Pes 2010

So all i've head against so far are graphical and liscencing. The reason why it scored less in the mag was for those reasons, I just want to know how it plays and in 2 player will it give me that PES excitement.
 
gambit28 said:
So all i've head against so far are graphical and liscencing. The reason why it scored less in the mag was for those reasons, I just want to know how it plays and in 2 player will it give me that PES excitement.
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Looks like it from that youtube video, but you wont know till the game comes out and you play it for yourself.

But judging from the video, its pretty much old pro evo with updated kits and teams. If you havent got used to Fifa yet it looks like it'll probably do for you. I suspect that even if its fun to play I'll still be wondering why they didnt try and put first touch control or a version of the finesse shot in, instead of the tactics fluff and europa league or the champions league last time round.
 
Guardian - PES 2010 – how could I ever have doubted you?

Impressions of PES 2010

Maybe it was the continued innovation of the online play, particularly the 10vs10, or the vastly improved feel of the action. Or perhaps it was the dubious pleasure in playing as Southampton - but FIFA 10 has certainly seduced me recently. And as a total package FIFA 10 is hard to beat. But after a weekend playing PES 2010 it has quickly became obvious that on the pitch – ultimately where it matters most, of course – PES simply plays the more satisfying and entertaining game of football.

The caveat here is that I haven't played online yet. Online play isn't live yet and probably won't be until the week of launch. For me this is crucial. Last year's appallingly convoluted offering – want to play 2vs2 with a friend on the same team? Good luck – really killed the game for me. Have Konami fixed it this year? We'll find out very soon. But if it is the same menu-ridden and laggy mess of last year then FIFA's siren call will become too much.

But on the pitch things are looking very very good indeed. Regular players will know how satisfying PES feels and 2010 is as blissfully expressive as ever. Aerial through balls are a particular delight but first time passes and accurately weighted crosses are all a joy. Le Tissier style 40-yard cross field passes are possible too and the game encourages and rewards you to try out new moves.

The 360 degree control – less heavily marketed here than it is with FIFA but a first for the series – makes a difference too. Initial discomfort soon gives way to a greater feel on the pitch, with plenty of room to improvise as you create space for a cross or shot.

The action feels slightly slower than 2009 but is still much faster than FIFA. A typical PES game is more akin to the recent 4-3 Manchester derby than the continentally paced FIFA. Yes, this is almost a complete reversal of historical trends. But FIFA 2001 – or whenever – goalfests were never this entertaining.

The game feels slightly easier though. I played on regular settings and won the Champions League easily – an 8-0 aggregate win over Man United was a highlight – by using simple tactics of through-balls and double-tap crosses. Whether this is ease is intentional – or maybe I'm better than I thought? - remains to be seen but regular players would be better off starting on at least professional level.

So what else? Well finally – finally! – Konami seems to have got the in-game presentation right. Licensed music and well designed and legible menu screens? Yup, it's a world away from PES of the past. The Champions League licence is central to the game and the menus give you all the encouragement you need to get started on your campaign. Maybe next year we'll get the Johnstones Paint Trophy too? Another nice touch is the muted celebrations from the crowd when you score away from home. The crowd noise generally seems more realistic too – I'm sure they cheered when I cleared a header off the line.

Then there is the Community mode, a new addition to the series. It is essentially a long term record of your results against friends. Great. But currently it is offline only and pointless for anyone old enough to live away from their mates.

So, 48 hours in and I'm thoroughly enjoying PES 2010. Yes, I'm crossing fingers that online is finally sorted, but when it comes to the basic on-pitch action there looks to be a clear winner. I ended my FIFA 10 review by saying PES had it all to do. Well, after a weekend with PES 2010 I'm very confident it has succeeded. Sorry to have doubted you old friend.
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PES 2010 – how could I ever have doubted you? | Technology | guardian.co.uk
 
Ekeke said:
Looks like it from that youtube video, but you wont know till the game comes out and you play it for yourself.

