Indecipherable nonsense after a soul crushing City loss in the CL. Is that you, Pep?
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Indecipherable nonsense after a soul crushing City loss in the CL. Is that you, Pep?
He was shit though. Ask any Barca fan and theyll tell you.
And i looked it up. FORTY THREE games unbeaten!!
Thats 2 average managers making history with Messi in the side, a treble and that run.
Nothing stacks up with your argument for Pep. They have been incredibley successful since hes left with a average managers, a piss poor transfer policy and disastsrous board.
I agree to disagree.
Indecipherable? You really need to go back to school if you found that sentence too intellectually taxing
Full pepo post match interview and presser
Indecipherable? You really need to go back to school if you found that sentence too intellectually taxing
Can’t talk, counting all the times in history United finished above City. Sorry, this will take a while.
Last time I checked you were posting about the fact that Pep hadn't won the champions league with City despite spending a lot of money. So you tell me what it has to do with anything...
Ah, finally, not bad! You’re getting better at this mate, keep going.
I've said plenty of times it's not so much they haven't won it, it's that they haven't even come close. All that money spent and in 4 years he's only got as far as Moyes did with us in his one season here.
And then you replied talking about how difficult it is to win the CL twice in a row for some reason....
Let’s just be friends. This debate is silly. I just tagged you in another thread, a video for some light relief.
It was mildly amusing but the wound is still too fresh to appreciate it.
Okay, I’ll stop now.
Agree
Has anyone tagged @adexkola yet?
Its not that simple though is it.
We both know thats not how it works at all... even remotely.
He inherited the 4th place team not champions, a team who narrowly beat the 5th place team on goal difference. Since then he's won 6 of 12 domestic trophies excluding Charity Shields. You can look at both clubs spending (the 4th and 5th place teams) and progress to see just how successful he's been compared to his counterparts.
The only managers who could have done the same with the same resources are probably named Ferguson, Klopp or Heynckes.
He has the highest win rate in the division history and is there another manager that can boast a cv with an average of 2 trophies per season currently?
Pellegrini + 700m would likely go about the same as Jose + 400m did for you guys. You only have to look inwards to see that big spending doesn't always see progress. Its takes big spending and a top manager.
Did you just say, including Charity Shields?
Stopped reading after that. Seriously. Get a grip, it’s a pre-season friendly.
I said excluding. 6 of the last 9 trophies.. somehow no better than Pelligrini..
If I included them his record would be crazy good.
Yeah ok, guess you were in the board room when he was negotiating the deal... Why bring a manager in the win the CL who failed in the job before hand.
He absolutely did have huge backing. Off the top of my head KDB, Sterling, Bony, Navas, Mangala, Fernando, Jovetic, Caballero, Roberts, Delph, Iheanacho, Negredo, Fernandinho, Otamendi*, Sagna
Off the top of my head the bolded were all deemed huge money deals except Roberts who was something like £12m spunked on a kid who was never gonna feature.
This is a guy who replaced Edin Dzeko with Wilf Bony at a financial loss I might add.. he was a nice bloke an ok manager but lets not be stupid and put him even in the same stratosphere as Pep, the fact he came from Malaga and ended up at West Ham shows he was never a top tier coach. Played some amazing attacking football at times but of all our managers since the takeover he's miles behind both Mancini and Pep.
I will absolutely agree Pep has been piss poor in the CL. I've said it many times. Going out to Spurs was probably the only acceptable one as the way it happened with the old hand ball goal and offside but shit happens. I've not said he's without question or doesn't deserve scrutiny but there is a massive difference between scrutiny and calling the guy a failure or comparing him to Pellers.
I feel like this is disingenuous. I understand that you are defending your team/coach, but this just isn’t a true reflection if events.
1. We all know what happened in Pellegrini’s final season and why they dropped down the league. That was not a true reflection of the talent in that squad. Although I agree with you that he isn’t a top manager.
2. He was never given the size of backing that Guardiola has had, in pure financial terms. No one has ever been given that luxury.
3. Guardiola had some top players (the majority of which have formed the spine of his team) before he came. There is nothing to be gained comparing them with where United were post-Moyes/Van Gaal
4. He had the whole club and structure being prepared for him for years behind the scenes. This is a massive point that needs some emphasis. This project was tailor made for him. Who has that in modern football?
