".

I downloaded the demo for FIFA 2010, and it's alright, a decent game but I know it won't keep me coming back all year. So I downloaded the demo for PES 2010, and since it was taking such an age to finish, I decided to give one of the older games a go, to see what nostalgic, child-like emotions I could conjure up, to see if it was as good as I had remembered: Did I really play PES 6 every day for a year? Did it really never leave my PS2? The first sign was when I opened up the case only to find it empty; the disc was still sitting in my old, dusty PS2, just where I had left it and where it had remained almost permanently since I first played it. So, being the lazy sod I am, I chose not to plug in the old beast and went instead for PES 5.

I got downstairs, inserted the disc and was welcomed with the old PlayStation 2 logo, then came the memories. The intro sequence featuring Kasabian's "Club Foot" was the first thing to get me pumped up, then came the title screen, with the voice-over that tells you exactly what you came to hear: You're playing "PRO! EVOLUTION! SOCCER! 5....." Well that got me all giddy again. So I played my first game, and feck me, it was amazing. Sure, the graphics are crap and there were occasions when my passes literally went in the opposite direction to where I'd told them to go, but what a FUN game. Is it realistic? Not a chance. Is it just like playing the real thing? No, and it's all the better for it. This isn't a football simulation and it doesn't intend to be, it's a computer game made for kids and big kids to chill out and simply enjoy.

Everything moved at about 10 times the speed of a real game, the ball pinged around the pitch like a bullet. You win possesion and find the ball at the feet of your defender, you look down and see on that little radar at the bottom that you have a red dot moving free down the wing, so you hold L1 and triangle to hit the most ridiculously sublime chipped throughball the world has ever seen, right into the path of your winger. In the blink of an eye you have seen off the danger and created a chance for yourself. So you get to the byline and fire a cross into the box....... Your striker rises and..... HOLY SHIT you hit the bar and it sounds like you've hit a plank of wood!! The ball falls to one of their players and you're racing back with all your might, those little men, Rimaldo and co. are doing all they can but the game is just moving too quickly and the oppositon get to your area and shoot. Your goalkeeper pulls off an incredible fingertip save he had no right to make and the action begins again, all at lightning speed.


Eventually I decided it was time to hit the sack and I quit the game, only to remember that my PES 2010 demo had finished downloading. So I installed it, had a quick look at the new tactics and the fancy screens and I played one half of a match, then turned off my PS3. I felt like I'd spent all afternoon playing the latest relase, then given one of the ageing copies a go for old time's sake, when in fact it was the other way around. Everything was so slow, it felt heavy and dare I say it, boring? What has happened to the game I used to love, that took up so much of my youth? I think for the first time since I can remember, I won't be buying either FIFA or PES. You can keep those debates over which is the best of the newest releases, it's like arguing the case for the newest model of a FORD or FIAT car, when you could just as easily be driving around in an Aston Martin DB9 that's been sitting in your garage gathering dust for the last few years. I'm going to stick with PES 5 this time, or if I can summon up the energy, I may just give PES 6 a try.

memorizing :)
 
I was a PES man myself, until about a month ago, now i realized fifa is a lot better, as painful as it may be you just have to open your eyes and give fifa a go, its so much more fluid and feels more real.... I was as much of a hardcore PES fan as the rest of you PES heads so its hard for me to say it but its true, get your head round the controls on fifa and soon enough you all will realize. I know it hurts to admit it but in the long run you will realize and then be disappointed that konami has let you/us down
 
The large majority of people who are comparing Fifa favourably to Pro Evo here were among those "PES heads" at the time.

exactly. I was one of them uptil last year. Anyone who loves the game and wanted to play the best and most realistic football game arou d would have wanted to play pes all those years. Now of those people those who have open minds and no real bias against FIFA, accept that it's thebest one out there by a mile.

Brad, did you play both last year? How does pes feel more like football than FIFA?
 
Fat bastard

I remember it being FIFA lovers desperate to declare their game was the best when it wasn't

I tend to play with inferior teams to keep it a competitive experience, and the last Pro Evo was a real good game for me. The problem is you're all playing as the top players, and they make them too good, its too easy to do things with them

I'm not changing anytime soon. I think both games stick to their core values. I feel like it resembles a game of football on PES. I just don't get that feeling on FIFA


That's a big big baseless assumption to make about most of the people here..