But judging from the video, its pretty much old pro evo with updated kits and teams. If you havent got used to Fifa yet it looks like it'll probably do for you. I suspect that even if its fun to play I'll still be wondering why they didnt try and put first touch control or a version of the finesse shot in, instead of the tactics fluff and europa league or the champions league last time round.
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I've tried the new FIFA and like all the previous versions it leaves me cold. Kind of like the Gran Tourismo games.
 
Ok, that Guardian review has got me officially excited now

I though the FIFA demo was quite good - the closest FIFA has ever come to nailing it - but I've heard from a lot of people that the frustrations grow the longer you play it. It sounds as though the opposite might be true of Pro Evo.

If they can sort out the online mode I'll be a very happy bunny indeed.
 
Ekeke said:
Not on 360 or Ps3 though. And if you're on about the pc version, its completely different to the console version.
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What? No it's not? That only goes for FIFA.

PES is a direct port and always has been, if I'm not mistaken.
 
I think Tesco is going to be the cheapest, or so I'm told.
 
Ekeke said:
Well, download the demo and compare it to the videos you can find on youtube of a next gen console version. Looks different to me.



Like this.
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I did and it was buggy as hell, little things like ai going wierd. Pc versions geneally you can change graphical detail and speed and things to get the best perfomance out of your machine. Where as with the console versions they just know what it will be doing.
 
gambit28 said:
I did and it was buggy as hell, little things like ai going wierd. Pc versions geneally you can change graphical detail and speed and things to get the best perfomance out of your machine. Where as with the console versions they just know what it will be doing.
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Well my pc is still a beast for games and the gameplay just seems slower than that video of the United match on the other page. And that console version is supposed to be slower than the demo release... Its faster than my demo on pc.
 
Plan M said:
Die hard PES fanboys only giving it an 89 is concerning, PSM has always bummed the PES franchise until now.

The ball looks and sounds like a heavy brick in that video - it just doesn't look realistic IMHO.

Also, WHY the feck do Konami persist with Mark Lawrenson?! I know it doesn't effect the gameplay in any way but he's a tit.

I love the graphics though, stunning! Pity the players run like tits. Also, still looks like they are stuck on rails - nothing groundbreaking here folks.
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The PSM review made no sense. They spent more time plugging Fifa than reveiwing PES. Then claim Fifa is great because it copied PES, whilst putting down PES for going back to its routes (erm...)

I don't want anything groundbreaking, I just want the old PES back. Sounds good to me so far. Though I'm pretty sure the exact same things were being said this time last year
 
Ekeke said:
Well my pc is still a beast for games and the gameplay just seems slower than that video of the United match on the other page. And that console version is supposed to be slower than the demo release... Its faster than my demo on pc.
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My gaming pc blows a ps3 out of the water and yes it was slow on that demo too but i don't believe thats what the final gameplay will be like.
 
This comes out next week?
 
Ekeke said:
Well my pc is still a beast for games and the gameplay just seems slower than that video of the United match on the other page. And that console version is supposed to be slower than the demo release... Its faster than my demo on pc.
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Different codes, the PS3 demo code is newer.

PES PC is always a pretty much direct clone of the PS3 version, and in no way a "completely different game" like you said - that's only the case with FIFA.
 
Ekeke said:
Looks like it from that youtube video, but you wont know till the game comes out and you play it for yourself.

But judging from the video, its pretty much old pro evo with updated kits and teams. If you havent got used to Fifa yet it looks like it'll probably do for you. I suspect that even if its fun to play I'll still be wondering why they didnt try and put first touch control or a version of the finesse shot in, instead of the tactics fluff and europa league or the champions league last time round.
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PES has always had this :wenger: I think it's RT on the xbox
 
Review

Well, it feels as though it's been a long wait. Over the past year there’s been build-up a plenty, with more preview code than we could shake a stick at, rumours, hearsay, and lots of promises made by Konami.

So what has a year of waiting given us? Well, I’m not going to beat about the bush and tease you with the whys and why nots before giving my opinion - I’ll simply say this. I think PES 2010 provides a very fun, very rewarding football experience, and one that I’d recommend to almost anybody.

