'Pep' Guardiola sack watch

I love at Ole but can we have Pep as United’s manager? Otherwise he simply needs to stay at City to prevent the scouse shite from winning more things. City aren’t going to get a manager better than him at managing those talented players
 
cyberman said:
They have lost as many games as we have this season
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Yeah but have been like 20 points ahead of us the whole season, I’m not denying they’ve dropped since last season but they’re not as bad as some are making out.
 
I wouldn't blame the guy for getting out of English football asap. Let's be honest, it's pretty crap compared to the leagues he's used to.
 
SATA said:
I love at Ole but can we have Pep as United’s manager? Otherwise he simply needs to stay at City to prevent the scouse shite from winning more things. City aren’t going to get a manager better than him at managing those talented players
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Pep would be amazing here for sure. Can't see it though. We are stuck with Ole for good or bad.
 
SATA said:
I love at Ole but can we have Pep as United’s manager? Otherwise he simply needs to stay at City to prevent the scouse shite from winning more things. City aren’t going to get a manager better than him at managing those talented players
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Ironically, we're probably better suited going forward than City if our players develop and we do good business in the transfer windows.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Doesn't matter. It's what you do with what you have (inside or outside the club) that matters. He took them from 4th place to the dominant team in England. He improved Sterling. Sane put in top seasons for him. Laporte was added. Silva was added. Otamendi and the likes actually produced title winning seasons. KDB and Silva put into a three man midfield that worked wonders. Jesus developed well.

Now I hope their current rut continues, and I think he's spent poorly on defence, but he's a top manager and his achievements thus far there have been excellent. People have this weird notion that an all time great manager is supposed to win the CL every two to four years.
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He is undoubtedly a good manager but he was given the best squad and more money to spend than anyone so to only win two titles out of four and continue to fail in Europe has not been good enough. If they win it this year it may have been worth it. If not, there are plenty of managers that could’ve won two titles in four years with that squad and money. They won two of the five titles prior to that so it’s only a slight improvement and there are plenty of better managers than Mancini and Pellegrini.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
You do realise that's pretty much what SAF used to manage as well ? I don't believe he's in the same category as SAF but even the best - SAF, Jose, Pep etc have done extremely well to have won a league every other year in this league. That was the record of the greatest so it's a fine fine return.

When SAF was dominating the PL he wasn't replicating it in Europe because it's not easy to win. Hence the 2 wins in his United career..
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If Ferguson had the spending power of Guardiola, he would have won a lot more. He got to two finals in three years with no real midfield. He proved he could challenge in the PL consistently without constant spending. He made do. He had backing, but he didn’t have a small country’s backing and spending was limited post-Ronaldo

Guardiola has no excuses. He has a small nation backing him and has spent an absolute fortune (50 million signing didn’t work, no problem, here’s another). Not to mention a club building round him years before he came. The expectation with that many advantages is that you win, which he has done 50% of the time.

This year he is 23 points off the pace with seven games to go. That’s unacceptable.
 
Now we will see what Pep is made of.
The last time he had a bad season in the league. He came back guns blazing.
I think he will stay and give it one more go with City.
 
DixieDean said:
I wouldn't blame the guy for getting out of English football asap. Let's be honest, it's pretty crap compared to the leagues he's used to.
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Yeah, it must be more fun in the ultra competitive German league, or being one of the top two who win everything in Spain.

He cant handle not having the best team. Simple as that.
 
TrustInOle said:
PSG need a CL, Pep needs another CL. Perfect fit i would say. Would be my guess for next move.
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Nah, I can't see that. All the people close to him said (Torrent recently) Italy is next for Pep and I believe them. However I don't see any option there for another 2 or 3 seasons.
 
And Fernandinho as CB... I'm not at that point where I try to convince myself he's great there yet. He's better than Stones but once City lose the ball he's as likely to do something stupid as Otamendi.
 
Maluco said:
If Ferguson had the spending power of Guardiola, he would have won a lot more. He got to two finals in three years with no real midfield. He proved he could challenge in the PL consistently without constant spending. He made do. He had backing, but he didn’t have a small country’s backing and spending was limited post-Ronaldo

Guardiola has no excuses. He has a small nation backing him and has spent an absolute fortune (50 million signing didn’t work, no problem, here’s another). Not to mention a club building round him years before he came. The expectation with that many advantages is that you win, which he has done 50% of the time.

This year he is 23 points off the pace with seven games to go. That’s unacceptable.
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3 CL in 4 years. Its remarkable looking back at it.
 