5. He was heavily backed and spent far more than any other manager in the given time period. He has had advantages over every other manager every single season. A vastly superior squad than any rival.
6. League Cups are almost a given when you compare his vast resources and squad options to other teams. He has a massive advantage here.
7. He has been beaten three years in a row by inferior teams in the competition that he was brought in to win. Small, outsider teams. Not even big teams going through hard times.
8. What counts, when you spend as much as he has, are titles and Champions Leagues. He has won the PL on 50% of those occasions and has been embarrassed in the CL every year.
9. There are lots of top managers who could have achieved that. Perhaps not with the same dominance against inferior sides, but many would have won two titles and many more would have faired better at least once in the CL.
10. Most top managers would have gotten past Lyon tonight. It’s a massive failure and one bred out of the fact that he is too arrogant/stubborn to change his approach/keep it simple or it’s down to the fact that he doesn’t trust the very players he brought in.
What it is is average, and if he fails to win again next season, it’s a failure and he will be gone.
How can a manager whose got 198 points in 2 seasons and followed a domestic double with a treble be average. This season has been a disaster and he has played a big part in that, like I said he's not without fault but he's been far better than average. I think you guys were spoiled with Sir Alex. I've said many times I don't believe Pep is some football messiah, which is why I find the ridiculous expectations that follow him around crazy. He's simply one of the top managers with a very good squad.
His spending in comparison to other teams in the league is probably not as one sided as it was under Pellers. We spent 2-3 teams every other team every season under Pellers iirc, that hasn't happened under Pep. He's spent bigger number than Pellers but fees in general are bigger.
There is a huge middle ground between being Pellegrini and the standard some expect of Pep, the reality is he fits in there. Not all conquering but far above average. Piss poor in Europe though.
I find it funny when people beat him with that stick, he's constantly said he only wins because he's got the best team. He's pretty much said it his entire career.
Fek me I'd hire Pep in the blink of an eye if he was available and interested. Who cares about one game in this fantasy football of a non-season.
The point would stand cept it was 2 games vs Spurs and 2 games vs Monaco as well. His CL record at City in knockouts is poor. I wouldn't change him for any manager in world football thugh.
Meh. Winning Champion's League is no-one's god given right, no matter how good. It's a cup competition and anything can happen. Are City good enough to win CL? Yes. Who really cares about club football in empty stadiums in August? It's not the real deal, no matter how much fake fan noise they pipe through.
City are a plastic club run as the plaything of tyrants, but Pep (and Klopp) are the best managers in the world for my money.
I feel he has done exceptionally well. But his CL performance have just been really disappointing and if he quits today his time would be remembered fondly but there will always be a big question mark of how he never managed to get past qf after spending more than 600m. And one cannot change the fact that Pep has to take most of the blame for all those knock outs considering how silly his tactics were.
Pep has proven time and time again that he actually shits himself due to the opposition. He is a serial bottler. It’s all good and well playing beautiful attacking football, but when it comes to the crunch he craps himself and doesn’t trust his tactics.
He actually deployed a team today to counter a team 7th in the French league. Amazing.
If you watch the All or Nothing documentary, you’ll see how he’s crapping himself in the dressing room about Liverpools front 3 in their next game. He’s not even finished the game they are currently playing and he’s already staining his pants about the next game.
Been found out year after year against the best opposition.
He actually deployed a team today to counter a team 7th in the French league. Amazing.
If you watch the All or Nothing documentary, you’ll see how he’s crapping himself in the dressing room about Liverpools front 3 in their next game. He’s not even finished the game they are currently playing and he’s already staining his pants about the next game.
Been found out year after year against the best opposition.
This has been discussed in this thread in depth already but, no one is mocking him for no winning the CL.
It's the fact that he hasn't got close, and lost out to "inferior" sides more than once.
This was city’s and Peps greatest chance to win the tournament. And they blew it as usual against the weakest opponents they’ve had at this stage.
He has lost the league and the Champions.
Losing in quarterfinals again is a total failure.
Another manager training Bayern, Juve, Madrid, Barça or PSG would have already been fired.
Forgetting the money that has been spent and his style of play, it seems to have a problem getting the 100% of the players in those key moments.
If they want Guardiola to be their "Ferguson", to create an identity, to make advance the club from the base and all that, then he is perfect, he will survive without extreme demands, like Simeone
Losing in quarterfinals again is a total failure.