But there’s so much more to it than just that. Delve deep and you discover the most polished and absorbing PES in years, one that’s without question the best we’ve seen appear on the next generation of consoles.

Load up 2010 for the first time and you’ll immediately notice the improvements in presentation, from the soundtrack to the player faces. We’ve all seen them by now, and while I’m not someone who typically cares that much about visuals in a game, there’s no doubting that Konami have put an extreme amount of time and care into making PES 2010, are you ready for it? The best looking football game we’ve seen. Ever.

The game moves along at a nice pace, partly due to the new turning animations, but partly by design. I can tell you that the pace is slower than that of PES 2009, and slightly slower again in comparison to the 2010 demo we got our hands on last month, so make of that what you will. I'm not personally certain what pace is perfect for a football game, on the one hand a slower speed is seen as more realistic, but in that you risk losing part of the fun. For now, I think 2010 has struck a nice balance.

Response time has also been greatly improved since the demo version, the dreaded “input lag” some users reported nowhere to be seen. The only time delay between pushing the button and the player making the movement comes from animations being given time to complete, but timing being the key to success is always something I've enjoyed about PES.

360-degree control is a feature that's been touted by some as revolutionary, but how has it made it to the final version? Well, players still run in what is essentially sixteen-directions-plus-change when running at pace, the limited options leading to the ability to sometimes predict the way a computer will respond in given situations. Playing with friends is different of course, as slowing the ball down to a walking pace speed gives higher ability to weave in and out to what approaches 360-degrees, but from personal experience the AI rarely decides to take this option.

The players themselves behave in a far more realistic and weighty manner than previously seen, hulking defenders such as John Terry and Carles Puyol able to bully attackers off the ball with ease. The trick, happily, lies in passing around good defenders. No players seem too overpowered, and it isn’t possible to fly through the whole team with someone like Lionel Messi or Fernando Torres. In fact, none of the cover box stars are particularly god like – a far cry from the years of Adriano scoring 50-yarders two or three times a match.

Master League has been one of the staples of the series for years, and it returns better than ever. As mentioned in our Master League play-through, the mode now features a host of upgrades including youth teams, sponsorship deals, staff, real currency and Europa League inclusion. It all results in a much greater immersive experience, and I'm certain that even fans of the mode who've drifted away over the years will be tempted back with the promise of all the juicy new options.

It should be said that the Master League improvements seem to have come at a price, however, as Become A Legend mode is practically the same venture as in PES 2009. It’s perhaps understandable in a year where Konami have focussed huge efforts on fixing several key issues, the important online experience to name but one.

I’ve previously said that the new penalty system doesn’t work properly, but after some extensive trial and error sessions I can now reveal how unfounded those complaints were. My only problem was that I didn’t understand how to effectively take them, but I’ve since honed my skills and now think they’re a darn sight better over previous games. I do have some issues with the way PES 2010 describes penalty taking in-game, it’s confusing and lacks real instruction, but once you understand the mechanics they become far more satisfying than the lotteries of yesteryear.

While I’ve mentioned the improved soundtrack, now featuring artists such as The Chemical Brothers and DJ Shadow, other areas of audio haven’t been similarly tweaked. The commentary by Jon Champion and Mark Lawrenson is past its sell-by-date and the chanting heard from the crowds isn’t the best. It’s a nice touch that the crowd now appropriately responds to action on the pitch, such as fouls and other appeals, but here's hoping Konami focus more efforts on the area as a whole next year.

There's a lot to be seen and tried in PES 2010, a lot to be seen and tried that we haven't really encountered before. Ultimately, it boils down to this. PES 2010 is a better package than 2009, 2008, or even PES6, and is an excellent return to form for the series. But you don’t have to take our word for all this, we decided to let two of the UK’s best PES players have the final word on 2010.

“One of the things that's been missing from the last few versions of PES is the feeling when playing for the first time that, although the game feels different, there’s a lot to learn and it’ll grow on you over time. That wasn’t there in PES 2008 or 2009 - it was too easy from the outset and offered nothing new to the table. For us, playing PES 2010 brought that feeling back, something we’ve not felt since playing PES6 for the first time.