His teams play great football but does he really have any idea when it comes to buying players?
He has had an open cheque book at Citeh and he has wasted an absolute fortune on sh1t defenders and yet he only has one top striker at the club for quite a few years and I am sure that every time Aguero is out injured the fans must be angry about this.
 
Bondi77 said:
His teams play great football but does he really have any idea when it comes to buying players?
He has had an open cheque book at Citeh and he has wasted an absolute fortune on sh1t defenders and yet he only has one top striker at the club for quite a few years and I am sure that every time Aguero is out injured the fans must be angry about this.
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He is a head coach, that's the job of Begiristain that you are asking about.
 
Bondi77 said:
So you are saying that he has no input into who comes and goes from the club?
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No that's not what I said. You questioned whether he had an idea when it comes to buying players and I responded that he had a specialist next to him for that job, like most head coaches he has an input but they are generally not good at it which is why football clubs generally have someone else doing it. Guardiola probably has a theoretical idea about the type of player that he needs/wants but it's a different story to evaluate players that you have never coached and scouting them from afar, that's why a large amount of transfers are failure.
 
JPRouve said:
No that's not what I said. You questioned whether he had an idea when it comes to buying players and I responded that he had a specialist next to him for that job, like most head coaches he has an input but they are generally not good at it which is why football clubs generally have someone else doing it. Guardiola probably has a theoretical idea about the type of player that he needs/wants but it's a different story to evaluate players that you have never coached and scouting them from afar, that's why a large amount of transfers are failure.
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What?
I am fully aware that it is not Pep doing the wheeling and dealing but it would be Pep who is identifying his targets and instructing his people to get them and it would be Pep who is saying he does not need another striker.
We are talking about an elite coach here and I find it hard to believe he would risk his reputation on having players in his squad that he did not want in the first place.
 
If that City squad with Pep in charge and no European football (in theory/hopefully/please) can't steamroll the league next season it would be pretty pathetic.
 
Bondi77 said:
What?
I am fully aware that it is not Pep doing the wheeling and dealing but it would be Pep who is identifying his targets and instructing his people to get them and it would be Pep who is saying he does not need another striker.
We are talking about an elite coach here and I find it hard to believe he would risk his reputation on having players in his squad that he did not want in the first place.
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I'm not talking about the wheeling and dealing but the scouting and identifying who fits, who doesn't fit and the long term managerment of the squad. Head coaches are generally good at coaching their players and that's about it. The rest of what you say has nothing to do with purchasing players but evaluating his own team, he may overrate them or overrate his own abilties but it has little to do with purchasing players. As for the last point I don't really know why you bring it, who talked about players he did not want, it doesn't fit with your points?
 
JPRouve said:
I'm not talking about the wheeling and dealing but the scouting and identifying who fits, who doesn't fit and the long term managerment of the squad. Head coaches are generally good at coaching their players and that's about it. The rest of what you say has nothing to do with purchasing players but evaluating his own team, he may overrate them or overrate his own abilties but it has little to do with purchasing players. As for the last point I don't really know why you bring it, who talked about players he did not want, it doesn't fit with your points?
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My last point is simply that the only players he would want in his squad would be the ones he wanted not players that were given to him and told to coach by his staff. Obviously there were players already at the club that he likes and dislikes but any incomings I am sure they would be at his request.
 
Bondi77 said:
My last point is simply that the only players he would want in his squad would be the ones he wanted not players that were given to him and told to coach by his staff. Obviously there were players already at the club that he likes and dislikes but any incomings I am sure they would be at his request.
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You're assuming just because we're run like idiots, City must also run themselves like idiots.
 
Bondi77 said:
My last point is simply that the only players he would want in his squad would be the ones he wanted not players that were given to him and told to coach by his staff. Obviously there were players already at the club that he likes and dislikes but any incomings I am sure they would be at his request.
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Which again as a little to do with the question you first asked and the following explanation that you gave. In your second post you questioned his ability to judge his own players which is actually a good point but you somehow now want to go somewhere else.

To answer that point, I would say that there is a something in there in particular when it comes to strikers, he found himself short of quality strikers with Barcelona. He also maybe isn't good at judging them, iirc he barely used Sanchez upfront but had no issue using Fabregas which was weird at the time and even weirder today.
 
Skills said:
You're assuming just because we're run like idiots, City must also run themselves like idiots.
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Point you are making has merit but City aren't the best example for that they themselves have wasted quite a lot of money on failed transfer's it's actually genius of Guardiola that have prevented greater scrutiny on Begiristain and co.
 
gajender said:
Point you are making has merit but City aren't the best example for that they themselves have wasted quite a lot of money on failed transfer's it's actually genius of Guardiola that have prevented greater scrutiny on Begiristain and co.
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City have won titles under Pellegrini & Mancini too. They were never as dominant as under Pep though because he's just a much better coach than either of them.
 