I've played online on the 360 with most FIFA 09 gamers here, AND also been in a league where most of the sides if I recall were the likes of Reading, Newcastle and other minnows.. Minnows from division 1 which aren't even included in PES 09/10!!
 
That's a big big baseless assumption to make about most of the people here..

I've played online on the 360 with most FIFA 09 gamers here, AND also been in a league where most of the sides if I recall were the likes of Reading, Newcastle and other minnows.. Minnows from division 1 which aren't even included in PES 09/10!!

Erm, is it?

Most play it for a couple of games, complain its too easy to take everyone on with the top players, and declare it shite

It was a very based assumption
 
Er. Just played the demo on the 360 and its shocking. Honestly, it is worse in every respect than PES6, except for improved graphics. In fact the players faces are better than FIFA, but that literally is the only thing even comparable with FIFA. The game play is atrocious, the player stance is embarrassing, passing is erratic, as is shooting, dribbling is boxy and horrible and the whole game just feels terrible to play.
 
I've been trying to play this over and over, in the hope that I'll get used to it and it won't seem crappy. However, the more I play it, the more I notice how rubbish it actually is. Then I try FIFA 09, and wow does the PES demo come no where close.

I've been a PES fan for a long time, I even refused to buy FIFA last year. But I know where my money will be going to this year; and its not to Konami.
 
I've been a PES fan all these years, and I didn't like Fifa 09 that much either (it was better than PES 2009 though) but for me FIFA 10 is going to be the one, it feels so much like real football it's unbelievable.
 
I've been trying to play this over and over, in the hope that I'll get used to it and it won't seem crappy. However, the more I play it, the more I notice how rubbish it actually is. Then I try FIFA 09, and wow does the PES demo come no where close.

I've been a PES fan for a long time, I even refused to buy FIFA last year. But I know where my money will be going to this year; and its not to Konami.

Do you mean FIFA10?

I've finally downloaded the PES demo and it's really not that bad. It's a big improvement on last year if only because they've got rid of that infuriating bug where your nearest player will suddenly do a sliding tackle and give away a free/pen without you pressing any buttons. That was the single biggest flaw in the game and doesn't happen any more. Tackling in general is better actually, the ref is less fussy and it's easier to slide in without giving away fouls.

Agree with comments about lack of responsiveness, which makes it annoyingly sluggish at times. Other than that, no major gripes and it looks fantastic, visually. Faces are eerily accurate. If they sort out the responsiveness issues by October it will be a decent to very good game and a big improvement on '09. If not, I won't be buying it.
 
Do you mean FIFA10?

I've finally downloaded the PES demo and it's really not that bad. It's a big improvement on last year if only because they've got rid of that infuriating bug where your nearest player will suddenly do a sliding tackle and give away a free/pen without you pressing any buttons. That was the single biggest flaw in the game and doesn't happen any more. Tackling in general is better actually, the ref is less fussy and it's easier to slide in without giving away fouls.

Agree with comments about lack of responsiveness, which makes it annoyingly sluggish at times. Other than that, no major gripes and it looks fantastic, visually. Faces are eerily accurate. If they sort out the responsiveness issues by October it will be a decent to very good game and a big improvement on '09. If not, I won't be buying it.

That was my biggest concern as well, also the erratic passing, which has been sorted out it looks like. I thought it was a solid demo, and we already know it will be improved upon.
 
Just out of interest, you lads who reckon its a decent demo, are you playing it on Xbox or Playstation?
 
Is PES finally back?



No.


What's happened is, Konami have actually recognized that Fifa has surpassed them and they can no longer rest on their laurels, so they have obviously redirected a lot more focus and resources on making PES the top dog again. They did leave it a bit long and have still got a lot of work to do, but then this demo is probably the July model and is going to improve even further. Either way, I'm still buying it.
 
I actually fired up PES09 for a quick game - having not played it at all for at least 9 months - while I was waiting for the derby to start yesterday and was shocked by how shite it was, in comparison to the PES10 demo. Bearing in mind I still enjoyed PES09 to an extent, I now have high hopes for the final build of PES10.