The tactics, defending, shooting and passing are all improved, and while manual keeper being assigned to such awkward controls is frustrating and the goalkeeper AI can be questioned, it all adds up to the fact that the soul of PES has well and truly returned to the game.

The dribbling has been really improved, it’s great to know the ridiculous ‘running past the entire team’ ways have gone, and we think the slider tactics are fantastic. You really notice the difference after using them a while, and It’s something that will really make the following year a great one for PES Rankings competitions.

All in all, PES 2010 seems like a big advancement in the series, and we can’t wait to re-learn all that old magic when it’s released on the 23rd.

PES is back.”

This review was done using the Xbox 360 version of the game. For a Playstation 3 specific review, WENB will be covering that soon.

It should also be noted that some areas of the game have been deliberately omitted from this review. A look into other features will be made available in the coming days on PESFan.

At midnight we'll be giving you our thoughts on what you all want to know about - the online play.
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That review sounds promising. I probably won't go for it this year, but if Konami have got their arses into gear like it suggests then next years PES will hopefully be the year it get's back to it's best.
 
Domino said:
PES has always had this :wenger: I think it's RT on the xbox
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RT takes a slight amount of power off and puts it higher. You still hit it with your laces, you dont curl it into the bottom/top corner with your instep like finesse shot. It doesnt allow for cute efforts, just a bit more direction than the normal blast at goal.
 
Ekeke said:
RT takes a slight amount of power off and puts it higher. You still hit it with your laces, you dont curl it into the bottom/top corner with your instep like finesse shot. It doesnt allow for cute efforts, just a bit more direction than the normal blast at goal.
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Nope. You're wrong.
 
WeasteDevil said:
:lol:

I can't actually believe that you lot shell out 100 quid on this and FIFA every year. EA and Konami have got you all by the balls, it should be a 10 quid DLC package every year, they are laughing all the way to the bank.
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You can pay £50 and get both if you shop around.
 
WeasteDevil said:
:lol:

I can't actually believe that you lot shell out 100 quid on this and FIFA every year. EA and Konami have got you all by the balls, it should be a 10 quid DLC package every year, they are laughing all the way to the bank.
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The way I see it, the amount I play it, it's worth it to pay about €40 a year. I don't really play anything else apart from tennis on the PS3, and if PES is good it doesn't leave the disc drive for most of the year.
 
Brophs said:
The way I see it, the amount I play it, it's worth it to pay about €40 a year. I don't really play anything else apart from tennis on the PS3, and if PES is good it doesn't leave the disc drive for most of the year.
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Bingo. Buy a good footie game and you'll get hundreds of hours out of it.

Most other games, unless they have a superb online element (personally I'm not even into online gaming much, because of the sheer number of spastics), you'll get a max of 50 hours out of.

It's when you buy a shite footie game that you feel robbed, like people did with the last couple of PES titles. Looks like they may be back on track though.
 
WeasteDevil said:
:lol:

I can't actually believe that you lot shell out 100 quid on this and FIFA every year. EA and Konami have got you all by the balls, it should be a 10 quid DLC package every year, they are laughing all the way to the bank.
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Why did you quote my post?

I haven't bought Pro Evo for a couple of years now and I've never bought Fifa.
 
Some more reviews...

IGN
Improved graphics, streamlined tactical options and a relatively robust take on the series' winning formula ensure that this is the best PES yet, though it's not quite enough to topple FIFA from its well-earned perch. On the pitch it’s the same joyous game that’s won so many plaudits in the past, its fast-paced approach encouraging the sort of outlandish play that means nearly every match is a classic, and while this is some way off being the all-round package offered by EA, it’s probably the most fun way to play football with a controller available.