Skills said:
City have won titles under Pellegrini & Mancini too. They were never as dominant as under Pep though because he's just a much better coach than either of them.
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That doesn't negate the fact that they have some serious misses in the market as well they aren't above the criticism at all.
 
gajender said:
That doesn't negate the fact that they have some serious misses in the market as well they aren't above the criticism at all.
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Everyone has serious misses most transfers tend to be failures.
 
JPRouve said:
Everyone has serious misses most transfers tend to be failures.
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Well I agree what I am saying is both the Coach and the Dof or whatever the structure above need to work in unison for teams to be successful and United has been found short on both counts . Guardiola is being underrated by some in this thread , transfer wise City haven't been that great but he found solutions most of the times to great effect and I have no doubt City would be up there again next season as long as City spend well .

Off course as you said most transfers fails but you have be ready to accept that and act accordingly to correct the situation.
 
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gajender said:
Well I agree what I am saying is both the Coach and the Dof or whatever the structure above need to work in unison for teams to be successful and United has been found short on both counts . Guardiola is being underrated by some in this thread , transfer wise City haven't been that great but he found solutions most of the times to great effect and I have no doubt City would be up there again next season as long as City spend well .

Off course as you said most transfers fails but you have be ready to accept that and act accordingly to correct the situation.
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not sure that he is underrated. Most seem to acknowledge that he is a top coach, who is doing well. Even with Citys squad, few manager would be able to reach 98/100 points. Thats insanely good.

On the flip side, City desperately wanted the CL and their record continues to be underwhelming. A round of 16 and two quarter finals, while getting knocked out by Monaco, Liverpool and Tottenham is quite bad. There is no way to sugarcoat this. His CL record with Bayern was also a mixed-bag. All will be forgotten if he manages to win it this season; the different format might help him.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
You do realise that's pretty much what SAF used to manage as well ? I don't believe he's in the same category as SAF but even the best - SAF, Jose, Pep etc have done extremely well to have won a league every other year in this league. That was the record of the greatest so it's a fine fine return.

When SAF was dominating the PL he wasn't replicating it in Europe because it's not easy to win. Hence the 2 wins in his United career..
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From 06-07 to 12-13 Sir Alex was 3 points short from winning 7 titles in a row. For 2 of his 4 seasons in English football Ped has got no where near the title.

Sir Alex built and rebuilt sides.
 
Web of Bissaka said:
After City, he will go to.. PSG ?

Either that or Serie A
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His relevance will suffer in either of those leagues. The only way Guardiola can effectively maintain relevance is to make a statement move. This would involve an extraprogenerated personal element, either moving to Madrid or Utd. Arsenal are a leftfield scream as well.
 
I’m surprised that Pep’s staying at City next season, I fully expected him to walk now that he has serious competition in the league - for all of his qualities we know he isn’t exactly a fighter. I guess the salary he’s on with Abu Dhabi is too much for him to walk away from?

I can’t see how he can overcome Klopp next season, especially since Klopp has his number in the head-to-head matches like nobody else has. My guess is another sabbatical after that, and then a fresh challenge with PSG or Juventus.
 
PedroMendez said:
All will be forgotten if he manages to win it this season
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Which is ridiculous. Sometimes I wonder why do some people even bother watching games. If the trophy count (and arguing about half baked narratives based on that metric) is all that matters, why even bother watching football? Just assign values to various trophies and devise algorithms that will determine the quality of a particular team or manager. Most of discussion about football is already on that level, why not make it more exact and scientific? Of course, everyone would have different set of intepretations, and goalposts would be constantly moved.
 
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Stocar said:
Which is ridiculous. Sometimes I wonder why do some people even bother watching games. If trophy count (and arguing about half baked narratives based on that metric) is all that matters, why even bother watching football? Just assign values to various trophies and devise algorithms that will determine the quality of a particular team or manager.
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Well it depends, are you one of those on here arguing against Guardiola's greatness because he's failed to win his 3rd league title in a row?
 
Web of Bissaka said:
After City, he will go to.. PSG ?

Either that or Serie A
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I wouldn't be surprised if he waits for Barcelona's elections and see if Laporta wins. In that case I could see City being gutted and Soriano, Begiristain and Guardiola comeback to Barcelona.
 
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