Interestingly enough, I opted for the traditional "United vs whoever we're playing on the day" tactic and won the game 4-3 with a last minute winner.
 
One of the things I've noticed in the demo is how easy it is to score long shots. Give it 3/4 of the power bar and a tap of triangle and they fly in.

Bit unrealistic, but it makes me feel talented, so I'll go along with it.
 
The triangle button? To shoot? What is this black magic you speak of?


Tapping triangle as the player's about to kick the ball/the power bar's up makes it more powerful.

Very handy for free kicks and corners too.
 
The large majority of people who are comparing Fifa favourably to Pro Evo here were among those "PES heads" at the time.

Yep.

One of my friends works over at the WENB (Winning Eleven/PES) forums and even he admits that FIFA is now the better, all-round game.
 
Reading the manual is a form of cheating. You might as well pump your player's full of e-roids. No wonder you repeatedly kicked my arse online.

I don't need no stinking manuals...

I've got a younger brother to keep me up-to-date.
 
Played the demo - don't really like the demo. However, I will still get the full game.

The gripes I have with the demo are things that can (and apparently have) been sorted to a large extent in the review code (which is 10% off final code).

Main issue is the response times - too slow, but they have been somewhat sorted for the review code.

Goalkeeper positioning is another gripe - but that will be sorted with Manual GK in the final version, so i can position the keeper myself.

With those two issues sorted, especially the response time, I think it will be a great game. From what I have played of the demo, there is a great game there, but a few niggles are holding it back.

Fingers crossed.
 
:lol:

Every year it's the same bollocks. Who cares which one is better?! Just play whichever one you enjoy more.

If you want a realistic game of football, you should go outside and play it.
 

You are boring Pogue and the biggest fanboy in this thread. We all loved the game back in the day but times change. It's loons like you which buy every PES title regardless of how shite it is just because you're too stubborn to enjoy a newer, different game thus lining Seabass' pockets and letting him think that it's ok to serve this dross year-in, year-out. Grow up man.

I've got no time for that sort of bollocks. Take off the PES-tinted glasses for 5 minutes and play the FIFA 2010 demo. It's sublime. :drool:
 
You are boring Pogue and the biggest fanboy in this thread. We all loved the game back in the day but times change. It's loons like you which buy every PES title regardless of how shite it is just because you're too stubborn to enjoy a newer, different game thus lining Seabass' pockets and letting him think that it's ok to serve this dross year-in, year-out. Grow up man.

I've got no time for that sort of bollocks. Take off the PES-tinted glasses for 5 minutes and play the FIFA 2010 demo. It's sublime. :drool:

I may be boring but at least I'm not the sad bastard repeatedly posting in a thread about a game I have no intention of buying trying to convince others to buy a different game.

If people want to hear about the magnificence of FIFA, they know exactly which thread to open to read the prolonged mutual masturbation by Mcfeckwit and his posse. If you could keep it out of this thread it would be very much appreciated.
 
I may be boring but at least I'm not the sad bastard repeatedly posting in a thread about a game I have no intention of buying trying to convince others to buy a different game.

If people want to hear about the magnificence of FIFA, they know exactly which thread to open to read the prolonged mutual masturbation by Mcfeckwit and his posse. If you could keep it out of this thread it would be very much appreciated.

Dear me, you truly are blinkered.

But you're right, I shouldn't keep going on about how crap it is. Everyone will realise on release day and wish they'd spent their 40 quid on something which actually represents the beautiful game rather than an arcade bout on rails.

...and don't tell me what I can and can't post. This is a discussion about PES 2010 and we're all entitled to our opinions.
 
Dear me, you truly are blinkered.

But you're right, I shouldn't keep going on about how crap it is. Everyone will realise on release day and wish they'd spent their 40 quid on something which actually represents the beautiful game rather than an arcade bout on rails.

...and don't tell me what I can and can't post. This is a discussion about PES 2010 and we're all entitled to our opinions.

Thank you.
 
Thank you.

No worries :)

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The FIFA community seems to have turned into something eerily similar to the Mac community now they have a reasonable number of people to talk about how horrible their lives had become with PES. One more reason why I'm going to buy PES 2010