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I have said this before, but United can’t be used as any bar for comparison. There has been severe mismanagement at United for years. They started off well behind, spent less (hidden City wages), had three managers with three different ideas and Woodward in charge of it all with no experience and no plan.
Guardiola had a club with already the best squad in the league, he spent more than anyone else (we don’t know the full extend of what payments were hidden), broke FFP, prepared especially for him YEARS before he eventually arrived and has not achieved that much more than those before him.
When Guardiola took over at Manchester City, that "best squad in the league" has all but reached its final legs (1) and needed a considerable rebuild, so most the money that was spent under Pep was to more or less replace that entire squad (2). Likewise it has to be said that for all the huge amounts of spending at City, the squad building & management was pretty poor during the Mancini/Pellegrini era to say the least (3). So if the Sheikh's where actually planning for Guardiola to arrive; other than getting KDB & Sterling, they did a pretty poor job of it.
(1) Why else is City finish behind Leicester, Arsenal & Tottenham the season before, as well as end up with the same number of points as United that season? All this despite spending money on both KDB & Sterling that season.
(2) By the 2018-2019 Season, only Kompany, Otamendi, Fernandinho, D.Silva & Aguero had remained from the Mancini/Pellegrini era. The rest had all left...
(3) As shown by their abject failure to properly build up their squads after winning the League in both 2012 & 2014.
Forget United as a gauge. Guardiola has EVERY conceivable advantage over every other team in the league, so much so, that they broke financial restrictions to make sure he ha a bench that no one else in the league could get close to.
To be fair, its pretty fair game to judge 2015-2016 Manchester City vs 2015-2016 Manchester United considering that both of them finished on the same number of points that season, despite the fact the Glazers & Woodwood where in charge of the latter.
Thus while Guardiola's Manchester has managed to dominate the Premier League (1), Manchester United have struggled to reach Top 4 across the next 4 seasons. Which shows the difference between £600 Million net spend (+ Kompany, Fernandinho, D.Silva & Aguero) vs £440 Million net spend.
(1) So much that one could argue that Begiristain's failure to properly replace Kompany & Otameni with Koulibaly & Skriniar played the biggest part in Liverpool winning the League.
What he has done is fine, but when you consider what was done to give him so much of an advantage, it’s an average return. One that many other managers could have achieved given the same privileges as he has had.
It's more of a reflection of todays Transfer Market that in an age where £80 Million is considered the bare minimum for good players (with £100+ million transfer values being very commonplace at this level & above), it has to take £600 Million (1) to assemble a squad to merely dominate English Football for 2-3 seasons. So if one wants to Dominate the Champions League as well, they will have to spend even more than that (2). Likewise (3), can anyone really say that the likes of Mourinho (Post-Real Madrid), Mancini, Pellegrini would have done any better had they have given £600 Million to spend between 2016-2019?
(1) Manchester City's 2016-2019 Transfer Spending + the Earlier Signings of KDB & Sterling.
(2) Since the only way to secure both a Domestic League & a Champions League (within a single season) in this day & age is by having the ability to form 2 Strong XI's out of your squad; Real Madrid had this the only time they won a European Double since the 1950s (back in 2017-2018), neither Manchester City under Pep nor Liverpool under Kloop have ever been in that position, hence their collective failure to win a European Double to date.
(3) I would argue that while Pep's European Record can be questioned (although as I stated earlier, its mainly due to the fact you cannot dominate both Domestically & in Europe without spending even more than £600 Million), the spending has very much been reflected in the amount of Domestic Success they have had under Pep.
Not a patch on Ferguson, and Klopp’s achievements in England belittle his own now too.
No manager in the history of the English Club game can ever be a patch on Fergie. But while it's fair to put Klopp on the same level as Pep; he has definately not surpassed him yet.