Another manager training Bayern, Juve, Madrid, Barça or PSG would have already been fired.
Forgetting the money that has been spent and his style of play, it seems to have a problem getting the 100% of the players in those key moments.
If they want Guardiola to be their "Ferguson", to create an identity, to make advance the club from the base and all that, then he is perfect, he will survive without extreme demands, like Simeone
Aging like a fine Bordeaux . Lots of streaw clutching in that article even before all this.
Much like the Kompany quad quotes
Monaco
Liverpool
Tottenham
Lyon
The teams to knock him out of the CL during his City reign. What a shitty list! If he had hair, he’d be looking back at his career, seeing those teams and pulling them out!
Liverpool
Tottenham
Lyon
The teams to knock him out of the CL during his City reign. What a shitty list! If he had hair, he’d be looking back at his career, seeing those teams and pulling them out!
I'll avoid replying to you from now on. Understanding an entire response isn't your strong suit if that's all you have taken from it.
Have always said that Guardiola was/is nothing special and just one of those managers who will only succeed in 1 or 2-team leagues or at cash-rich clubs. Guy's always been a fraud and is rightly getting called out for screwing up again. It looks like Klippety is the new media darling and no doubt City will just throw more money at their project. But with VinKom and Silva gone and others on the decline, they're going to have to shell out another fortune.
Oh by the way, feck off City!
Oh by the way, feck off City!
I still think that he is a great manager. He has won 2 UCL, 8 league titles and has 7 UCL semi-finals (which I believe is all-time high). All of this before he has turned 50.
UCL is a very hard competition. People act like no other great manager had troubles there. With Fergie, we were getting consistently schooled in UCL in the nineties against ‘farmer’s’ team and more or less lost every tie against a top team until 1999. And then we again lost every tie against a top team until 2008, having reached only 2 semis in meantime. Mourinho - another great manager - also has been crashing early more or less every year since he last won it. It is a very unforgivable tournament that is ridiculously hard to win (that is why only 2 managers ever have managed to win more than 3 titles, add another one if you count the old European cup).
And also, with regard to the league, sure he has the best team and financial backing, winning ‘only’ two league titles in four year and breaking the all-time points record. Again, Fergie had the best team and the highest financial backing until Abramovich bought Chelsea and he wasn’t winning the league every year. I guess he was a fraud too. If you don’t win the league or UCL every season, the Caf says that you are a loser.
UCL is a very hard competition. People act like no other great manager had troubles there. With Fergie, we were getting consistently schooled in UCL in the nineties against ‘farmer’s’ team and more or less lost every tie against a top team until 1999. And then we again lost every tie against a top team until 2008, having reached only 2 semis in meantime. Mourinho - another great manager - also has been crashing early more or less every year since he last won it. It is a very unforgivable tournament that is ridiculously hard to win (that is why only 2 managers ever have managed to win more than 3 titles, add another one if you count the old European cup).
And also, with regard to the league, sure he has the best team and financial backing, winning ‘only’ two league titles in four year and breaking the all-time points record. Again, Fergie had the best team and the highest financial backing until Abramovich bought Chelsea and he wasn’t winning the league every year. I guess he was a fraud too. If you don’t win the league or UCL every season, the Caf says that you are a loser.
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I really don't understand what the reasoning was behind that City setup.
Obviously don't follow City like their fans do, but I thought Gilberto Silva to be one of their better players, so surprised to see him on the bench instead of Mahrez or even Sterling.
And then there is this Garcia lad in defense I had heard of but I think never seen start for City, over Otamendi and Stones...
The formation change...
I'd ordinarily say it was just a manager getting his tactics wrong on the day, but it is just so wrong on so many levels that a manager without Pep's CV would have their credibility questioned and rightfully.
Obviously don't follow City like their fans do, but I thought Gilberto Silva to be one of their better players, so surprised to see him on the bench instead of Mahrez or even Sterling.
And then there is this Garcia lad in defense I had heard of but I think never seen start for City, over Otamendi and Stones...
The formation change...
I'd ordinarily say it was just a manager getting his tactics wrong on the day, but it is just so wrong on so many levels that a manager without Pep's CV would have their credibility questioned and rightfully.
I don't think they played too bad. If Sterling didn't miss the sitter, we wouldn't be having this conversation. He played the wrong formation, IMO.