Just relax, fella. I went fishing and you took the bait.
'Pep' Guardiola sack watch
- Thread starter Classical Mechanic
- Start date
Just relax, fella. I went fishing and you took the bait.
It's not just that they haven't won the CL with Pep. They've not even got anywhere near it. For the absolute obscene money they've spent both before Pep and especially after it's an incredible failure and City fans can make no excuses for him.
And being knocked out by the likes of Monaco, Spurs and Lyon? It's not even like it's the powerhouses of European football knocking them out.
Really pathetic actually.
And being knocked out by the likes of Monaco, Spurs and Lyon? It's not even like it's the powerhouses of European football knocking them out.
Really pathetic actually.
Pretty weird. He would probably thrash them if it was a pl game. But in cl, he always over complicates things
He also had all time greats in Xavi and Iniesta, plus some others who were at a level just below. He is like a Formula One driver who looks great driving the best car but can’t over-achieve with something less than perfect. He’s coming up for 12 years in management and I doubt it gets any better from here.
FA Cups and League Cups should be considered as achievements for managers of clubs such as Everton. Top clubs are judged on top trophies, this means leagues and Champions Leagues.
He does not have to win the quarduple every season but I do not know how 2 league wins in 4 with that spend can be seen as a success with a club that won 2 in 5 before him.
Is Pep’s career mirroring Mourinho’s?
He's not the only manager who's had Xavi and Iniesta at his disposal.
Yeah, I know what's his undoing. I probably didn't properly communicate what I meant. I can't quite understand why he would start overthinking like that whenever his teams go into a knockout tie. He clearly possesses a great football mind, he manages to completely destroy league opposition week in and week out, it took a remarkable Liverpool team coached by an even better football mind to stop him. Why is he so hell bent on fiddling in tournaments even against opposition that he would sweep away any given saturday afternooon?
Serious question, I didn't watch all their matches back then: Was Pep that way when he dominated with Barca? Did he fiddle with formations, but his team was able to compensate?
Just answring the question. Messi does have 4 CL wins here that arent recreated anywhere else.
In fact Bayerns 2 most dominating sides in recent tines have come before and after Pep as well.
They’re broadly similar achievements in my eyes. You can’t attach a massive level of kudos to league cups and FA Cups, they’re for stat padders.
Sad thing is I really can’t disagree.
Pep's "sack watch", Pep "can't get a semi". Seems Caf is more worried about Pep's other failures rather than his managerial ones.
Yeah, those managers have won World cups and multiple Euros off them as well.
Its tough to underplay Messi, Iniesta and Xavis successes as you are doing here. .
True, but that's a different argument from 'Pep failed at Bayern'.
Not yet, but he is losing his invincibility. I remember when Mourinho teams would rarely lose more than 3 games in a league and could defend. Pep lost 9 times in a league last season that’s probably more than all his spells at Bayern and Barca combined.
His tenure at Barcelona coincided with Spain winning all the big trophies and Xavi and Iniesta hitting their peaks. Also Puyol and Pique.
Or is he also the reason why Spain won Euro 2008? I am sure some will say yes.
Also, Barcelona won the Champions League both in 2006 and 2015 and did not need the biggest conjob in the history of refereeing to win it in those seasons.
He overthinks and tries to be clever too often in big games. I don’t think he’s confident enough to win the CL with City.
If City played there strongest 11 from the start they’d of won tonight. Lyon finished 7th in their own league.
If City played there strongest 11 from the start they’d of won tonight. Lyon finished 7th in their own league.
It helps when your B team are as good as any other team in the competition. Guaranteed domestic trophies without really having to give a ****
He kind of did. Its a style of football that has been torn up to what it was Pre Pep and theyre better for it.
He wasnt brought in to win leagues.
Yep, it’s the same trajectory. Pep peaked a long time ago.
I'm not underplaying those 3.
I think Messi is one of the 3 best players ever and the best player since Maradona easily.
I think Xavi is the best controlling midfielder ever.
I'm just saying that managers have had these players and didn't do what Pep did.
Of course the best players help, but you can't deny that they themselves also had their best seasons under Pep.
Spot on. It is the result of financial doping.
Pep's early CL success is working against him in this argument.
If he didn't win those leagues, you'd say he failed. He got to 3 semis in a row with Bayern. I don't think not winning the CL can be seen as failure when it's so hard to win the CL. Our own SAF only won twice.
It’s strange. The thing is, I bet if Pep came out and explained his thinking, it would sound impressive and make sense in theory. I’m sure he’d explain Lyon’s attack and why 3 at the back was the ideal system etc, but it seems he’s overlooking the knock-on effect and the ability to actually carry out that plan.
To be fair, he did play Foden as a false 9 against Madrid, and Jesus as a LW v Madrid in the first leg with someone else as a false 9 (de Bruyne? Can’t remember now) and if we lost we’d have heard the same narrative of overthinking, so there probably is a part of only pointing it out when it backfires, with his tweaks going under the radar otherwise.
Be interested to see if someone answers the Barca question.
The only reason he didn't go to at least one UCL final at Bayern is that Thomas Müller missed a penalty against Atléti and who knows what would have happened in the final against Real. You can't really hold that against him.
But those players have won, and dominated, under average managers.
Thats the point.
Feck me theyre winning league after league under the most average managers imaginable.
Thats perfect! A great word too. It’s just one facet of his problem though. He has bias in an assortment of other areas too and can never bring himself to be objective.
He is right though isn't he.
You had the first bite after I reeled you in with the dig about finishing above you for seven (7) consecutive years
Wonder how Ballbag manages to see the keyboard to type those tweets with his head so far up Pep's rectum.
He tinkered against Chelsea in the 2nd leg by playing Cuenca(only 16 appearances total for Barcelona in 3 years).
Though I still think it was a massive fluke Chelsea got past them.
Only other time he had to tinker to my memory was vs United in the final in Rome, but they had plenty of injuries then, so I wouldn't count that.
Especially when you look at the teams that City had to face on their runs to the respective finals as well
He has spent £700m and inherited Pellegrinis title winning team before that.
Pelligrini + £700m could've got you the same return of trophies as Pep.
Aye, it's dreadful. A fanboy in the guise of journalism. And he carved out lucrative niches for himself...
Since Sir Alex left we have also spent money like a drunken sailor. We've barely even qualified for Champions League let alone come close to winning it.
The Champions League is such a hard trophy to win. There's a reason why it's been so difficult to win it twice in a row.
Going by that logic, the only reason why he ever won the CL is that the referee in the Chelsea game in 09 had a mare and that Bendtner has no first touch (Arsenal 2011). He also went out tonight because Sterling missed an open goal.
It is often fine margins in those competitions, the fact of the matter is, he had three chances to reach the final with Bayern and failed. Not Sevilla, not Lyon, Bayern.
Hardly too impressive for a GOAT tier manager.
Well you can. He lost the first leg away with home dubious team selections that had them behind in the first place.
Plus Atleti got an away goal. Thats more damning, and impessive, than missing a pen.
Remember thw tie before that v Juve that Juve doninated and had a goal wrongly disallowed that would have effectively elimated Bayern before they played Atleti anyway?
It was pure chance he even got them that far.