Overall: 8.7
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VideoGamer
At the end of the day, though, PES 2010 is simply not good enough to challenge FIFA's dominance. It's an improvement on last year's effort, and fans of the more arcadey virtual football will find plenty to enjoy, but as a simulation it pales in comparison. PES 2010 is a return to form, but it is not a return to past glories. PES fans that have crossed over to FIFA in recent years need not concern themselves with switching back. Perhaps it's best to use a real world analogy: if FIFA 10 is Manchester United, then PES 2010 is Aston Villa. Despite flashes of class, only one team is capable of winning the Premier League.

Overall: 7
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C&VG review is in and it' not good. These guys were the real pro evo nuts.
PES 2010 Review
7.8
Format Xbox 360
Developer Konami
Publisher Konami

15-Oct-2009 A disappointing result...

For years now EA has strived to bring FIFA up to the same standard as PES, often mimicking Konami's masterpiece or (ahem) 'borrowing' gameplay elements in the process. PES, meanwhile, has procrastinated, barely changing for each iteration until - finally - it finds the boot's on the other foot; FIFA's the champ and Konami are looking to EA for inspiration.

But while some of the Xbox World team (cough Pellett! cough) might be loving the current switcheroo, for those of us who have always obssessed over PES, this is painful to write. So what's gone wrong?

The most obvious thing is that the pace has been slowed down to make for a more ponderous, attritional kickabout. It may be more akin to the real thing but the game's better when the speed is slightly exaggerated and you can indulge in lightning quick counter attacks. Players are more evenly matched for speed, too, so attackers with genuine pace, such as Walcott, will struggle to shrug off the attentions of even the slowest defenders, making it tough to steal more than a yard.

Ah, but this means that you'll have to work harder to create space and pick your passes with more care, right? True. If only they hadn't messed with the through-ball and made it devastatingly ineffective. What was once your greatest weapon has been rendered mildly useful at best, and calamitous at worst. For the majority of the time, through-balls just don't seem to reach their intended target, either getting intercepted or simply not landing where you wanted them to. Perhaps we need another 40 games to shake off our PES 2009 habits, but it's a worry.

More concerns. It's tougher to control the ball when receiving a pass. Again it's a nod to a more realistic take on football where boots aren't tipped with superglue, but we found passes pinging off the intended recipient and straight to the opposition on an alarming number of occasions. And as for the 'keepers... They flap, they fail to claim, and they gift the opposition goals. Only the weakest of shots seem to stick in their paws.

There's been much shouting about the new 360 on-the-ball control for both FIFA and PES. Sorry PES, but FIFA beats you hands down on this too. You can really sense the difference in EA's game - unlike here. You'd be hard-pushed to tell the difference from last year and, if anything, shimmies and shuffles are harder to pull off.

Dammit, enough of the negativity, we're starting to sound like Alan Green. Retaining the age-old PES template means it's not all bad. Players are quicker to react than last year which, for anyone who played version 2009, will know is A Big Thing. If an attacking player loses the ball in a fair challenge, there's only a minor stumble before you can attempt to win it back. It helps sides add pressure in an attacking situation. Throw-ins have been reworked so there's no longer an invisible barrier around the recipient, which again helps you to maintain pressure on an opponent. Happily, the AI has been tweaked so that the defence holds its shape (right- and left-backs frequently went AWOL in 2009); and the level of tactical tweakery on offer has been enhanced and simplified via a series of sliders that adjust a given tactic.

Visually, it's fantastic. Get close up to the more famous kickballers in a replay and the likenesses are staggering. In fact there's an overall level of visual polish in all areas... although, alas, Champion's commentary and Lawro's punditry is still utter shite, even if crowds sound better). Shame you never get to appreciate it in the Wide view, eh?

In regard to game modes, it's largely as you were with a full Champions League to play through plus all the usual league, cup and quick match options. Master League has finally been reworked too. Whether it's enough to keep long-time PES players' eyes from wandering remains to be seen, but one thing is certain: Pro Evolution Football is no longer the champion.

Overview
Verdict
One step forward, two steps back. Konami have shot for realism, but sacrificed the fun.
Uppers
Looks fantastic
Reworked Master League
Downers
Lacks the thrills of 2009
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